Teens nearly kill Petworth dad because he says they can't use his b-ball hoop after 930pm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Classic DC:

While MPD showed up quickly, the responding officers told the couple they shouldn’t have spoken to the teens, but called MPD to remove them.

“The last thing we wanted to do was to call the police on four Black kids playing basketball in an alley,” Jane said. “My husband had already spoken to them, had set up the net for them. Everything seemed fine. Then this attack happened… it just seems so ruthless to attack him, leave him bleeding on the ground as they calmly walked away.”

“But once I was calmed down and with my children and really thought about what happened, it seems like one person snapping in so irrational way — it wasn't a planned crime — it was a crazy moment in time. It seems too specific to be scared of it happening again. I hate the idea that we will worry more and feel less comfortable,” she said.


Wow I wonder how she will feel when it's one of her kids who is attacked. Will she still be a good little liberal? People like this are really disturbing.

Well but I think she means she didn’t want to call the police on them before the attack which o wouldn’t want to either! In retrospect, yes, at least the older kids were either very disturbed or budding sociopaths but she’s taking abt not calling when they seemed to be kids who had lost track of time which is perfectly normal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

No one has any idea. Incapacitation through incarceration is the only thing that can reliably prevent crimes committed by offenders that have demonstrated this kind of capacity for violence, and that approach is off-the-table due to left-wing objections to the “carceral” state. Deincarceration is more important to them than public safety, and in places like the District that faction holds the power and is not going anywhere. Watch your own back because nobody else is.

This sums it up. Coupled with the next generation’s desire to be social justice activists on all fronts all the time, and schools like John Jay teaching this sort of compassionate reform criminal justice and spitting out folks who just don’t want to take tough on crime approaches to the issue…I just don’t know where we will be for the foreseeable future until it gets so bad that the city of forced to crack down.

I’m so sick of poorly informed folks just wanting to “toss more money and programs” at this issue when clearly over the decades those billions having been spent on them have not had a measurable impact on recidivism. It’s like you’re supposed to self flagellate and compromise your own safety because some people don’t know how to act.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

You set up basketball hoops so they have a safe place to place nicely ... oh wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

Crime has gone up since progressive criminal justice policies have begun to be enacted, whether a it’s realigning police forces, passing the youth rehab act, allowing teens leniency in dc, shoplifting raised to $1000 in California spurring organized teen theft of malls, liberal DAs have begun to stop prosecuting. Violent crime is up 57% in Dc and murders are up 25% this year, and it’s not all Covid to blame. The attlanric has an article that tough on crime policing in NY definitely stopped crime, but it also was hard on families. Jail is a better deterrence than lenience and that article explains it all.

So you’re assertion that jail doesn’t serve as a better tool than the increasing easing of rules is fallacious. And your amorphous, intangible goal of preventing “teens to where there value all human life” is noting but a useless platitude. Jail works. It fking works.

Crime is up since COVID messed with peoples brains, time, and finances.

Governments have been putting people in jail, heck, they've been killing suspects, since forever, and we still have crime. Jail is after the fact. Yes, we need that consequence, but it isn't prevention and never has been.

[Anonymous]

When I was a little girl in DC (the 80s) there was constant speculation in the schoolyard of who would "jump" who on the way to school. Like it was an inevitable and somewhat delicious source of speculation. This was elementary school and I found it absolutely terrifying. A youth culture that glorifies smackdowns or finds them entertaining is a culture that normalizes violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

Crime has gone up since progressive criminal justice policies have begun to be enacted, whether a it’s realigning police forces, passing the youth rehab act, allowing teens leniency in dc, shoplifting raised to $1000 in California spurring organized teen theft of malls, liberal DAs have begun to stop prosecuting. Violent crime is up 57% in Dc and murders are up 25% this year, and it’s not all Covid to blame. The attlanric has an article that tough on crime policing in NY definitely stopped crime, but it also was hard on families. Jail is a better deterrence than lenience and that article explains it all.

So you’re assertion that jail doesn’t serve as a better tool than the increasing easing of rules is fallacious. And your amorphous, intangible goal of preventing “teens to where there value all human life” is noting but a useless platitude. Jail works. It fking works.

Crime is up since COVID messed with peoples brains, time, and finances.

Governments have been putting people in jail, heck, they've been killing suspects, since forever, and we still have crime. Jail is after the fact. Yes, we need that consequence, but it isn't prevention and never has been.

Because your approach to just not prosecuting or incarcerating is such a better deterrent. Maybe you should cook these criminals while they rob your house. Or thank them profusely as they punch you in the face. You didn’t need that IPhone, right? That’s so generous of you. Your novel model of surrendering your dignity and safety is going to serve you well in the mid terms. I know it works in DC, where Charles Allen blames the city and everyone else except the criminals, but nationwide most people can see it’s batsht masochism.

