Should MCPS be sued too?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give a serious answer to an unserious question - there are school districts that have failed so badly that they require state receivership. I don't know if Baltimore City PS is one of those systems, but MCPS certainly is not.

We're talking about a system that routinely produces National Merit Scholars, C-SPAN documentary winners, and Rogeneron winners.

Moreover, to build a case you need to show not just individual schools with issues, but an entire system. OP might not like the fact that kids get until the end of the quarter to submit assignments but it's not a secret corrupt rule - it's just the grading policy.

As for attendance, if OP's school is bad at taking attendance, that's a problem with OP's school, not the system. My kids' schools are fine.

I completely agree with this assessment. It may not look like it from your vantage point, OP, but MCPS is one of the best large school systems in the nation.
I certainly do not agree with everything they do, indeed I'm quite upset with a few of their directions, notably their discrimination against Asian students in magnet selection. But to be fair and objective, their overall instructional record is a very good one.

(Also, MCPS employs an army of highly-paid lawyers. Good luck going after them, as parents of special needs children have found out to their dismay... one of the things I don't like about MCPS!)

Oh, I know! Asian students only make up 60% of the magnet while making up 15% of the county population. It's so unfair!

It sounds like you would deny a child a magnet seat because of their skin color versus their qualifications?

Asians are more of a minority in Montgomery County and Maryland than Whites, Blacks, or Latino / Hispanics. Ever think that asians work hard to get into these programs because they know this? They're outnumbered in the workforce and won't get the job based on 'who you know' but only on sheer over-qualification? And you would deny a child that opportunity to learn?

Racist b.

If you work for MCPS, you need to be gone.

Then make it a IQ test.

Then make it an IQ test.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give a serious answer to an unserious question - there are school districts that have failed so badly that they require state receivership. I don't know if Baltimore City PS is one of those systems, but MCPS certainly is not.

We're talking about a system that routinely produces National Merit Scholars, C-SPAN documentary winners, and Rogeneron winners.

Moreover, to build a case you need to show not just individual schools with issues, but an entire system. OP might not like the fact that kids get until the end of the quarter to submit assignments but it's not a secret corrupt rule - it's just the grading policy.

As for attendance, if OP's school is bad at taking attendance, that's a problem with OP's school, not the system. My kids' schools are fine.

I completely agree with this assessment. It may not look like it from your vantage point, OP, but MCPS is one of the best large school systems in the nation.
I certainly do not agree with everything they do, indeed I'm quite upset with a few of their directions, notably their discrimination against Asian students in magnet selection. But to be fair and objective, their overall instructional record is a very good one.

(Also, MCPS employs an army of highly-paid lawyers. Good luck going after them, as parents of special needs children have found out to their dismay... one of the things I don't like about MCPS!)

Oh, I know! Asian students only make up 60% of the magnet while making up 15% of the county population. It's so unfair!

It sounds like you would deny a child a magnet seat because of their skin color versus their qualifications?

Asians are more of a minority in Montgomery County and Maryland than Whites, Blacks, or Latino / Hispanics. Ever think that asians work hard to get into these programs because they know this? They're outnumbered in the workforce and won't get the job based on 'who you know' but only on sheer over-qualification? And you would deny a child that opportunity to learn?

Racist b.

If you work for MCPS, you need to be gone.

Then make it a IQ test.

CogAT was a race-neutral, language-neutral, resource-neutral (e.g. money didn't provide an advantage), Nation-wide cognitive ability test.

MCPS dropped it in favor of the MAP (which favors kids with resources who get tutoring / instruction on the side and the reading portion favors native English speakers).

Why did they do that? Dunno, but if their goal was to give FARMS kids a chance, it backfired. Now FARMS kids are more screwed than ever imho.

Very true, my kids CogAT tutor only cost around $100/hour too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My brother never went to college. Not interested. He graduated in the top 1% of his HS class at a white/Asian smarty-pants high school.

At 19 he got his real estate license. Until he made it big in RE in his mid-20s he did landscaping and earned a very nice living designing yards and gardens. He just retired at 50.

No, college is definitely not necessary.

Love it: Policy by anecdote, FTW!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give a serious answer to an unserious question - there are school districts that have failed so badly that they require state receivership. I don't know if Baltimore City PS is one of those systems, but MCPS certainly is not.

We're talking about a system that routinely produces National Merit Scholars, C-SPAN documentary winners, and Rogeneron winners.

Moreover, to build a case you need to show not just individual schools with issues, but an entire system. OP might not like the fact that kids get until the end of the quarter to submit assignments but it's not a secret corrupt rule - it's just the grading policy.

