the obsession with colleges

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Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

Yeah, but your missing the point entirely…why wouldn’t t a higher percentage of leaders come from the top programs?? We are we stressing over early training, specialization, privates, and other trappings of influence, when the same thing can be achieved with another path? It’s all about egos, and control…sad, and at what expense (figuratively and literally)?

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Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CEO-U: The Top 10 Universities for Fortune 500 Chief Executives
https://www.equilar.com/reports/44-ceo-u-top-10-universities-for-fortune-500-chief-executives.html

HARVARD UNIVERSITY
Massachusetts 20 27

STANFORD UNIVERSITY
California 12 17

MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
Massachusetts 4 7

COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
New York 6 6

DARTMOUTH COLLEGE
New Hampshire 6 6

UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
Michigan 6 6

NEW YORK UNIVERSITY
New York 4 5

UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
Indiana 3 5

TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY
Texas 4 4

UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, AUSTIN
Texas 4 4

Feeling good my kid's school is there

So only 10 CEOs from 500 schools, or 10%…sounds statistically average to me..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CEO-U: The Top 10 Universities for Fortune 500 Chief Executives
https://www.equilar.com/reports/44-ceo-u-top-10-universities-for-fortune-500-chief-executives.html

HARVARD UNIVERSITY
Massachusetts 20 27

STANFORD UNIVERSITY
California 12 17

MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
Massachusetts 4 7

COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
New York 6 6

DARTMOUTH COLLEGE
New Hampshire 6 6

UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
Michigan 6 6

NEW YORK UNIVERSITY
New York 4 5

UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
Indiana 3 5

TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY
Texas 4 4

UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, AUSTIN
Texas 4 4

Feeling good my kid's school is there

So only 10 CEOs from 500 schools, or 10%…sounds statistically average to me..

Sorry meant to say 50 from 500

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Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

That is not a smart criteria to use. Help your student find the place they can thrive. Have had several go through this. One is thriving at a competitive pressure cooker because she responds to that environment. Another was not interested in that and is thriving at a much smaller friendlier slac. Another wanted a woman's college.

Pay attention to your student's strengths and weaknesses and help them find an environment suited to exploiting the strengths and shoring up the weaknesses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CEO-U: The Top 10 Universities for Fortune 500 Chief Executives
https://www.equilar.com/reports/44-ceo-u-top-10-universities-for-fortune-500-chief-executives.html

HARVARD UNIVERSITY
Massachusetts 20 27

STANFORD UNIVERSITY
California 12 17

MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
Massachusetts 4 7

COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
New York 6 6

DARTMOUTH COLLEGE
New Hampshire 6 6

UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
Michigan 6 6

NEW YORK UNIVERSITY
New York 4 5

UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
Indiana 3 5

TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY
Texas 4 4

UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, AUSTIN
Texas 4 4

Feeling good my kid's school is there

So only 10 CEOs from 500 schools, or 10%…sounds statistically average to me..

Sorry meant to say 50 from 500

10% of CEOs come from 10 schools that comprise .25% of the schools in the US.

That sounds average to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

Brainiac, you are artificially skewing your argument, as a much smaller percentage of any come from the bottom. Look at #51-200…then you will stress far less on focusing on top 50 schools (“at all costs”)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

Brainiac, you are artificially skewing your argument, as a much smaller percentage of any come from the bottom. Look at #51-200…then you will stress far less on focusing on top 50 schools (“at all costs”)

It's not me who came up with 77%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

Brainiac, you are artificially skewing your argument, as a much smaller percentage of any come from the bottom. Look at #51-200…then you will stress far less on focusing on top 50 schools (“at all costs”)

It's not me who came up with 77%

What would you say if 23% came from top 50 and other 70% or so came from 51-200? I’d take those odds in a heartbeat, especially if I tried to get my DC into top 50 “at all costs” (the mentality of most on this board as it relates to colleges, etc).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

The reason there's a higher percentage from the most selective schools has nothing to do with those leaders having attended an 'elite' college. It's because those colleges get first pick of the most ambitious, intellectually capable high school students, who go on to be ambitious, intellectually capable adults. It's as simple as that.

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Better yet: save your money on privates, specialized SAT tutors, college counselors, etc and give you DC the money after graduating from a Top 51-200 school. That seed money will be better served than the other, and far less stress for you. Your kid will be fine and likely more appreciative

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Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

Brainiac, you are artificially skewing your argument, as a much smaller percentage of any come from the bottom. Look at #51-200…then you will stress far less on focusing on top 50 schools (“at all costs”)

It's not me who came up with 77%

What would you say if 23% came from top 50 and other 70% or so came from 51-200? I’d take those odds in a heartbeat, especially if I tried to get my DC into top 50 “at all costs” (the mentality of most on this board as it relates to colleges, etc).

