Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I have observed is it is because of educational deficits. They are just less and less likely to be college-educated.

Yes, this has been proven again and again.
Sad that they want to continue to be ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tesla is the largest EV maker in the world. Rather than celebrating this, Ds want to destroy Tesla because Elon likes to sh- post on Twitter. So I dont believe that Ds care as much as they claim about EVs or they would be focused on the actual performance of the company and not how they feel about Elon as a person.

- R and tesla driver, with another tesla on order

Nobody is out to destroy Tesla. Elon seems to be trying his best to do that on his own. Regardless Tesla is still selling fundamentally the same Model S after a decade, with some new bells and whistles. Meanwhile Kia/Hyundai is about to surpass Tesla in sales with a broader range of PHEV and EVs. And With a few years Toyota will lead the pack with next gen battery tech. To the credit of Tesla, it built a robust national supercharging system and has convinced people to buy its vehicles in spite of issues with parts and repairs. Tesla was also one of the first to figure out it could charge for technology upgrades ($200/mo for FSD) and remotely delete software and features. I happen to prefer cars with readily identifiable switches, buttons and knobs, as opposed to a giant tablet stuck to the middle of the dash, that seems to be the way the industry is moving for cost saving.

That interesting. Why do you like the knobs? I like the sleek look of an empty dash.

Anyway you cut it, we would not be where we are with solar or EVs without Elon. The reaction by the left to his products, because he wasnt ideologically aligned with the new left, has really caused me to question whether the left is serious about their supposed goals.

Meanwhile, I have stopped identifying as a center left person, and have invested hundreds of thousands into energy efficient home upgrades, tesla + another tesla. My only gas powered vehicle is my golf cart, because electric ones dont have enough range. So I spend about $10 in gas a month. I dont know any qanon adherents, but regular republicans that I know are always positive about tesla and never lecture me about his lack of orthodoxy.

[Anonymous]

Very few people give a sh1t about Musk, his politics or his antics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s something Liberals are for so they are automatically against. 95% of Conservstivism/MAGAism is just being against the Libs.

This is the correct answer.

Bingo!

[Anonymous]

Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) battery cells Are not a silver bullet to some utopian carbon neutral world.

Mining and manufacturing are still a net negative; but not as bad as oil drilling. The carbon footprint for the grid and generation side is a 100 year ROI.

Really, we can try but some serious gravity based propulsion system is probably a better ROI for the planet. For one, it helps get us off this planet which is really what it needs.

[Anonymous]

California admits it’s all stupidity

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/experts-say-significant-grid-investments-needed-to-phase-out-gas-powered-vehicles-in-california/?taid=630815085b2a660001ad49f1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

So your point is that you believe car ownership in itself is not justifiable? Let me guess, we should all be "cycling" to work because it seemed to work from what you saw on your trip to Amsterdam? Or relying on public transit "like my friends in Tokyo"? So you'd be fine with the heavy police activity necessary to make biking and public transit safe options for law abiding citizens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California admits it’s all stupidity

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/experts-say-significant-grid-investments-needed-to-phase-out-gas-powered-vehicles-in-california/?taid=630815085b2a660001ad49f1

So according to this article it is not possible to switch to all electric.

How many hydrogen cars exist today?

How does the safety of hydrogen and electric vehicles in crashes compare with standard cars? What is the fire risk? How many home fires have been caused by cars charging in garages?

Where does the electricity come to produce the hydrogen or charge the vehicles? Coal?

[Anonymous]

I don’t mind EVs but I hate how Biden is too stupid to realize Ford’s Jim Farley is producing their flagship EVs in Mexico with $3 hour labor — and as soon as the new EV credits passed Ford hiked the price of all their EVs by $8,000. So Ford is literally stealing all the subsidies, it’s not making EVs more affordable at all for low and middle class buyers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s something Liberals are for so they are automatically against. 95% of Conservstivism/MAGAism is just being against the Libs.

This is the correct answer.

Sadly it is. Tribalism. The left does it too to some extent, but at least has some discernible political principles other than being anti-MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

WTF kind of weird logic is that? No, using my own electricity is not “denying power to everyone else”. Where in the world do you get brainwashed like that?

By using electricity from the grid you are the one hurting all of us by contributing to global warming. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

So your point is that you believe car ownership in itself is not justifiable? Let me guess, we should all be "cycling" to work because it seemed to work from what you saw on your trip to Amsterdam? Or relying on public transit "like my friends in Tokyo"? So you'd be fine with the heavy police activity necessary to make biking and public transit safe options for law abiding citizens?

You’re replying to a nutty post with your own nuttery. You just built a giant straw man and turned it into a rant about bikes and public transport and weird thoughts about friends in Tokyo.

The reason we don’t have sensible energy policy in this country is because of the messed up critical thinking skills of our electorate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t mind EVs but I hate how Biden is too stupid to realize Ford’s Jim Farley is producing their flagship EVs in Mexico with $3 hour labor — and as soon as the new EV credits passed Ford hiked the price of all their EVs by $8,000. So Ford is literally stealing all the subsidies, it’s not making EVs more affordable at all for low and middle class buyers.

Ford just raised the price of the F-150 Lightning by $8,500 and the Mustang Mach E crossover SUV by $8,100. Mach E is built in Mexico. Congress and Biden didn’t make EVs cheaper for regular Americans, they just gave these corporate parasites billions of dollars. Ford is also firing 8,000 Michigan employees and will be shipping more EV manufacturing to Mexico.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40992822/2022-ford-mustang-mach-e-price-increase/

[Anonymous]

Give me a 5 minute charging station or battery change at every rest stop, and I might consider it. I have no interest in making the trip to Massachusetts 1-2 hours longer and/or running out of battery on I-95 in traffic.