As for attendance, if OP's school is bad at taking attendance, that's a problem with OP's school, not the system. My kids' schools are fine.

I completely agree with this assessment. It may not look like it from your vantage point, OP, but MCPS is one of the best large school systems in the nation.
I certainly do not agree with everything they do, indeed I'm quite upset with a few of their directions, notably their discrimination against Asian students in magnet selection. But to be fair and objective, their overall instructional record is a very good one.

(Also, MCPS employs an army of highly-paid lawyers. Good luck going after them, as parents of special needs children have found out to their dismay... one of the things I don't like about MCPS!)

Oh, I know! Asian students only make up 60% of the magnet while making up 15% of the county population. It's so unfair!

It sounds like you would deny a child a magnet seat because of their skin color versus their qualifications?

Asians are more of a minority in Montgomery County and Maryland than Whites, Blacks, or Latino / Hispanics. Ever think that asians work hard to get into these programs because they know this? They're outnumbered in the workforce and won't get the job based on 'who you know' but only on sheer over-qualification? And you would deny a child that opportunity to learn?

Racist b.

If you work for MCPS, you need to be gone.

Then make it a IQ test.

CogAT was a race-neutral, language-neutral, resource-neutral (e.g. money didn't provide an advantage), Nation-wide cognitive ability test.

MCPS dropped it in favor of the MAP (which favors kids with resources who get tutoring / instruction on the side and the reading portion favors native English speakers).

Why did they do that? Dunno, but if their goal was to give FARMS kids a chance, it backfired. Now FARMS kids are more screwed than ever imho.

Very true, my kids CogAT tutor only cost around $100/hour too.

Let me guess - your kid's scores stunk after taking CogAT multiple times, so you hired a tutor thinking it would help? Too funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Baltimore City Public Schools is being sued for defrauding tax payers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-crump-city-schools-suit-20220706-b3zaf3sn2vfcjdjzmvxqsfd5hm-story.html

Should MCPS also be sued? Attendance record keeping has been abysmal at my child’s school. Grades mean nothing and students received 50% for not doing assignments. The net result is that students are being denied a quality public education and students have gaps from the lower standards.

All the kids I know are doing great. Not sure what the problem is.

This kind of comment shows up on any thread that is critical to MCPS. What is your measure of "doing great?" Do you understand that in an environment of eroding standards and grade inflation, there will still be kids who are getting all As? Does this mean that they are receiving the education that they deserve? That public officials are using their stewardship over our children and our money in a way that produces the most benefit? It is naive and uninformed comments like this that enables poor leadership.

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Anonymous wrote:Baltimore City Public Schools is being sued for defrauding tax payers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-crump-city-schools-suit-20220706-b3zaf3sn2vfcjdjzmvxqsfd5hm-story.html

Should MCPS also be sued? Attendance record keeping has been abysmal at my child’s school. Grades mean nothing and students received 50% for not doing assignments. The net result is that students are being denied a quality public education and students have gaps from the lower standards.

All the kids I know are doing great. Not sure what the problem is.

This kind of comment shows up on any thread that is critical to MCPS. What is your measure of "doing great?" Do you understand that in an environment of eroding standards and grade inflation, there will still be kids who are getting all As? Does this mean that they are receiving the education that they deserve? That public officials are using their stewardship over our children and our money in a way that produces the most benefit? It is naive and uninformed comments like this that enables poor leadership.

It's because these criticisms don't ring true and run counter to most people's experience. If I were to guess, they're just more grassroots astroturfing for political purposes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give a serious answer to an unserious question - there are school districts that have failed so badly that they require state receivership. I don't know if Baltimore City PS is one of those systems, but MCPS certainly is not.

We're talking about a system that routinely produces National Merit Scholars, C-SPAN documentary winners, and Rogeneron winners.

Moreover, to build a case you need to show not just individual schools with issues, but an entire system. OP might not like the fact that kids get until the end of the quarter to submit assignments but it's not a secret corrupt rule - it's just the grading policy.

As for attendance, if OP's school is bad at taking attendance, that's a problem with OP's school, not the system. My kids' schools are fine.

I completely agree with this assessment. It may not look like it from your vantage point, OP, but MCPS is one of the best large school systems in the nation.
I certainly do not agree with everything they do, indeed I'm quite upset with a few of their directions, notably their discrimination against Asian students in magnet selection. But to be fair and objective, their overall instructional record is a very good one.

