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[Anonymous]

I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

Yes, there is a lot of bad advice here. Very good chance of getting in with these scores, even RD OOS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

In state VA colleges have become more competitive every year, as privates hit 80k and some OOS publics are also very expensive (hi U of M!). Stats go up every year. Plus, the difference in admit rates is deceptive. In state applicants are self selecting. My kid is in FCPS and guidance counselors are good at steering kids towards realistic in state options. The won’t tell kids they can’t apply to UVA with a 4.0W, but they will be clear that the odds are not in their favor. Naviance makes it clear what stats get an unhooked kid in and many kids who might otherwise apply don’t because their GPA and SAT is a sea of red on Naviance. WM takes 33% in state, yes, but most kids applying are top 15% in competitive HSs. OOS is more likely to get kids who shotgun top schools and/or aren’t realistic about their chances.

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

High match in RD. Match for a boy in ED. WM really leans on ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?

A 4 for B would be reflected in the weighted GPA. Unweighted max is 4.0, so that would be a perfect GPA (but I am not OP).

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?

I'm OP. Yes, straight As from MCPS school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?

I'm OP. Yes, straight As from MCPS school.

Congrats to your kid, OP! And I am guessing he has significant rigor if weighted is 4.7 at a MoCo public. My hunch is he has BC Calc and a foreign language to boot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

NP and I don’t get it either. The OP’s kid has about the same stats as another poster’s (on a different thread) and most people were saying that kid has a good shot at Michigan. So surely these stats given OP’s son a strong shot at W&M?

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?

I'm OP. Yes, straight As from MCPS school.

Congrats to your kid, OP! And I am guessing he has significant rigor if weighted is 4.7 at a MoCo public. My hunch is he has BC Calc and a foreign language to boot.

OP’s son may have that, so no knock on him, but plenty of 4.0 students have the 4.0 precisely because they did not take BC calculus and AP world language. AP stat and honors Spanish give one’s gpa the same boost in MCPS as do BC calculus and Ap spanish!

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Anonymous wrote:Last year, W&M’s in state acceptance rate was 44% and out of state was 31%. Since you are in the W cluster, other kids definitely applied in the past, so check Naviance for the average. I don’t know what school the in state PPs are from but at my school, no one was rejected above the average lines (4.24 GPA/1360 SAT) and only 6 were waitlisted. Acceptance rate at the school was 38%.

Also it looks like, at my school, kids with GPAs above 4.24 and SAT below 1360 were MUCH more likely to be admitted than those with GPAs below 4.24 and SATs above 1360.

Hi, NP here. Is 4.24 weighted or unweighted? Can a kid get in with 2 B pluses at your school? And assuming you are Md public? Thanks for help.

Sorry I should have clarified I am in VA. Weighted with a .5 bump for honors and 1 bump for regular. My daughter actually has a 4.28 and it includes two Bs from MS. The rest are As (3 A-).

No need to apologize - I am grateful for the help. Does she not take many weighted classes? Thank you! What is 1 bump for regular? Do you mean AP? Though now that I know you are in Virginia, probably not as applicable to my OOS kid. . I am a W&M alum and really glad I got in a long time ago.

Yes, 1 point bump for AP. In her case, she had 8 APs and 1 DE that went into the 4.28 GPA, plus whatever honors classes were offered. Hope that helps bring context to the 4.42 average at her school.

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?

I'm OP. Yes, straight As from MCPS school.

This is just personal observation, but it seems like WM takes so many kids from NOVA publics and has so few OOS slots that they have higher standards from DC-MD kids than kids from other areas of the country. It’s like they don’t want to be a DMV majority/ regional school, and the NOVA part of that equation is not negotiable. They want to be a national U, so regional diversity plays a role. So a NY or CA (or Midwest!) kid may be more attractive than a MoCo kid. I don’t have numbers to back that up, but it tracks with what I’ve seen.

Remember, a WM class is 1600-1700 kids. Last year, they took 66 kids from MD. The whole state, not just MoCo.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/class-profile/

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

How many kids at that MoCo school have similar stats? When 20 to 30 percent of the class has 4.0 with rigor, then it becomes a less meaningful stat.

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

Yes, there is a lot of bad advice here. Very good chance of getting in with these scores, even RD OOS.

+1. Try to have him sign up and attend some of their virtual events. I think they have a virtual tour as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about the data on here. Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly). Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot? There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?

I'm OP. Yes, straight As from MCPS school.

This is just personal observation, but it seems like WM takes so many kids from NOVA publics and has so few OOS slots that they have higher standards from DC-MD kids than kids from other areas of the country. It’s like they don’t want to be a DMV majority/ regional school, and the NOVA part of that equation is not negotiable. They want to be a national U, so regional diversity plays a role. So a NY or CA (or Midwest!) kid may be more attractive than a MoCo kid. I don’t have numbers to back that up, but it tracks with what I’ve seen.

Remember, a WM class is 1600-1700 kids. Last year, they took 66 kids from MD. The whole state, not just MoCo.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/class-profile/

This makes sense to me (unforunately, as an MCPS parent). OP's stats seem good enough for OOS RD ... but maybe not from Maryland. Maybe yes from other less represented states. Ugh.