Teens nearly kill Petworth dad because he says they can't use his b-ball hoop after 930pm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, time to move on. This has already been forgotten. None of the council members will change their stance on the Youth “Rehabilitation” act, there will be more money thrown at “violence interruptors” which studies show are ineffective, there will be hand wringing and of course people shaking their heads and saying “we just need to study the root causes of poverty to help end this.” and nothing will change.

We are in an era of criminal policy reform and rather than incarceration we’ve simply chosen to let certain crime happen, even violent crime if it’s committed by teens (or folks up to 25 in DC) mainly for equity purposes and because statistics are so bad. The city will probably decline back the way it was in the 80’a and 90’s.

In fact, my post doesn’t matter and will be forgotten. Apparently people will tolerate certain amounts of crime because they want to further social justice. In reality, that’s short sighted. Social justice should not include just a massive amount of crime and violent crime and people getting beaten up.

Pretty much. DC government policy is that leniency for youth offenders takes priority over public safety. It’s not going to change anytime soon. This kind of incident goes down the memory hole with a variety of other heinous crimes committed by juveniles, like the carjacking fatality. People need to be attentive to their own personal safety, because the government flat-out doesn’t care about that relative to the well-being of the offender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

Crime has gone up since progressive criminal justice policies have begun to be enacted, whether a it’s realigning police forces, passing the youth rehab act, allowing teens leniency in dc, shoplifting raised to $1000 in California spurring organized teen theft of malls, liberal DAs have begun to stop prosecuting. Violent crime is up 57% in Dc and murders are up 25% this year, and it’s not all Covid to blame. The attlanric has an article that tough on crime policing in NY definitely stopped crime, but it also was hard on families. Jail is a better deterrence than lenience and that article explains it all.

So you’re assertion that jail doesn’t serve as a better tool than the increasing easing of rules is fallacious. And your amorphous, intangible goal of preventing “teens to where there value all human life” is noting but a useless platitude. Jail works. It fking works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

Crime has gone up since progressive criminal justice policies have begun to be enacted, whether a it’s realigning police forces, passing the youth rehab act, allowing teens leniency in dc, shoplifting raised to $1000 in California spurring organized teen theft of malls, liberal DAs have begun to stop prosecuting. Violent crime is up 57% in Dc and murders are up 25% this year, and it’s not all Covid to blame. The attlanric has an article that tough on crime policing in NY definitely stopped crime, but it also was hard on families. Jail is a better deterrence than lenience and that article explains it all.

So you’re assertion that jail doesn’t serve as a better tool than the increasing easing of rules is fallacious. And your amorphous, intangible goal of preventing “teens to where there value all human life” is noting but a useless platitude. Jail works. It fking works.

Good points, all. And note that law enforcement doesn't have to be perfect to be valuable. There will always be some who cannot be deterred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

No one has any idea. Incapacitation through incarceration is the only thing that can reliably prevent crimes committed by offenders that have demonstrated this kind of capacity for violence, and that approach is off-the-table due to left-wing objections to the “carceral” state. Deincarceration is more important to them than public safety, and in places like the District that faction holds the power and is not going anywhere. Watch your own back because nobody else is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

No one has any idea. Incapacitation through incarceration is the only thing that can reliably prevent crimes committed by offenders that have demonstrated this kind of capacity for violence, and that approach is off-the-table due to left-wing objections to the “carceral” state. Deincarceration is more important to them than public safety, and in places like the District that faction holds the power and is not going anywhere. Watch your own back because nobody else is.

Ok and again I am not opposed to jail time, but I’d also rather put resources towards having these teens not commit crimes in the first place. I’m sure the dad would have preferred not being beaten up, people don’t want to be carjacked etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

No one has any idea. Incapacitation through incarceration is the only thing that can reliably prevent crimes committed by offenders that have demonstrated this kind of capacity for violence, and that approach is off-the-table due to left-wing objections to the “carceral” state. Deincarceration is more important to them than public safety, and in places like the District that faction holds the power and is not going anywhere. Watch your own back because nobody else is.

Ok and again I am not opposed to jail time, but I’d also rather put resources towards having these teens not commit crimes in the first place. I’m sure the dad would have preferred not being beaten up, people don’t want to be carjacked etc.

Sure. The problem is none of these things actually work. It's all just wishful thinking.

[Anonymous]

Ok and again I am not opposed to jail time, but I’d also rather put resources towards having these teens not commit crimes in the first place. I’m sure the dad would have preferred not being beaten up, people don’t want to be carjacked etc.

The only resources that would actually work would be removing them from the homes where this behavior is condoned and sending them somewhere far away from their environments where they can be completely repatterned. After-school basketball is not going to fix kids who will do something like this. They have likely spent their entire childhood witnessing physical violence and dysregulation from adults whose temporary impulses have been thwarted and internalized that type of response as the "norm" for when one is angry. Getting a child out of that mindset after they have reached puberty requires dramatic action---not the kumbaya BS of the DC progressives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are posts on this thread disappearing?

Why do you think? It’s too unpalatable to discuss, and so it’s better to sweep things under the rug. I am not talking racist comments. I am talking about a legitimate discussion on crime, policy and the like. Most outlets ban comments on certain stories because it’s too unpalatable to even discuss things. It’s just too wrought with third rail politics, so time moves on and we just see more of these stories and nothing happens.