(Also, MCPS employs an army of highly-paid lawyers. Good luck going after them, as parents of special needs children have found out to their dismay... one of the things I don't like about MCPS!)

Oh, I know! Asian students only make up 60% of the magnet while making up 15% of the county population. It's so unfair!

It sounds like you would deny a child a magnet seat because of their skin color versus their qualifications?

Asians are more of a minority in Montgomery County and Maryland than Whites, Blacks, or Latino / Hispanics. Ever think that asians work hard to get into these programs because they know this? They're outnumbered in the workforce and won't get the job based on 'who you know' but only on sheer over-qualification? And you would deny a child that opportunity to learn?

Racist b.

If you work for MCPS, you need to be gone.

Then make it a IQ test.

CogAT was a race-neutral, language-neutral, resource-neutral (e.g. money didn't provide an advantage), Nation-wide cognitive ability test.

MCPS dropped it in favor of the MAP (which favors kids with resources who get tutoring / instruction on the side and the reading portion favors native English speakers).

Why did they do that? Dunno, but if their goal was to give FARMS kids a chance, it backfired. Now FARMS kids are more screwed than ever imho.

Very true, my kids CogAT tutor only cost around $100/hour too.

Let me guess - your kid's scores stunk after taking CogAT multiple times, so you hired a tutor thinking it would help? Too funny.

Yes, and both had perfect scores after a few months of tutoring.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give a serious answer to an unserious question - there are school districts that have failed so badly that they require state receivership. I don't know if Baltimore City PS is one of those systems, but MCPS certainly is not.

We're talking about a system that routinely produces National Merit Scholars, C-SPAN documentary winners, and Rogeneron winners.

Moreover, to build a case you need to show not just individual schools with issues, but an entire system. OP might not like the fact that kids get until the end of the quarter to submit assignments but it's not a secret corrupt rule - it's just the grading policy.

As for attendance, if OP's school is bad at taking attendance, that's a problem with OP's school, not the system. My kids' schools are fine.

I completely agree with this assessment. It may not look like it from your vantage point, OP, but MCPS is one of the best large school systems in the nation.
I certainly do not agree with everything they do, indeed I'm quite upset with a few of their directions, notably their discrimination against Asian students in magnet selection. But to be fair and objective, their overall instructional record is a very good one.

(Also, MCPS employs an army of highly-paid lawyers. Good luck going after them, as parents of special needs children have found out to their dismay... one of the things I don't like about MCPS!)

Oh, I know! Asian students only make up 60% of the magnet while making up 15% of the county population. It's so unfair!

It sounds like you would deny a child a magnet seat because of their skin color versus their qualifications?

Asians are more of a minority in Montgomery County and Maryland than Whites, Blacks, or Latino / Hispanics. Ever think that asians work hard to get into these programs because they know this? They're outnumbered in the workforce and won't get the job based on 'who you know' but only on sheer over-qualification? And you would deny a child that opportunity to learn?

Racist b.

If you work for MCPS, you need to be gone.

Then make it a IQ test.

CogAT was a race-neutral, language-neutral, resource-neutral (e.g. money didn't provide an advantage), Nation-wide cognitive ability test.

MCPS dropped it in favor of the MAP (which favors kids with resources who get tutoring / instruction on the side and the reading portion favors native English speakers).

Why did they do that? Dunno, but if their goal was to give FARMS kids a chance, it backfired. Now FARMS kids are more screwed than ever imho.

Very true, my kids CogAT tutor only cost around $100/hour too.

Let me guess - your kid's scores stunk after taking CogAT multiple times, so you hired a tutor thinking it would help? Too funny.

Yes, and both had perfect scores after a few months of tutoring.

Really? That must be amazing! Please post the tutor's name or contact info. Unless you're lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When someone digs a little deeper, the MCPS skeletons will be uncovered. The achievement gap between special populations have plagued MCPS for decades.

I have no idea what you mean by "special" populations, but to get back on to why Baltimore is being sued and why comparing their system to MCPS is silly, to say the least, here is an elucidating tidbit about the lawsuit:

"The Patterns claim that the local education system has a record of poor academic performance, as well as a “pattern” of enrollment and grading scandals.

Marder noted that a recent Maryland state audit found that Baltimore schools had changed more than 12,500 students’ grades from “failing” to “passing” without any apparent reason or rationale."

https://www.legalreader.com/benjamin-crump-lawsuit-baltimore-schools/

I know of nothing like this going on at MCPS.

Something like this *could* happen in the near future if the stats keep tumbling downward while the push to increase minority rates in gifted and magnet programs becomes restive.

