Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

[Anonymous]

If there was another complaint against Justin, we would know by now.

[Anonymous]

What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

Clarification: I meant the video shows she’s the one who says they should be talking in the scene.

[Anonymous]

I’m very curious about actor-turned-director projects going forward especially as there seems to be more of them lately. I feel like there’s a lack of respect in the dynamic and things get amplified because the directors are so much more visible, even a CW star like Justin. Also see: the Don’t Worry Darling drama. I was on Florence Pugh’s side but I doubt she would have pulled what she did if she were working with an established director and not Olivia Wilde.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

We see the footage from the takes but not what happens before or in between.

According to Baldoni, Lively wanted the characters to be talking to each other in the scene, which she thought would be more reflective of what it would look like for the characters to fall in love. The footage he's released shows three long takes. In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

However in the subsequent two takes shown in the footage, Lively is talking significantly less, and is doing more of what Baldoni seems to have wanted, which is to look at each other and be affectionate. She still talks some, but not nearly as much as in the first take.

The moment in question, where he says "it smells good", happens in the third and last take, which is also the one where Lively is speaking the least. In fact Baldoni is the one who initiates the conversation where it happens, saying "I'm probably getting my beard all over you," prompting Lively to say, "I'm probably getting spray tan all over you," which is when Baldoni says, "it smells good."

Based on Baldoni's own account, it seems highly likely that Lively was given the direction NOT to talk during filming so that they could get shots of the two not talking. So for him to then initiate a not-in-character conversation after telling her not to talk, and not only that but to say something that would be inappropriate for him to say while not in character, would be extra frustrating. Lively's not allowed to talk but he is? I think the conflict here is very much related to what was obviously a power struggle between the two of them and this is an instance where Livley lost the power struggle and felt he took advantage of that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

We see the footage from the takes but not what happens before or in between.

According to Baldoni, Lively wanted the characters to be talking to each other in the scene, which she thought would be more reflective of what it would look like for the characters to fall in love. The footage he's released shows three long takes. In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

However in the subsequent two takes shown in the footage, Lively is talking significantly less, and is doing more of what Baldoni seems to have wanted, which is to look at each other and be affectionate. She still talks some, but not nearly as much as in the first take.

The moment in question, where he says "it smells good", happens in the third and last take, which is also the one where Lively is speaking the least. In fact Baldoni is the one who initiates the conversation where it happens, saying "I'm probably getting my beard all over you," prompting Lively to say, "I'm probably getting spray tan all over you," which is when Baldoni says, "it smells good."

Based on Baldoni's own account, it seems highly likely that Lively was given the direction NOT to talk during filming so that they could get shots of the two not talking. So for him to then initiate a not-in-character conversation after telling her not to talk, and not only that but to say something that would be inappropriate for him to say while not in character, would be extra frustrating. Lively's not allowed to talk but he is? I think the conflict here is very much related to what was obviously a power struggle between the two of them and this is an instance where Livley lost the power struggle and felt he took advantage of that.

Except Blake was given a chance to respond to the footage’s release and didn’t say any of this which would have bolstered what she initially said. She goes with the contradictory psychological argument.

[Anonymous]

Whether or not Justin is guilty, I’m confused why Blake’s team hasn’t tried harder to do a counter campaign to actually make her likable.

They should’ve had her apologize to that journalist who complimented her baby bump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of whether Blake’s claims have merit, it t is always a steep climb for any woman to go up against a man when it comes to SH.

That’s why I’m truly puzzled by why her team did this and why the NYT did what they did.

I think when everybody read the article there was the feeling that she must have a lot and maybe more women had agreed to come forward. I can’t really think of a case in the last few years since Me Too where it wasn’t multiple women.

I’m in no way saying this should be the standard, I’m just saying this is sort of the reality that we live in. And no one should really be surprised by that.

So I don’t understand why her team thought this was a good idea. I think they felt really pushed into a corner by the smear campaign, but even that seems tenuous. It seems like a lot of that press generated naturally. There’s a lot of money in getting click bait around Blake and Ryan. That works great when things are going well and not so great when there’s a scandal. But it is what it is. I’m not convinced the Baldoni PR team, as chaotic and disturbing as their framing was, actually did anything illegal. Seems like a lot of bluster to make sure their client felt they were doing something. But I’m not sure that it was illegal.

And then this whole sexual harassment just makes everything messier, because it’s just very hard to get the public to be on your side about that as we well know.

And to be fair, even if you strongly believe Blake, I think you have to admit some of the sexual harassment claims are somewhat tenuous. I just read an interview with an intimacy coordinator, not the one who worked on this film, that said she was strongly leaning toward being on Blake’s side because Blake seemed uncomfortable during the dancing scene, but that in no way is it a standard for an IC to be on set for that type of scene. She said it’s usually when sex is being simulated and or there is nudity. Not for a dancing scene. She did say that if Blake felt uncomfortable, and she thought that she did, it would be appropriate to possibly ask the intimacy coordinator to step in, or at the least, have the actress and actor lay out some ground rules about whether or not there would be kissing.

