Michigan GOP comes out against right to contraception

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nice highly edited video. It would have been more helpful to hear *everything* they said - not just the selections that support a ridiculous narrative.

So go watch the entire Michigan Attorney General Republican Primary debate.

Meanwhile, here’s one of them saying the same thing. States’ rights to do what?

Misogynist PP knows full well, but he’s not going to say anything until the talking points come out. They literally cannot discuss any of their party’s horrible politics until they know how they’re supposed to think and talk. Like puppets, waiting to be animated.

Oh, the deep, deep irony!! Thanks for the laugh.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, FFS, OP.

Not one of the candidates said anything about "overturning" the decision. They did agree it was wrongly decided because of STATES RIGHTS. That is what this is all about.
The same as Roe v Wade. STATES RIGHTS.

This this this. Some of you should not post about legal issues because you lack all understanding.

So states can mandate vaccines and how your children are educated? Nothing in the constitution about that.

DP. The VA senate mandates which vaccines are required in VA. I'm sure other states do the same. You might want to look into that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, FFS, OP.

Not one of the candidates said anything about "overturning" the decision. They did agree it was wrongly decided because of STATES RIGHTS. That is what this is all about.
The same as Roe v Wade. STATES RIGHTS.

This this this. Some of you should not post about legal issues because you lack all understanding.

Lawyer here. It seems like you are saying states have the right to outlaw contraception. Is that what you are saying? Would that be for everyone? Or could people with a medical need take contraception in MI? Like, say, my teenage DD. Not sexually actively but 2 week periods so heavy she was anemic. Could she use contraception in MI? Or does MI have the right to over-rule the FDA, her doctor— and her parents who helped make this decision? If she could take it out of medical need, what happens when she gets married? She can only take it is her husband approves, or the tell the government they will be abstinent? Or???

Because yelling states rights necessarily means the state can choose to say no. Full stop. And before you’d at they would never, let me introduce you to Alabama and the Deep South.

DP. Which states in the south have outlawed contraception? We'll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, FFS, OP.

Not one of the candidates said anything about "overturning" the decision. They did agree it was wrongly decided because of STATES RIGHTS. That is what this is all about.
The same as Roe v Wade. STATES RIGHTS.

This this this. Some of you should not post about legal issues because you lack all understanding.

I'm the OP of this post and I do not lack understanding. I'm a licensed attorney with a deep interest in privacy law. And my seminar paper in law school was on state coercion/control of women's use of contraception through welfare programs and incentives. "States rights" is a convenient and lazy argument for any federal right one opposes. And here the right they don't agree with is your right to privacy in matters of using contraception to prevent pregnancy.

It's frankly sad and backward that we need/needed the US Supreme Court to articulate this as it should be fundamental and not wrapped up in the culture wars. But here we are. My post title stands: Michigan GOP comes out against right to contraception.

You should be more concerned with the government FORCING women to use birth control. Given the state we are currently in........
There is absolutely no fear of restricting birth control.

The US government will not force women to use birth control. Not because it’s wrong. Although, it obviously is, but because the the economy will crash. Birth rates are already below replacement value. Which is a problem. Great explanation here.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-low-can-americas-birth-rate-go-before-its-a-problem/

Find a new talking point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, FFS, OP.

Not one of the candidates said anything about "overturning" the decision. They did agree it was wrongly decided because of STATES RIGHTS. That is what this is all about.
The same as Roe v Wade. STATES RIGHTS.

This this this. Some of you should not post about legal issues because you lack all understanding.

So states can mandate vaccines and how your children are educated? Nothing in the constitution about that.

DP. The VA senate mandates which vaccines are required in VA. I'm sure other states do the same. You might want to look into that.

+1. States and localities also make 90% of the decisions on public education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, FFS, OP.

Not one of the candidates said anything about "overturning" the decision. They did agree it was wrongly decided because of STATES RIGHTS. That is what this is all about.
The same as Roe v Wade. STATES RIGHTS.

This this this. Some of you should not post about legal issues because you lack all understanding.

