Montgomery County- Universal Income

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This should have been put on the ballot. I do not want to pay for this.

Then get the signatures for a petition to put it on referendum. I would love to end this Council's BS.

Do it then. It would pass overwhelmingly. Montgomery County voters are social justice oriented, not spoiled whiners like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This should have been put on the ballot. I do not want to pay for this.

Then get the signatures for a petition to put it on referendum. I would love to end this Council's BS.

Do it then. It would pass overwhelmingly. Montgomery County voters are social justice oriented, not spoiled whiners like you.

With universal income they are going to start bleeding voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This should have been put on the ballot. I do not want to pay for this.

Then get the signatures for a petition to put it on referendum. I would love to end this Council's BS.

Do it then. It would pass overwhelmingly. Montgomery County voters are social justice oriented, not spoiled whiners like you.

With universal income they are going to start bleeding voters.

Agreed. The high earners have lost their appetite for this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sweet! Imma quit my job.

yea cause $800/mo goes soooo far in MoCo. LOL

Every additional welfare benefit removes people from the workforce. We have seen that during COVID, where first enhanced unemployment and then the monthly child tax credit are incentivizing staying at home. At a time when every business has a "Help Wanted" sign.

If there was a training/substance abuse treatment/work requirement to receive all of these, I might be more supportive.

that's not what the numbers are showing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/ending-unemployment-benefits-had-little-impact-on-jobs-study-says.html

States that withdrew early from federal unemployment programs pushed few people back to work and fueled a nearly $2 billion cut in household spending, potentially hurting their local economies, according to new research.

Twenty-six state governors — all Republican, except one — opted out of the pandemic-era programs several weeks before their official expiration on Labor Day. Enhanced benefits were keeping the unemployed from looking for jobs and fueling a labor shortage, they claimed.

The data suggests unemployment benefits aren’t playing a big role in hiring challenges and that other factors are having a larger impact — a similar thrust to other recent research analyzing the policy decisions.

Also, this is a 2 yr study, paid mostly by a grant. I'm not a fan of UBI. I do think raising the minimum wage is a better way to deal with it. A UBI is basically government subsidizing businesses to not pay their workers more, which is basically helping the businesses stay afloat. However, raising wages can negatively impact small businesses. Larger ones are better able to absorb the increase in cost.

[Anonymous]

Montgomery County is good at only one thing: Identifying and implementing public policies that will accelerate its decline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

How many single mothers are there with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare? Our country already has many, many safety net programs for situations like this, including: Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, Earned Income Tax Credit, Section 8, Head First, subsidized cell phones, subsidized child care, Pell Grants, subsidized student loans, and on and on.

And a person who is working a minimum wage job is absolutely learning skills that can help her move up. Work at McDonalds? Move up to become a Shift Manager and then Assistant Manager. Use their scholarship program to take classes, etc.

Our entrenched underclass is not due to lack of a safety net. It is due to poor K-12 education, mental health problems, substance abuse, lack of work requirements and a continuing in-flow of uneducated immigrants.

DP... I can tell you don't know what it's like to be poor and have little kids. I grew up like this.

When do you think a single mother with young children has time to work FT, and take classes? Heck, I'm married with a higher income, and I would be too tired to take classes after working FT and dealing with little children. If I had to take public transport to/from my job, to get groceries, I would have zero energy to take classes at night. I spend the weekend now shuttling the kids around, running errands, and cooking for the coming week.

Low income typically have no access to laundry machines in their homes, so they spend the weekends or nights at the laundromat with their little kids.

I urge you to get involved with programs that deal with low income people. As the saying goes, being poor is expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

How many single mothers are there with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare? Our country already has many, many safety net programs for situations like this, including: Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, Earned Income Tax Credit, Section 8, Head First, subsidized cell phones, subsidized child care, Pell Grants, subsidized student loans, and on and on.

And a person who is working a minimum wage job is absolutely learning skills that can help her move up. Work at McDonalds? Move up to become a Shift Manager and then Assistant Manager. Use their scholarship program to take classes, etc.

Our entrenched underclass is not due to lack of a safety net. It is due to poor K-12 education, mental health problems, substance abuse, lack of work requirements and a continuing in-flow of uneducated immigrants.

DP... I can tell you don't know what it's like to be poor and have little kids. I grew up like this.