The pilot program to put everyone in honors classes this past freshman year will be something to keep on on for next year. If the results do not come out how people want them to be, will they manipulate the statistics to fit their expectation while hiding it from the public? If the graduation rates decline, will they suddenly start passing students with failing grades?

We'll find out.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give a serious answer to an unserious question - there are school districts that have failed so badly that they require state receivership. I don't know if Baltimore City PS is one of those systems, but MCPS certainly is not.

We're talking about a system that routinely produces National Merit Scholars, C-SPAN documentary winners, and Rogeneron winners.

Moreover, to build a case you need to show not just individual schools with issues, but an entire system. OP might not like the fact that kids get until the end of the quarter to submit assignments but it's not a secret corrupt rule - it's just the grading policy.

As for attendance, if OP's school is bad at taking attendance, that's a problem with OP's school, not the system. My kids' schools are fine.

I completely agree with this assessment. It may not look like it from your vantage point, OP, but MCPS is one of the best large school systems in the nation.
I certainly do not agree with everything they do, indeed I'm quite upset with a few of their directions, notably their discrimination against Asian students in magnet selection. But to be fair and objective, their overall instructional record is a very good one.

(Also, MCPS employs an army of highly-paid lawyers. Good luck going after them, as parents of special needs children have found out to their dismay... one of the things I don't like about MCPS!)

Oh, I know! Asian students only make up 60% of the magnet while making up 15% of the county population. It's so unfair!

It sounds like you would deny a child a magnet seat because of their skin color versus their qualifications?

Asians are more of a minority in Montgomery County and Maryland than Whites, Blacks, or Latino / Hispanics. Ever think that asians work hard to get into these programs because they know this? They're outnumbered in the workforce and won't get the job based on 'who you know' but only on sheer over-qualification? And you would deny a child that opportunity to learn?

Racist b.

If you work for MCPS, you need to be gone.

Then make it a IQ test.

CogAT was a race-neutral, language-neutral, resource-neutral (e.g. money didn't provide an advantage), Nation-wide cognitive ability test.

MCPS dropped it in favor of the MAP (which favors kids with resources who get tutoring / instruction on the side and the reading portion favors native English speakers).

Why did they do that? Dunno, but if their goal was to give FARMS kids a chance, it backfired. Now FARMS kids are more screwed than ever imho.

Very true, my kids CogAT tutor only cost around $100/hour too.

Let me guess - your kid's scores stunk after taking CogAT multiple times, so you hired a tutor thinking it would help? Too funny.

Yes, and both had perfect scores after a few months of tutoring.

Really? That must be amazing! Please post the tutor's name or contact info. Unless you're lying.

I can't post their info on this forum but you should be able find a strong tutor for this too. Learning the test format, timing and types of question will substantially improve their scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Baltimore City Public Schools is being sued for defrauding tax payers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-crump-city-schools-suit-20220706-b3zaf3sn2vfcjdjzmvxqsfd5hm-story.html

Should MCPS also be sued? Attendance record keeping has been abysmal at my child’s school. Grades mean nothing and students received 50% for not doing assignments. The net result is that students are being denied a quality public education and students have gaps from the lower standards.

All the kids I know are doing great. Not sure what the problem is.

This kind of comment shows up on any thread that is critical to MCPS. What is your measure of "doing great?" Do you understand that in an environment of eroding standards and grade inflation, there will still be kids who are getting all As? Does this mean that they are receiving the education that they deserve? That public officials are using their stewardship over our children and our money in a way that produces the most benefit? It is naive and uninformed comments like this that enables poor leadership.

My kids are doing great too. It's not just straight A's but far above the 99% on standardized tests. COVID didn't impact them at all as far as I can tell, but they were engaged in DL while many of their friends played games all day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Baltimore City Public Schools is being sued for defrauding tax payers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-crump-city-schools-suit-20220706-b3zaf3sn2vfcjdjzmvxqsfd5hm-story.html

Should MCPS also be sued? Attendance record keeping has been abysmal at my child’s school. Grades mean nothing and students received 50% for not doing assignments. The net result is that students are being denied a quality public education and students have gaps from the lower standards.

All the kids I know are doing great. Not sure what the problem is.

This kind of comment shows up on any thread that is critical to MCPS. What is your measure of "doing great?" Do you understand that in an environment of eroding standards and grade inflation, there will still be kids who are getting all As? Does this mean that they are receiving the education that they deserve? That public officials are using their stewardship over our children and our money in a way that produces the most benefit? It is naive and uninformed comments like this that enables poor leadership.

