Girl's School and Gender Pronouns

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[Anonymous]

It's sad that "girls" is a bad word now but no boys school is doing anything like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

It will never happen. They can discuss it and suggest it but it wont happen. Too many liberal and conservative families won't support this. It is s a girls school. Girl power. Empowering young women etc.... They are girls at a young age. Maybe can use ladies at a certain age but girls applies. Don't get all worked up about this. It will never change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

Either Stone Ridge or Holton. Either way, it’s ridiculous.

I want to know so we don’t apply in the future. These schools need to get a grip.

This doesn't start with the schools. It's students advocating for these changes.

So cool. Some adolescents driving the $50k a year bus down the toilet. Meanwhile in the rest of the world….. they do real math, spelling, grammar, science and testing.

I used to admire Holton. It had a mix of ethnicities, college majors and colleges (not all liberal slacs, also had military academies and rotc). Anyhoo, hope my kids GTFO out DC and I’m pushing them for McGill or abroad.

[Anonymous]

Thank God it isn't Stone Ridge. I hope they stay off that track. We hope to enroll our daughter this year.

PS Because it is a school that goes as young as K, I sincerely doubt they would ever adopt this on a whole school level.

[Anonymous]

Anyone with children younger than 10 has not fully been exposed to this wide ranging trend. It is ripping through our pre-adolescent and adolescent girls at an incredibly high rate. It is now cool to be bisexual, transgender, and queer. Apparently lesbian and gay are out of fashion. I mean, they get to fly a rainbow flag. How cool is that? I asked my “daughter” what flag do I get to fly and she said the straight flag was black and white. That’s what I get?

I figure if she can get someone else to call her by a different name and use different pronouns, that’s on her. We are just ignoring it at home. This is a child with zero gender issues from birth to age 15.

Still, I wonder what will happen in these girls schools. They will not be insulated from it. As I mentioned above, I hope the schools take a hard stand and mostly ignore it. There’s no way I can remember the preferred pronouns in my daughters circle of (girl)friends. Let alone being a teacher with 100+ kids to remember. If you look like a girl, I will use female pronouns. If you look like a boy, I will use male pronouns. And if we decide as a society we want to update our language then that’s going to take a few years. Pronouns are not offensive by their nature.

Really hoping this far dies out before too many years pass

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Anonymous wrote:Are they saying that they want to start admitting actual boys to the school, or just abandon the word "girls," out of respect to girls who don't identify as girls?

If you don't identify as a girl then you need to go to a different school. A girl's school is for girls.

Makes sense to me, because I am a normal person. But those on the left will call you a bigot for saying that!

I’m on the left and I think a girls’ school is for girls. If it’s legal to have an all girls school and not legally considered discrimination to refuse admission to boys, then they don’t have to allow people who aren’t girls to attend. Period. Therefore, there’s no reason to remove “girls,” “young ladies,” “young women,” or “females” from their publications.

People should be free to identify as whatever gender they want. I’ll do my best to honor one’s chosen pronouns — within reason. However, the popularity of claiming gender fluidity has gotten ridiculous. There are students at my dd’s middle school (public, so I probably shouldn’t be posting in this forum) who identified as girls until 7th grade. Now, in 8th grade, they wear different colored bracelets on different days to indicate which pronouns they feel like using on a given day. They decided to go by different names that sounded more gender neutral to them. Somewhere around the beginning of the second quarter, one of them announced that they will now be going by two different names (neither one their given name), depending on which they feel like that day. Because there is a teacher who is very supportive of LGBTQ+ students, they asked the teacher to check in with them each day so teacher knows which name to use. That’s beyond ridiculous.

My dd used to be supportive of the rights of transgender and non-binary people, but at this point, she just rolls her eyes at these students because she thinks they’re starved for attention and absolutely desperate to be different and special, and that they are being disingenuous about their gender identities. I worry that having so many kids jump on the gender identity bandwagon will make my kids unsympathetic to people who are truly struggling with their gender identities and not just trying out something trendy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not call them students instead of girls. And seriously does your handbook really say “girls”, our handbook always said young ladies.

It’s just weird you are stuck on the word girl.

I can see it now - Holton: An All Students School.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone with children younger than 10 has not fully been exposed to this wide ranging trend. It is ripping through our pre-adolescent and adolescent girls at an incredibly high rate. It is now cool to be bisexual, transgender, and queer. Apparently lesbian and gay are out of fashion. I mean, they get to fly a rainbow flag. How cool is that? I asked my “daughter” what flag do I get to fly and she said the straight flag was black and white. That’s what I get?

I figure if she can get someone else to call her by a different name and use different pronouns, that’s on her. We are just ignoring it at home. This is a child with zero gender issues from birth to age 15.