[Anonymous]

Do we need a metropolitan crime board? Half the local politics threads are about crime--maybe it deserves it's own space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

Crime has gone up since progressive criminal justice policies have begun to be enacted, whether a it’s realigning police forces, passing the youth rehab act, allowing teens leniency in dc, shoplifting raised to $1000 in California spurring organized teen theft of malls, liberal DAs have begun to stop prosecuting. Violent crime is up 57% in Dc and murders are up 25% this year, and it’s not all Covid to blame. The attlanric has an article that tough on crime policing in NY definitely stopped crime, but it also was hard on families. Jail is a better deterrence than lenience and that article explains it all.

So you’re assertion that jail doesn’t serve as a better tool than the increasing easing of rules is fallacious. And your amorphous, intangible goal of preventing “teens to where there value all human life” is noting but a useless platitude. Jail works. It fking works.

Crime is up since COVID messed with peoples brains, time, and finances.

Governments have been putting people in jail, heck, they've been killing suspects, since forever, and we still have crime. Jail is after the fact. Yes, we need that consequence, but it isn't prevention and never has been.

Because your approach to just not prosecuting or incarcerating is such a better deterrent. Maybe you should cook these criminals while they rob your house. Or thank them profusely as they punch you in the face. You didn’t need that IPhone, right? That’s so generous of you. Your novel model of surrendering your dignity and safety is going to serve you well in the mid terms. I know it works in DC, where Charles Allen blames the city and everyone else except the criminals, but nationwide most people can see it’s batsht masochism.

I'm a different poster, sorry bout that -- the new consolidated thread thingy tripped me up. That's not my approach. Read the bolded.

[Anonymous]

...this is why we can't have nice things John...

-signed, Baltimore.

The gentleman from petworth learned a hard lesson of urban life. I wish him a speedy recovery, both physically and from his rosy optimistic view of humanity. Do. Not. Engage the youth traveling in groups. Under any circumstance.

[Anonymous]

Kids in a group pushing a baby stroller looking to play b-ball at night...they must be local. Can the police really not canvas and find these homicidal youngsters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids in a group pushing a baby stroller looking to play b-ball at night...they must be local. Can the police really not canvas and find these homicidal youngsters?

The baby stroller was likely being used to collect Amazon deliveries. Very common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

Crime has gone up since progressive criminal justice policies have begun to be enacted, whether a it’s realigning police forces, passing the youth rehab act, allowing teens leniency in dc, shoplifting raised to $1000 in California spurring organized teen theft of malls, liberal DAs have begun to stop prosecuting. Violent crime is up 57% in Dc and murders are up 25% this year, and it’s not all Covid to blame. The attlanric has an article that tough on crime policing in NY definitely stopped crime, but it also was hard on families. Jail is a better deterrence than lenience and that article explains it all.

So you’re assertion that jail doesn’t serve as a better tool than the increasing easing of rules is fallacious. And your amorphous, intangible goal of preventing “teens to where there value all human life” is noting but a useless platitude. Jail works. It fking works.

A lot of these people are re-offenders. Incarceration means they're off the streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Witnessing and being victims of regular acts of brutality in their own lives often from a very young age. It’s like how violent video games desensitize youth to real life violence. Well what do you think early indoctrination to actual real life acts of violence does to a person?

Don’t know what the answer is, but in the interest of self preservation I tend to do my best to stay very far away from anyone who is raised in such environments. I don’t like chaos and unpredictable people.

[Anonymous]

The conditions that caused this? Not poverty. Plenty of kids grow up in horrible poverty and don’t become criminals. It’s a combination of bad parenting, or parents who are completely absent and no fear of the criminal justice system. Prison is glorified.

The solution - Stop focusing on rehabilitation. Charge them as adults. Send them to prison for the next ten years. If they reoffend after release, lock them up for life. If they decide to become better citizens, great. If not, let them rot in prison. Also, stop locking people up for using drugs. Go after the dealers. Drug addicts do not belong in prison. No one should ever be in prison for marijuana production, distribution, or use. That alone would free us space and money for violent offenders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids in a group pushing a baby stroller looking to play b-ball at night...they must be local. Can the police really not canvas and find these homicidal youngsters?

The baby stroller was likely being used to collect Amazon deliveries. Very common.

Sure, but two older kids, a medium kid and a small kid on foot carrying a baby stroller who stop to play bball for hours? They gotta be local. Has the PD pulled any of the admittedly measly camera footage in our city to track them, gone door to door with description? When we had teens cutting up in our alley we went to the local HS and described them and the principal INSTANTLY knew who they were . These kids are not a state secret - someone knows something if they travel in a group like this.