Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

Maybe we should all put the comment on the maps

I do think Lees Corner families should post about Crossfield - whether it's send Crossfield to Skyview or send Crossfield to backfill South Lakes - as much as possible.

No one likes crossfield. They are the self absorbed and entitled RIO people.

Crossfield isn't one person. For that matter Rooted In Oakton isn't one person. There is a lot of misinformation on here. Some sounds like ill-informed assumptions, some comes off like more outright lies by someone very unhappy and disgruntled. The fact that parents (not just mothers, btw) advocated for their children to remain in their current boundary when the first set of maps blindsided them doesn't mean that they "threw anyone else under the bus." The conspiracy theories on here are insane. Recall that intially, Reid wanted to force moves of current 9th graders who had just started at their current schools. That lit a fire under many people and fortunately FCPS quickly came back with a phased approach. This new set of maps somehow seems to be even worse. Some shuffling of MS to improve alignment was to be expected. The massive ES shifts defy logic. I think we can all agree that these consultants did an awful job and their own presentation illustrates their failure to incorporate some of the central tenants of the boundary process. Instead of spending your time on here bashing other people with different opinions and priorities, start reaching out to the school board. If you've paid any attention these last few months, you've seen that there's a solid block on the SB that fails to prepare, doesn't engage meaningfully, consistently fawns over Reid and then votes together to put her whims above what the community wants.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

That sucks!

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Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Navy is an elementary school and Westfield is a high school. Do you mean that they are being pulled out of Oakton HS and being sent to Westfield?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Navy is an elementary school and Westfield is a high school. Do you mean that they are being pulled out of Oakton HS and being sent to Westfield?

They’d be pulled from Navy and sent to Lees Corner, which would then feed Franklin/Westfield. There are pieces of Oak Hill and Crossfield that are also reassigned to Lees Corner/Franklin/Westfield under scenarios 1 and 3.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
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Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?

That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?

That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

The same is happening to Oakton in scenario 3. They are taking away high SES schools and Oakton enrollment will fall significantly.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

That's nasty. The Westfield families seem reasonable and don't whine on here. No need to stick them with the RIO jerks.

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Anonymous wrote:Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

It does seem like this would make the most people happy. Are the numbers workable, though?

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids from the Lees Corner neighborhoods cross Route 50 on foot to get to Chantilly HS? Just wondering

I do see kids walking/riding bikes from Stringfellow. (We’re too far to do it, but yes some kids cross 50 😬)

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I’m out of the loop and need help catching up. Are there new boundary maps besides the initial four?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

That's nasty. The Westfield families seem reasonable and don't whine on here. No need to stick them with the RIO jerks.

You have a point.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m out of the loop and need help catching up. Are there new boundary maps besides the initial four?

Yes at the very very last minute the geniuses at FCPS thought it would be cute to roll out brand new boundary maps redistricting everyone down to elementary schools. Pure insanity.