Still, I wonder what will happen in these girls schools. They will not be insulated from it. As I mentioned above, I hope the schools take a hard stand and mostly ignore it. There’s no way I can remember the preferred pronouns in my daughters circle of (girl)friends. Let alone being a teacher with 100+ kids to remember. If you look like a girl, I will use female pronouns. If you look like a boy, I will use male pronouns. And if we decide as a society we want to update our language then that’s going to take a few years. Pronouns are not offensive by their nature.

Really hoping this far dies out before too many years pass

+1000

While Rome burns, this is what your $45K tuition a year at Holton will get you. You "ladies" and your "girls" do realize that China is kicking our asses in STEM, right?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

We are at NCS and I have not heard of this. My daughter and friends are very accepting of their fellow LGBTQ and non-binary classmates and it makes me proud. I don’t believe anyone at NCS is trying to make this change and even if they are I don’t think it will be successful as the school was founded by a donation to create a girls’ school. It would not get support and trust me they would not get the much needed financial money they need yearly so sometimes money matters and in this case I think across the board on all political spectrums they would not have the support to make such a change.

That being said I think it is healthy to have the conversations and dialogue as to why some may want these changes. I do not agree but I think it makes me a more understanding person and parent to hear their side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

We are at NCS and I have not heard of this. My daughter and friends are very accepting of their fellow LGBTQ and non-binary classmates and it makes me proud. I don’t believe anyone at NCS is trying to make this change and even if they are I don’t think it will be successful as the school was founded by a donation to create a girls’ school. It would not get support and trust me they would not get the much needed financial money they need yearly so sometimes money matters and in this case I think across the board on all political spectrums they would not have the support to make such a change.

That being said I think it is healthy to have the conversations and dialogue as to why some may want these changes. I do not agree but I think it makes me a more understanding person and parent to hear their side.

So, you think that every whim, trend and fad that comes along from the 14 - 17 year old set needs to be awarded with the "conversations and dialogue" status?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

We are at NCS and I have not heard of this. My daughter and friends are very accepting of their fellow LGBTQ and non-binary classmates and it makes me proud. I don’t believe anyone at NCS is trying to make this change and even if they are I don’t think it will be successful as the school was founded by a donation to create a girls’ school. It would not get support and trust me they would not get the much needed financial money they need yearly so sometimes money matters and in this case I think across the board on all political spectrums they would not have the support to make such a change.

That being said I think it is healthy to have the conversations and dialogue as to why some may want these changes. I do not agree but I think it makes me a more understanding person and parent to hear their side.

So, you think that every whim, trend and fad that comes along from the 14 - 17 year old set needs to be awarded with the "conversations and dialogue" status?

You’re an ass. I think it’s part of a community if someone has a feeling about something it’s OK to allow them to express those feelings. You don’t have to shut it down because you think it’s outrageous. Why did you choose a school that doesn’t fit your right wing politics and feelings? Surely there are other school that would have suited you better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

We are at NCS and I have not heard of this. My daughter and friends are very accepting of their fellow LGBTQ and non-binary classmates and it makes me proud. I don’t believe anyone at NCS is trying to make this change and even if they are I don’t think it will be successful as the school was founded by a donation to create a girls’ school. It would not get support and trust me they would not get the much needed financial money they need yearly so sometimes money matters and in this case I think across the board on all political spectrums they would not have the support to make such a change.

That being said I think it is healthy to have the conversations and dialogue as to why some may want these changes. I do not agree but I think it makes me a more understanding person and parent to hear their side.

So, you think that every whim, trend and fad that comes along from the 14 - 17 year old set needs to be awarded with the "conversations and dialogue" status?

It’s not a whim to them. That’s the point. I don’t agree with them but I am raising my kids to be respectful and hear people out. Too bad you are not doing the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not call them students instead of girls. And seriously does your handbook really say “girls”, our handbook always said young ladies.

It’s just weird you are stuck on the word girl.

My point is that the school is for females - young ones - who are generally called girls (or young ladies if you prefer.) The point is not the specific word, the point is that the purpose and identity of the school is to educate young females and that it seems ludicrous to try and erase that identity when it is the very purpose of the school.

I think it's ridiculous to box them in. They are in a school, they are students. Period. That is their purpose there.

Female CEO
Female athlete

It's like and * she is an "athlete" but also female... not she is a CEO, athlete... STUDENT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not call them students instead of girls. And seriously does your handbook really say “girls”, our handbook always said young ladies.

It’s just weird you are stuck on the word girl.

Because it is a GIRL'S SCHOOL and many people chose it for that reason.

Why is this so hard for people like you to understand?

They choose it because it is a school for students.