But even that scene is just not a slam dunk, and shows how there was different context and nuance going on for both of them.

I guess I’m wondering if we’re going to start having women come forward, or if there is more damning information coming out on him.

They thought that they would get headlines about her being a victim and perhaps get a settlement. They did not expect Baldoni to go toe to toe with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

We see the footage from the takes but not what happens before or in between.

According to Baldoni, Lively wanted the characters to be talking to each other in the scene, which she thought would be more reflective of what it would look like for the characters to fall in love. The footage he's released shows three long takes. In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

However in the subsequent two takes shown in the footage, Lively is talking significantly less, and is doing more of what Baldoni seems to have wanted, which is to look at each other and be affectionate. She still talks some, but not nearly as much as in the first take.

The moment in question, where he says "it smells good", happens in the third and last take, which is also the one where Lively is speaking the least. In fact Baldoni is the one who initiates the conversation where it happens, saying "I'm probably getting my beard all over you," prompting Lively to say, "I'm probably getting spray tan all over you," which is when Baldoni says, "it smells good."

Based on Baldoni's own account, it seems highly likely that Lively was given the direction NOT to talk during filming so that they could get shots of the two not talking. So for him to then initiate a not-in-character conversation after telling her not to talk, and not only that but to say something that would be inappropriate for him to say while not in character, would be extra frustrating. Lively's not allowed to talk but he is? I think the conflict here is very much related to what was obviously a power struggle between the two of them and this is an instance where Livley lost the power struggle and felt he took advantage of that.

Except Blake was given a chance to respond to the footage’s release and didn’t say any of this which would have bolstered what she initially said. She goes with the contradictory psychological argument.

They issued a statement, it's not like we saw Lively speak at length about the shoot. And I'm not saying this is exactly what happened, just nothing that footage does not actually show us everything that happened and we don't know what was said between takes. At the point in the footage where Baldoni says the thing that Lively took issue with, she is really not talking much at all.

But this is why it makes more sense to look at evidence via normal discovery instead of releasing it in dribs and drabs to the press. In discovery you could depose Lively or get a statement from her on the footage Baldoni has released. You could also depose Baldoni or, usefully, one of the other people on the set who might have a less biased account of what happened. You could get to the truth of what happened. But releasing footage that shows us some but not all of what happened on the set that day does not help us get to the truth. It forces us to guess. There is no reason to guess -- people actually do know what happened and this footage is one piece, though incomplete, of the picture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

If you research borderline personality disorder it will make sense. borderline is a kind of thought disorder - once she has “split” him to be evil and bad, she literally believes that everything he does is intended to hurt her and they way she feels reflects reality.

Now you are arguing out of nowhere, with no support other than your own apparently wild imagination, that Lively has a mental illness. So that’s nice. I reported this comment but if it stays up, fyi, this is either unfounded random speculation or, alternatively, could be textbook astroturfing. (Astroturfing: You have people comment on websites to make up untrue sh!t about people who are attacking your client — stuff that has no connection to reality — in an effort to turn public opinion against your target.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

We see the footage from the takes but not what happens before or in between.

According to Baldoni, Lively wanted the characters to be talking to each other in the scene, which she thought would be more reflective of what it would look like for the characters to fall in love. The footage he's released shows three long takes. In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

However in the subsequent two takes shown in the footage, Lively is talking significantly less, and is doing more of what Baldoni seems to have wanted, which is to look at each other and be affectionate. She still talks some, but not nearly as much as in the first take.

The moment in question, where he says "it smells good", happens in the third and last take, which is also the one where Lively is speaking the least. In fact Baldoni is the one who initiates the conversation where it happens, saying "I'm probably getting my beard all over you," prompting Lively to say, "I'm probably getting spray tan all over you," which is when Baldoni says, "it smells good."

Based on Baldoni's own account, it seems highly likely that Lively was given the direction NOT to talk during filming so that they could get shots of the two not talking. So for him to then initiate a not-in-character conversation after telling her not to talk, and not only that but to say something that would be inappropriate for him to say while not in character, would be extra frustrating. Lively's not allowed to talk but he is? I think the conflict here is very much related to what was obviously a power struggle between the two of them and this is an instance where Livley lost the power struggle and felt he took advantage of that.

Except Blake was given a chance to respond to the footage’s release and didn’t say any of this which would have bolstered what she initially said. She goes with the contradictory psychological argument.

They issued a statement, it's not like we saw Lively speak at length about the shoot. And I'm not saying this is exactly what happened, just nothing that footage does not actually show us everything that happened and we don't know what was said between takes. At the point in the footage where Baldoni says the thing that Lively took issue with, she is really not talking much at all.