My kids are doing great too. It's not just straight A's but far above the 99% on standardized tests. COVID didn't impact them at all as far as I can tell, but they were engaged in DL while many of their friends played games all day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Baltimore City Public Schools is being sued for defrauding tax payers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-crump-city-schools-suit-20220706-b3zaf3sn2vfcjdjzmvxqsfd5hm-story.html

Should MCPS also be sued? Attendance record keeping has been abysmal at my child’s school. Grades mean nothing and students received 50% for not doing assignments. The net result is that students are being denied a quality public education and students have gaps from the lower standards.

All the kids I know are doing great. Not sure what the problem is.

This kind of comment shows up on any thread that is critical to MCPS. What is your measure of "doing great?" Do you understand that in an environment of eroding standards and grade inflation, there will still be kids who are getting all As? Does this mean that they are receiving the education that they deserve? That public officials are using their stewardship over our children and our money in a way that produces the most benefit? It is naive and uninformed comments like this that enables poor leadership.

My kids are doing great too. It's not just straight A's but far above the 99% on standardized tests. COVID didn't impact them at all as far as I can tell, but they were engaged in DL while many of their friends played games all day.

This is true. We know many kids who are gifted and academic oriented have not shown any negative impact and they were right back on the trajectory when they went back in person closing the year very strong. Unfortunately the secretive and discriminatory admission to magnet programs are going to put them at disadvantage. Many are moving to Urbana and Ellicott City for FCPS and HCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Baltimore City Public Schools is being sued for defrauding tax payers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-crump-city-schools-suit-20220706-b3zaf3sn2vfcjdjzmvxqsfd5hm-story.html

Should MCPS also be sued? Attendance record keeping has been abysmal at my child’s school. Grades mean nothing and students received 50% for not doing assignments. The net result is that students are being denied a quality public education and students have gaps from the lower standards.

All the kids I know are doing great. Not sure what the problem is.

This kind of comment shows up on any thread that is critical to MCPS. What is your measure of "doing great?" Do you understand that in an environment of eroding standards and grade inflation, there will still be kids who are getting all As? Does this mean that they are receiving the education that they deserve? That public officials are using their stewardship over our children and our money in a way that produces the most benefit? It is naive and uninformed comments like this that enables poor leadership.

My kids are doing great too. It's not just straight A's but far above the 99% on standardized tests. COVID didn't impact them at all as far as I can tell, but they were engaged in DL while many of their friends played games all day.

This is true. We know many kids who are gifted and academic oriented have not shown any negative impact and they were right back on the trajectory when they went back in person closing the year very strong. Unfortunately the secretive and discriminatory admission to magnet programs are going to put them at disadvantage. Many are moving to Urbana and Ellicott City for FCPS and HCPS.

Admissions to magnet programs is currently done by lottery which by its nature isn't secretive or discriminatory. It's random.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Baltimore City Public Schools is being sued for defrauding tax payers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-crump-city-schools-suit-20220706-b3zaf3sn2vfcjdjzmvxqsfd5hm-story.html

Should MCPS also be sued? Attendance record keeping has been abysmal at my child’s school. Grades mean nothing and students received 50% for not doing assignments. The net result is that students are being denied a quality public education and students have gaps from the lower standards.

All the kids I know are doing great. Not sure what the problem is.

This kind of comment shows up on any thread that is critical to MCPS. What is your measure of "doing great?" Do you understand that in an environment of eroding standards and grade inflation, there will still be kids who are getting all As? Does this mean that they are receiving the education that they deserve? That public officials are using their stewardship over our children and our money in a way that produces the most benefit? It is naive and uninformed comments like this that enables poor leadership.

My kids are doing great too. It's not just straight A's but far above the 99% on standardized tests. COVID didn't impact them at all as far as I can tell, but they were engaged in DL while many of their friends played games all day.

This is true. We know many kids who are gifted and academic oriented have not shown any negative impact and they were right back on the trajectory when they went back in person closing the year very strong. Unfortunately the secretive and discriminatory admission to magnet programs are going to put them at disadvantage. Many are moving to Urbana and Ellicott City for FCPS and HCPS.

Admissions to magnet programs is currently done by lottery which by its nature isn't secretive or discriminatory. It's random.

So you say. MCPS never released their methods.

But, it does help protect them against future lawsuits, since they could pick favorites and no one would be the wiser, at least until an insider gets disgruntled and squeals. It's not like Maryland prosecutes those types of crimes, right?