I would first look at 51-100.
show me the data, so I can keep that as a reference.

It's all about balance and common sense.
- School name is importanat
- Field of study/major is important
- Fit is important

Don't pretend school name is not important.

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Folks here are so scared that they can’t control the outcome. If your kid is exceptional, they will rise! Most are not, but those kids turn out ok too. I just don’t believe in the “at all cost” mentality and irrational singular focus on Top 50 (again, “at all
Costs”).

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Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

A lot of this makes sense. So if I am getting this correctly - all experiential, nothing academic?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be exhausting.

Agreed?

A certain subset of UMC America thinks it matters where you go to college, both career-wise and in finding the "right" spouse.

This is what drives 90% of college obsession.

lol. Where you go to college can matter. The right spouse also matters wherever that person comes from. The idea that it does not matter at all is kind of silly. If you go to an awful college of course you still have the chance to do whatever you want. You have less ways to do it though. You also have more road blocks and roundabouts. Less so from a top school. Of course you can still screw it up but more paths; less roadblocks. UMC parents think this because they see it every day

Right - but it’s not the end-all-be-all that a lot of folks here make it out to be. Unless you are going to a top-50 or bottom 1/3 school, I’d doesn’t really matter all that much - or matter as much as the time, effort, expense, etc. I equate it to the travel sports frenzy that starts at age 10.

There's a difference between Top 10 school and a Top 50

There's really not in terms of outcomes...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/6/

Wow…you are lifting the veneer of many folks’ psyche here… does that mean if my goal is a top 25 and I spend all this money on private schools from 4th grade, it’s all for naught? In all seriousness, folks here don’t get that attending a public school actually demonstrates your well-roundedness and resiliency. And it showcases your ability to interact and form lasting relationships across all socio and economic groups. There is no more diverse atmosphere than MCPS, FCPS, and other systems. Inclusivity is a trait desired by many business leaders, and isolating yourself in the bubble of private schools is now being thrown into an unfavorable light. All to get into a Top 25, which studies show 77% of business leaders are not part of that club…mind-blowing!

Private schools give off the appearance of entitlement and influential parents / enablers. Whether right or wrong. And the “e” word (entitlement) is not a pretty label these days. Employers are looking for inclusivity, not exclusivity these days. This will be more evident within the next 5 years - who would have ever guessed we would have gotten rid of test scores. Grades and essays are next.

What will be the new metrics? I ask this as someone who comes from a family opposing standardized testing for over fifty years. My parents forbade schools from administering them to us. The first one I took was the PSAT.

The new standard is demonstrated inclusivity, whether it’s successfully grinding through and successfully navigating the challenges of public schools, joining or starting clubs that focus on social justice and other community improvements, or demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit through side hustles / new businesses. Students who have been subject to adverse conditions / environment, and then demonstrate perseverance and grittiness in overcoming those obstacles will rise to the top. Those who attend privates, showcase privilege, or follow the herd, will have a harder time. The next 10 years will not follow the last 50 years…save your money on tuition, let your kids fail then overcome in a challenging environment, then package that to the admissions folks. Resumes will replace essays and grades to some extent (pass/fail) and other potential trappings of influence.

This is why 77% of business leaders did not attend a Top 50 undergraduate program. Parents on this board stress about the wrong things and want to try and control the outcomes, based on what worked for them or others in the past. The model for “success” and playing field have changed dramatically and will continue to move in the direction for the good. If it seems like you child gained an edge through influence and privilege (regardless if accurate or not), then they will actually be at a disadvantage. Who knew??!

isn't it more impressive that 23% of business leaders come from only 50 colleges?

LOL YES.
In the United States, there are approximately 5,300 colleges and universities.

- 23% of business leaders come from 50 colleges
- 77% from the rest of the 4250 colleges.

Get your kids to the 50 colleges

Brainiac, you are artificially skewing your argument, as a much smaller percentage of any come from the bottom. Look at #51-200…then you will stress far less on focusing on top 50 schools (“at all costs”)

It's not me who came up with 77%

What would you say if 23% came from top 50 and other 70% or so came from 51-200? I’d take those odds in a heartbeat, especially if I tried to get my DC into top 50 “at all costs” (the mentality of most on this board as it relates to colleges, etc).

I would first look at 51-100.
show me the data, so I can keep that as a reference.

It's all about balance and common sense.
- School name is importanat
- Field of study/major is important
- Fit is important

Don't pretend school name is not important.

The data was in the previous post’s link: 23% of business leaders come from Top 50 and 10% of Fortune 500 come from Top 10. School is clearly important, but not to the extend (be-all-end-all) as portrayed by most parents here seeking a Top 50. Going to a 50-150 isn’t the end of the world and if your kid is talented, gritty, etc, they will succeed regardless (without the mental health issues you foster through such stress)