But this is why it makes more sense to look at evidence via normal discovery instead of releasing it in dribs and drabs to the press. In discovery you could depose Lively or get a statement from her on the footage Baldoni has released. You could also depose Baldoni or, usefully, one of the other people on the set who might have a less biased account of what happened. You could get to the truth of what happened. But releasing footage that shows us some but not all of what happened on the set that day does not help us get to the truth. It forces us to guess. There is no reason to guess -- people actually do know what happened and this footage is one piece, though incomplete, of the picture.

Right, which is why we’ll have to keep circling back to the beginning: Blake leaked the document to the Times and cooperated with them to repair her image and harm Justin’s, which is why Justin is doing all of this in the first place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

I don’t remember Blake providing this level of analysis in the video at all lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether or not Justin is guilty, I’m confused why Blake’s team hasn’t tried harder to do a counter campaign to actually make her likable.

They should’ve had her apologize to that journalist who complimented her baby bump.

Her PR sucks, that much is abundantly clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

We see the footage from the takes but not what happens before or in between.

According to Baldoni, Lively wanted the characters to be talking to each other in the scene, which she thought would be more reflective of what it would look like for the characters to fall in love. The footage he's released shows three long takes. In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

However in the subsequent two takes shown in the footage, Lively is talking significantly less, and is doing more of what Baldoni seems to have wanted, which is to look at each other and be affectionate. She still talks some, but not nearly as much as in the first take.

The moment in question, where he says "it smells good", happens in the third and last take, which is also the one where Lively is speaking the least. In fact Baldoni is the one who initiates the conversation where it happens, saying "I'm probably getting my beard all over you," prompting Lively to say, "I'm probably getting spray tan all over you," which is when Baldoni says, "it smells good."

Based on Baldoni's own account, it seems highly likely that Lively was given the direction NOT to talk during filming so that they could get shots of the two not talking. So for him to then initiate a not-in-character conversation after telling her not to talk, and not only that but to say something that would be inappropriate for him to say while not in character, would be extra frustrating. Lively's not allowed to talk but he is? I think the conflict here is very much related to what was obviously a power struggle between the two of them and this is an instance where Livley lost the power struggle and felt he took advantage of that.

Except Blake was given a chance to respond to the footage’s release and didn’t say any of this which would have bolstered what she initially said. She goes with the contradictory psychological argument.

They issued a statement, it's not like we saw Lively speak at length about the shoot. And I'm not saying this is exactly what happened, just nothing that footage does not actually show us everything that happened and we don't know what was said between takes. At the point in the footage where Baldoni says the thing that Lively took issue with, she is really not talking much at all.

But this is why it makes more sense to look at evidence via normal discovery instead of releasing it in dribs and drabs to the press. In discovery you could depose Lively or get a statement from her on the footage Baldoni has released. You could also depose Baldoni or, usefully, one of the other people on the set who might have a less biased account of what happened. You could get to the truth of what happened. But releasing footage that shows us some but not all of what happened on the set that day does not help us get to the truth. It forces us to guess. There is no reason to guess -- people actually do know what happened and this footage is one piece, though incomplete, of the picture.

Blake does not want a normal legal proceeding, she fought back in the press to help her image so now Justin is too. What’s not clicking?

[Anonymous]

I just want to highlight that according to Lively's complaint, the conflict between Baldoni and Lively (and Wayfarer and Lively) started almost immediately during the filming of the movie.

This is the timeline of the first two days of shooting, according to her complaint:

Day 1
- Shooting scenes of Lively that depict the aftermath of abuse of her character by Lively's character
- Paparazzi get photos of Lively in costume and these are posted online
- Online commentary criticizes the costuming in these scenes and is critical of Lively's figure, saying she looks overweight

Day 2
- Baldoni goes to Lively's trailer to discuss this incident. Narratives diverge as to how this meeting went, but they don't dispute it happened and that it was in Lively's trailer.
- According to Lively, this meeting delayed shooting of what she describes as an "emotional scene" and she claims it was shot haphazardly.
- On this same day, Lively says she made a complaint to Wayfarer about Baldoni's behavior in that meeting in her trailer and requested a meeting to address it.
- Lively says that rather than schedule the meeting, Jamey Heath came into the makeup trailer where Lively was topless while makeup artists removed body makeup from her torso, to discuss the issues with her meeting with Baldoni. She says she asked if he would wait outside and he wouldn't, and that she asked him to look away and he didn't. Baldoni's complaint mostly confirms this narrative but says Lively was not actually bothered by this and joked about it later.

But the point is that this is supposed to have happened ON THE SECOND DAY OF FILMING.

That's how toxic this set was. By the end of the second day of filming, there was a PR crisis over Lively's costuming due to paparazzi shots and online criticism, the director apparently cried in the stars trailer, the star complained to the production company that the director was inappropriate while he was in her trailer, and one of the executive producers walked in on the star topless in the makeup trailer with a dispute over whether he copped a peak at her or not.

Regardless of whose version of events you think is more truthful, that is an absolutely nightmare set and it should help highlight why both sides are digging in so hard here -- these people HATE each other and the couldn't even go 48 hours without major inter-personal issues.