Lawyer here. It seems like you are saying states have the right to outlaw contraception. Is that what you are saying? Would that be for everyone? Or could people with a medical need take contraception in MI? Like, say, my teenage DD. Not sexually actively but 2 week periods so heavy she was anemic. Could she use contraception in MI? Or does MI have the right to over-rule the FDA, her doctor— and her parents who helped make this decision? If she could take it out of medical need, what happens when she gets married? She can only take it is her husband approves, or the tell the government they will be abstinent? Or???

Because yelling states rights necessarily means the state can choose to say no. Full stop. And before you’d at they would never, let me introduce you to Alabama and the Deep South.

DP. Which states in the south have outlawed contraception? We'll wait.

None. Because — wait for it—- IT’S a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. But PP is arguing they should be able to.

So answer the question. Should MI be able to outlaw contraception that has been approved by the FDA?

[Anonymous]

The war on women

[Anonymous]

I’d like an answer to the question too. If You are arguing that contraception is STATES RIGHTS, does that mean MIshould have the right to outlaw contraception?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, FFS, OP.

Not one of the candidates said anything about "overturning" the decision. They did agree it was wrongly decided because of STATES RIGHTS. That is what this is all about.
The same as Roe v Wade. STATES RIGHTS.

States have the right to ban contraception????? WTF.

What if a state wanted to ban pizza. Do they have that right, too?

What if they want to ban iphones. Is that also a states rights issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d like an answer to the question too. If You are arguing that contraception is STATES RIGHTS, does that mean MIshould have the right to outlaw contraception?

Again, the cons on this board are waiting for Tucker or Ben Shapiro to give them their talking points so they can come and regurgitate them here. So far, yes, that’s what they’re trying to argue without pinning themselves down. In other words, mainstream Republicans don’t think women should have any control over their lives if they’re born in a red state, mainstream Republicans are opposed to contraception.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d like an answer to the question too. If You are arguing that contraception is STATES RIGHTS, does that mean MIshould have the right to outlaw contraception?

Again, the cons on this board are waiting for Tucker or Ben Shapiro to give them their talking points so they can come and regurgitate them here. So far, yes, that’s what they’re trying to argue without pinning themselves down. In other words, mainstream Republicans don’t think women should have any control over their lives if they’re born in a red state, mainstream Republicans are opposed to contraception.

+1. It’s a not well thought out position. For two reasons. One, contraception is medication regulated by the federal government. And we don’t let states decide that certain medication the is FDA approved can’t be prescribed. So now, it isn’t a states rights issue. It’s a federal regulatory issue.

And more importantly. They seems to be saying states 100% can ban contraception— and should have the right to ban contraception. But don’t worry little missy, they never actually would. Which given that Roe stood for 50 years and SCOTUS is letting citizens collect bounties on abortions at 6 weeks, isn’t that convincing.

More 99% of sexually active women in the US have used contraception at some point. So, it seems like this is a case of, when you are in a hole, stop digging. But no. MI amen will keep arguing the should be able to ban contraception. But, of course they wouldn’t, wink, wink, nod, nod.

Source for 99%

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-united-states

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine any state or government of any kind rolling back contraceptive use. This in inalienable personal bodily autonomy.

Lol oh it’s coming to a state near you! Think Virginia.

Yup.

VA has pro-life majority in house, senate, governor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine any state or government of any kind rolling back contraceptive use. This in inalienable personal bodily autonomy.

Lol oh it’s coming to a state near you! Think Virginia.

Yup.

VA has pro-life majority in house, senate, governor.

Call it what it is: forced birth. These forced birth dingleberries are the same ones who refused vaccines and masks and they’re pretty much responsible for the last year’s worth of American deaths. There’s nothing that is pro-life about them; they just want to torture women.

[Anonymous]

At this point, I hope the GOP MI state house tries to pass such a law. I hope the SCOTUS overturms Roe this summer.

Nothing will bring out the electorate like these two actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point, I hope the GOP MI state house tries to pass such a law. I hope the SCOTUS overturms Roe this summer.

Nothing will bring out the electorate like these two actions.

The right wing extremists on the “Supreme” Court will be happily making law and will absolutely overturn Roe this summer. Maybe the forced birth women who always believed the lie that the obsession with abortion was about “life” will wake up to their subjugation at that point, but I doubt it. Normal women, though, and the good men who love them - they’ll turn out at the ballot box.