Why do getting into elite universities even matter at this point?

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Anonymous wrote:I do think we’ll start seeing a trend where kids of the elites don’t go to college. You’re already seeing this start in Silicone Valley.

Pandemics hane forced some to stop school. This has disproportionally affected CC students bc they need to work to support family, can’t afford tuition or fees, etc. you can google the news. It’s affected the poor more than the elites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elite universities are hardly the big thing they used to be.

That’s what everybody who didn’t attend one thinks. But how exactly would you know?

As someone who has two ivy degrees and one state school degree, there is virtually no difference between attending a public school ranked 80th and a private school ranked 5th for MOST majors.

Says a sample size of #1.

We need to talk to successful people, not the disgruntled ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elite universities are hardly the big thing they used to be.

That’s what everybody who didn’t attend one thinks. But how exactly would you know?

Don't you work with people from all different colleges? I do.

Same. I think its certain people who went to elite schools who have such a narrow view they hardly realize how well everyone else is doing too. they name their school and never ask where the woman they report to went (deep down, they don't want to know).

And that has always been the case. Unless by "used to be" you mean the 1700s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elite universities are hardly the big thing they used to be.

That’s what everybody who didn’t attend one thinks. But how exactly would you know?

Don't you work with people from all different colleges? I do.

Same. I think its certain people who went to elite schools who have such a narrow view they hardly realize how well everyone else is doing too. they name their school and never ask where the woman they report to went (deep down, they don't want to know).

And that has always been the case. Unless by "used to be" you mean the 1700s.

Some of the women with low education who rose to the top are of different breed. You don’t really want to go there. It’s not what school the woman they report to went. It’s how she got there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am curious, because I am of an Asian descent and when I was applying to universities 15 years I already knew I would not get into any Ivys due to racial discrimination despite near perfect SAT scores and a full stack of AP 5 scores, national merit and EC. Most of my friends were in the same boat, so we said f it, we just go engineering/STEM at a state school, We'll make more.

The case is even more true today than it was 15 years ago. Moreover, most STEM isn't even competitive today due to the mismatch of supply and demand. Outside of maybe chemical engineering and computer science, the average college salary is lower than that of trades. You make more as a carpenter, electrician or heck even general contractor than most college majors, without going into 6 figures worth of debt.

My grandparents were professors, my parents had masters degrees, I only have an undergrad and I am seriously debating if my kids should even go to college at this point. You don't need a CS degree from Stanford to get a good developer job, a year of coding academies is enough in most cases.

Good luck being able to physically do these trade jobs past age 40 or 45.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elite universities are hardly the big thing they used to be.

That’s what everybody who didn’t attend one thinks. But how exactly would you know?

Don't you work with people from all different colleges? I do.

Same. I think its certain people who went to elite schools who have such a narrow view they hardly realize how well everyone else is doing too. they name their school and never ask where the woman they report to went (deep down, they don't want to know).

And that has always been the case. Unless by "used to be" you mean the 1700s.

Some of the women with low education who rose to the top are of different breed. You don’t really want to go there. It’s not what school the woman they report to went. It’s how she got there.

Low education if not an elite school? And what are you implying? Still stuck in the days when you thought women had to sleep their way to the top? Good like in life with that attitude. I guess I should have used a hypothetical male boss to make you feel less threatened.

[Anonymous]

I think this post is what's happening with a lot of middle middle class folks. We're grappling with our ability to send our children to college so some are questioning the worth of a private college degree entirely. It's a coping strategy really.

I'm sorry you're stressed out about this.

I've fantasized about buying my DCs a food truck because I don't have the money to go full freight anywhere. That, or vocational training and a strong financial investment in tools. The mind goes places when college seems so far out of reach.

[Anonymous]

Fact: the AVERAGE brand new college grad makes $55,000 a year to sit on their butt in an air conditioned office doing make work, if not just perusing social media most of the work day.

Please show me a trade that provides $55,000 to sit on your butt. All the plumbing, electrical, HVAC, etc. men break their backs and work in often miserable conditions to clear the same salary.

Or I guess your kid can skip college and enter a police academy out of high school. I know a guy who just quit an inner-city police department -- where he made around $100,000 a year plus a nice pension -- because a guy he arrested and in handcuffs sh*t on himself while in the back of the cruiser, then when the cop pulled him out, the suspect wiped feces all over the cop.

[Anonymous]

I have to question if threads and posts like this originate from DMV or are just trolls. DMV has the highest concentration of feds sitting on their asses all day -- often remote -- for great money, best employment protection, great public pension, and the best health care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have to question if threads and posts like this originate from DMV or are just trolls. DMV has the highest concentration of feds sitting on their asses all day -- often remote -- for great money, best employment protection, great public pension, and the best health care.