When do you think a single mother with young children has time to work FT, and take classes? Heck, I'm married with a higher income, and I would be too tired to take classes after working FT and dealing with little children. If I had to take public transport to/from my job, to get groceries, I would have zero energy to take classes at night. I spend the weekend now shuttling the kids around, running errands, and cooking for the coming week.

Low income typically have no access to laundry machines in their homes, so they spend the weekends or nights at the laundromat with their little kids.

I urge you to get involved with programs that deal with low income people. As the saying goes, being poor is expensive.

Don't underestimate the motivated. And don't underestimate the motivation of wanted better. Let them work toward success. Handouts ruin people and communities. Please have a heart and help them achieve independence. Stop sentencing them to your misguided beliefs. They deserve better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

How many single mothers are there with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare? Our country already has many, many safety net programs for situations like this, including: Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, Earned Income Tax Credit, Section 8, Head First, subsidized cell phones, subsidized child care, Pell Grants, subsidized student loans, and on and on.

And a person who is working a minimum wage job is absolutely learning skills that can help her move up. Work at McDonalds? Move up to become a Shift Manager and then Assistant Manager. Use their scholarship program to take classes, etc.

Our entrenched underclass is not due to lack of a safety net. It is due to poor K-12 education, mental health problems, substance abuse, lack of work requirements and a continuing in-flow of uneducated immigrants.

DP... I can tell you don't know what it's like to be poor and have little kids. I grew up like this.

When do you think a single mother with young children has time to work FT, and take classes? Heck, I'm married with a higher income, and I would be too tired to take classes after working FT and dealing with little children. If I had to take public transport to/from my job, to get groceries, I would have zero energy to take classes at night. I spend the weekend now shuttling the kids around, running errands, and cooking for the coming week.

Low income typically have no access to laundry machines in their homes, so they spend the weekends or nights at the laundromat with their little kids.

I urge you to get involved with programs that deal with low income people. As the saying goes, being poor is expensive.

Yes. I do think she can do it. Why don't you believe in her. Do you think she's too stupid? Can't mange her time? Or are you just racist?

[Anonymous]

They need to put this level of energy into attracting and retaining high paying jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Or local employers could just come up with competitive wages. Most people aren't going to drive a county over to get groceries or fast food.

If you don't want to work because you don't like the pay, fine. Just don't expect me to pay you while you sit at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

It sounds great to the upper income women of SSJC and JUFJ who want to be seen as the penultimate anti-racists.

When the county has to choose between funding this or something else in the HHS budget, like the supplement they provide to developmental disability providers (direct care workers), they won’t care one whit. Because helping the people who help our most fragile isn’t as sexy and headline grabbing as the trending UBI discussion.

I mean, HHS is forbidden from filling jobs to save about $8 million every year. The county already lacks sufficient tax revenue to deliver identified services. They discuss this year after year and how it impacts departmental performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County is good at only one thing: Identifying and implementing public policies that will accelerate its decline.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

How many single mothers are there with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare? Our country already has many, many safety net programs for situations like this, including: Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, Earned Income Tax Credit, Section 8, Head First, subsidized cell phones, subsidized child care, Pell Grants, subsidized student loans, and on and on.

And a person who is working a minimum wage job is absolutely learning skills that can help her move up. Work at McDonalds? Move up to become a Shift Manager and then Assistant Manager. Use their scholarship program to take classes, etc.

Our entrenched underclass is not due to lack of a safety net. It is due to poor K-12 education, mental health problems, substance abuse, lack of work requirements and a continuing in-flow of uneducated immigrants.

DP... I can tell you don't know what it's like to be poor and have little kids. I grew up like this.

When do you think a single mother with young children has time to work FT, and take classes? Heck, I'm married with a higher income, and I would be too tired to take classes after working FT and dealing with little children. If I had to take public transport to/from my job, to get groceries, I would have zero energy to take classes at night. I spend the weekend now shuttling the kids around, running errands, and cooking for the coming week.

Low income typically have no access to laundry machines in their homes, so they spend the weekends or nights at the laundromat with their little kids.

I urge you to get involved with programs that deal with low income people. As the saying goes, being poor is expensive.

Don't underestimate the motivated. And don't underestimate the motivation of wanted better. Let them work toward success. Handouts ruin people and communities. Please have a heart and help them achieve independence. Stop sentencing them to your misguided beliefs. They deserve better.

Yes to all of this.