THIS. And don't even attempt to list crime statistics by race. That will get you banned. Because truth is less palatable than "equity" talk. Even though the equity / social justice approach to crime is literally killing people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ok and again I am not opposed to jail time, but I’d also rather put resources towards having these teens not commit crimes in the first place. I’m sure the dad would have preferred not being beaten up, people don’t want to be carjacked etc.

The only resources that would actually work would be removing them from the homes where this behavior is condoned and sending them somewhere far away from their environments where they can be completely repatterned. After-school basketball is not going to fix kids who will do something like this. They have likely spent their entire childhood witnessing physical violence and dysregulation from adults whose temporary impulses have been thwarted and internalized that type of response as the "norm" for when one is angry. Getting a child out of that mindset after they have reached puberty requires dramatic action---not the kumbaya BS of the DC progressives.

Get a licensed firearm, a conceal carry permit, and start using it to protect yourself. If more DC residents did this, that would deter criminals. This city's incompetent DA won't even provide basic statistics about the cases they prosecute. No way are they going to do their jobs and actually lock up these sociopaths. As for rehabilitation: that's fine for younger kids who are still able to change paths in life. For these kinds of criminals? They should be kept off the streets and prevented from harming others. Kumbaya BS is right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, time to move on. This has already been forgotten. None of the council members will change their stance on the Youth “Rehabilitation” act, there will be more money thrown at “violence interruptors” which studies show are ineffective, there will be hand wringing and of course people shaking their heads and saying “we just need to study the root causes of poverty to help end this.” and nothing will change.

We are in an era of criminal policy reform and rather than incarceration we’ve simply chosen to let certain crime happen, even violent crime if it’s committed by teens (or folks up to 25 in DC) mainly for equity purposes and because statistics are so bad. The city will probably decline back the way it was in the 80’a and 90’s.

In fact, my post doesn’t matter and will be forgotten. Apparently people will tolerate certain amounts of crime because they want to further social justice. In reality, that’s short sighted. Social justice should not include just a massive amount of crime and violent crime and people getting beaten up.

They've basically shown at this point that neither jail nor intervention work to curb violence. If that's the case, I pick jail time over compassion.

Honestly, the people leading the criminal policy reform are all liberal. Republicans are more pro police and jail. This doesn’t matter in dc because there are no pro police or jail candidates only super progressive politicians so nothing will change. However, nationwide Fox News is blasting these kinds of stories and folks in flyover states are eating it up. The whole defund and woke policy villainization is effective. I think the mid terms, barring this new abortion reversal, will be a lot of voters aghast at how social justice is used to essential water down criminal policy. I’m liberal. I live in dc and I was here during Barry when crack and crime was a huge issue. I don’t want to return to violent days when criminals were all around. I want a strong, forceful crackdown where we arrest violent criminals and send them to supermax prisons in rural states.

Ha, ha. What about the police trying to protect the Capitol on 1/6?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked the homeowners didn’t leave. I would have left if for no other reason than it must be traumatizing for the dad to see that every day.
Long jail sentences aren’t going to deter future crimes because I don’t think the people committing them are concerned about the consequences. The $1M question- what are the conditions that create teens who would commit such depraved acts, and how can we address those?

Conditions? Create the conditions? Normal human beings don’t violently attack. It looks like you skipped right to the hand wringing part and read my post before where I said we will simply “examine the roots causes of poverty” in perpetuity, while lowering the bad for criminal punishment, and wash rinse repeat until violence gets so bad Congress is brought in again like they were in the 80’s to take over the cities finances. This time I hope they just bring in the national guard to round up violent attackers, car jackers, robbers, and atv driving max max folks who do wheelies all day on 295 and on Benning Road, and just send them all to a prison where they can’t attack people. That would make the “conditions” for all the city residents not attacking people safer.

Extreme jail sentences alone won’t make us safer because while they may lock up this set of perpetrators (and I never said I was opposed to serious jail time), it is clear that the prospect of prison doesn’t deter future crime. So how do we prevent teens from getting to a place where they feel no sense of consequence or regard for human life that they would commit such a heinous act?

I don't agree with this and think it's an example of people just giving up and assuming the behavior is too engrained to change. Compare Singapore, for example, to the US. I'm not advocating for their criminal code by any stretch, but it clearly works as a deterrent.

[Anonymous]

I called J.L. George's office, but her staff, like her and most D.C. government "leaders", are working from home. So there consistently is no answer, just a voicemail.

[Anonymous]

Classic DC:

While MPD showed up quickly, the responding officers told the couple they shouldn’t have spoken to the teens, but called MPD to remove them.

“The last thing we wanted to do was to call the police on four Black kids playing basketball in an alley,” Jane said. “My husband had already spoken to them, had set up the net for them. Everything seemed fine. Then this attack happened… it just seems so ruthless to attack him, leave him bleeding on the ground as they calmly walked away.”

“But once I was calmed down and with my children and really thought about what happened, it seems like one person snapping in so irrational way — it wasn't a planned crime — it was a crazy moment in time. It seems too specific to be scared of it happening again. I hate the idea that we will worry more and feel less comfortable,” she said.


Wow I wonder how she will feel when it's one of her kids who is attacked. Will she still be a good little liberal? People like this are really disturbing.