There are blue collar people who live in the DMV area. I know of one such family that lives in a W cluster and the eldest son went into trades after high school graduation last year.

That said - all these people say go into the trades and they make so much money! Better investment than college! Yay!

How many girls do you know who are in trades? I can think of only 1 woman tradesperson I've encountered in all my years of dealing with trades people. These posters who keep pushing trades, what are they pushing for the girls? Why don't I see any posts about going to beauty school? Some type of medical front office job? The predominantly girl vo-tech trades? Where are those? Why aren't those being pushed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to question if threads and posts like this originate from DMV or are just trolls. DMV has the highest concentration of feds sitting on their asses all day -- often remote -- for great money, best employment protection, great public pension, and the best health care.

There are blue collar people who live in the DMV area. I know of one such family that lives in a W cluster and the eldest son went into trades after high school graduation last year.

That said - all these people say go into the trades and they make so much money! Better investment than college! Yay!

How many girls do you know who are in trades? I can think of only 1 woman tradesperson I've encountered in all my years of dealing with trades people. These posters who keep pushing trades, what are they pushing for the girls? Why don't I see any posts about going to beauty school? Some type of medical front office job? The predominantly girl vo-tech trades? Where are those? Why aren't those being pushed?

Why not do both? You do a trade and business degree to run or own the business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elite universities are hardly the big thing they used to be.

That’s what everybody who didn’t attend one thinks. But how exactly would you know?

Don't you work with people from all different colleges? I do.

Same. I think its certain people who went to elite schools who have such a narrow view they hardly realize how well everyone else is doing too. they name their school and never ask where the woman they report to went (deep down, they don't want to know).

And that has always been the case. Unless by "used to be" you mean the 1700s.

Some of the women with low education who rose to the top are of different breed. You don’t really want to go there. It’s not what school the woman they report to went. It’s how she got there.

Low education if not an elite school? And what are you implying? Still stuck in the days when you thought women had to sleep their way to the top? Good like in life with that attitude. I guess I should have used a hypothetical male boss to make you feel less threatened.

It works both ways. Let’s not pretend it doesn’t happen in 2021 - both ways. Women are just as ambitious, conniving, and sneaky as men. Why do you assume they all live in monasteries like nuns?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, because I am of an Asian descent and when I was applying to universities 15 years I already knew I would not get into any Ivys due to racial discrimination despite near perfect SAT scores and a full stack of AP 5 scores, national merit and EC. Most of my friends were in the same boat, so we said f it, we just go engineering/STEM at a state school, We'll make more.

The case is even more true today than it was 15 years ago. Moreover, most STEM isn't even competitive today due to the mismatch of supply and demand. Outside of maybe chemical engineering and computer science, the average college salary is lower than that of trades. You make more as a carpenter, electrician or heck even general contractor than most college majors, without going into 6 figures worth of debt.

My grandparents were professors, my parents had masters degrees, I only have an undergrad and I am seriously debating if my kids should even go to college at this point. You don't need a CS degree from Stanford to get a good developer job, a year of coding academies is enough in most cases.

Sure, for an entry level job, but without a BS and possible an MS, you will have a ceiling that is COLA - entry level salary. That is fine if you are 18-26, but do you want that same salary when you are 45 or 55?

You do. My husbands friend applied for the same job and company he was in and did not have a degree and was turned down. He struggles to get jobs. Hard and good worker. Husband has no issue.

[Anonymous]

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I think this post is what's happening with a lot of middle middle class folks. We're grappling with our ability to send our children to college so some are questioning the worth of a private college degree entirely. It's a coping strategy really.

I'm sorry you're stressed out about this.

I've fantasized about buying my DCs a food truck because I don't have the money to go full freight anywhere. That, or vocational training and a strong financial investment in tools. The mind goes places when college seems so far out of reach.

You are probably not middle class as if you were your kid would get aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think this post is what's happening with a lot of middle middle class folks. We're grappling with our ability to send our children to college so some are questioning the worth of a private college degree entirely. It's a coping strategy really.

I'm sorry you're stressed out about this.

I've fantasized about buying my DCs a food truck because I don't have the money to go full freight anywhere. That, or vocational training and a strong financial investment in tools. The mind goes places when college seems so far out of reach.

You are probably not middle class as if you were your kid would get aid.

If PP’s not eligible for FA, they have income. They had their priorities on where to spend their money. It was all about choices they made.