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Why is Blake Lively so overrated?
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Anonymous
Internal monologue: "So wait, TJ Miller is too problematic to trust his character assessments of other actors? *strokes chin thoughtfully, googles furiously* Okay hear me out: Michael Bay." |
Anonymous
But Baldoni & Co. hired Lively for the movie, not the other way around. What you are saying here makes it sound like Lively and Reynolds went out looking for an inexperienced director so that Lively could sign onto a movie with him, then accuse him of harassment when the production was a little sloppy, and then they could destroy him in the press. That makes no sense. Lively obviously had a vested interest in this movie being successful when she agreed to star in it. She had no reason to set out to undermine Baldoni or stir up controversy on the set, as this could only hurt the film to which she is now linked professionally. The power imbalance threw me as well but now I can see it going two ways. Especially watching that footage of them both on set -- I don't get the sense at all that Lively was in a power position or was running things. I see her pushing back against what Baldoni wants, but it doesn't come off as powerful at all. It comes off as kind of whiny and like they are just humoring her while they do what they want. It was their movie. I'm not seeing much if any deference being given to her. He seems visibly irritated with her and there is borderline open animosity between them. |
Anonymous
Exactly. It would be an effective way to indicate someone was actually a really good person. "Hey, did you know multiple men well known to be sexist a$$holes dislike Ryan Reynolds? Interesting." |
Anonymous
I wouldn't describe it that way. They lean in for a shot with their foreheads together and then she kind of breaks, laughing because it feels awkward for her (which it likely is awkward -- it's one of those things people do in a movie or TV show that looks romantic in theory but if you did it in real life would be like "this is dumb"). She says "it's just very... nosey" and then HE says "it's because my nose is so big." She isnt' saying his nose is big and I took her comment to mean the it just feels awkward to press your noses and foreheads together. She does then jump in on joking about his nose a little more enthusiastically than is polite (and you can tell he hates it) but she does not actually start the commentary. He is the one to say his nose is big. The main thing I got from that part of the video, actually, is that Justin Baldoni is very, very sensitive about his nose. |
Anonymous
Yeah, the way he was looking at her at the end of the nose discussion felt like the origin story for a Marvel villain. He did not like that. I think it was rather mean of Lively to say that. But he did physically step back and give her the distance she had been asking for since they started rolling, so it achieved the mission. |
Anonymous
Um, I never said it was a grand conspiracy from the start. I think they made moves along the way definitely to leverage her power in a way they wouldn’t have if say this was a big production with a renowned director. She literally texted him that she knows she’s being a ball buster. Extremely unprofessional and dismissive of him. |
Anonymous
She was making fun of both their noses. She also had rhinoplasty to reduce hee nose, so I don't see it as shaming either. |
Anonymous
| Look up Candace Owens and Justin Baldoni on Reddit. She has tea about how Ryan got jealous of Justin and went to the set and demanded to see the dailies. He was jealous about thw flirtation between Baldoni and Blake and got pissed off. Then Ryan inserted himself by taking over the film and re-writing scenes. |
Anonymous
Agreed, and this is why I find that footage kind of a wash in terms of who it helps. My overall impression is that they do not like each other, she is uncomfortable with the amount of touching/kissing he's doing, but also she tries to address that mostly in passive aggressive ways like saying she thinks the characters would be talking, or laughing when he leans in close, or saying the mean stuff about his nose which definitely read to me as an effort to piss him off. It's not as clear cut as either of their complaints' paint it -- she *is* uncomfortable but I could also see how he might not pick up on that because she's technically smiling (as a woman this is such a double-edged sword -- I feel like we are conditioned to smile and laugh when men make us uncomfortable because we don't want to hurt their feelings, but this makes it harder for them to understand when their behavior is crossing a line) and she's doing other things that I can see him being justifiably frustrated by in a professional context. I don't look at it and think "that's sexual harassment!" but I do get an uneasy feeling while watching it, like this working relationship sucks and I wonder what else is going on to make her so eager to get away from him and make him so visibly angry/annoyed at her. It raises more questions for me than it answers. |
Anonymous
This has already been posted and laughed at, please stop. Candace Owens is not a reliable source for anything, much less Hollywood gossip. Good lord. |
Anonymous
"Wait, wait, no: Candace Owens. Surely CANDACE OWENS will convince them." 
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Anonymous
I am not trying to convince "them," whoever "they" are. I am pointing out different discussions about the situation. |
Anonymous
DP. Okay, well no one here cares about the opinions of TJ Miller, Michael Bay, or Candace Owens. Go find a reputable source and then get back to us. But wait until after school. You shouldn't be on your phone this much in class, anyway. We are all rooting for you to graduate on time, buddy! |
Anonymous
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If you were locked in a room without internet access and needed to pick three people to speak at a conference in support of men’s rights issues, could you pick a better, weirder threesome than TJ Miller, Michael Bay, and Candace Owens? I would be hard pressed to try. If this where the Baldoni crew are getting their news and information from, I can understand why they are going so hard for this dude.
Like PP, I almost question whether these posts are jokes or trolls. And then they double down! Surely this person is not really advocating the words they are typing. |
Anonymous
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Regardless of whether Blake’s claims have merit, it t is always a steep climb for any woman to go up against a man when it comes to SH.
That’s why I’m truly puzzled by why her team did this and why the NYT did what they did. I think when everybody read the article there was the feeling that she must have a lot and maybe more women had agreed to come forward. I can’t really think of a case in the last few years since Me Too where it wasn’t multiple women. I’m in no way saying this should be the standard, I’m just saying this is sort of the reality that we live in. And no one should really be surprised by that. So I don’t understand why her team thought this was a good idea. I think they felt really pushed into a corner by the smear campaign, but even that seems tenuous. It seems like a lot of that press generated naturally. There’s a lot of money in getting click bait around Blake and Ryan. That works great when things are going well and not so great when there’s a scandal. But it is what it is. I’m not convinced the Baldoni PR team, as chaotic and disturbing as their framing was, actually did anything illegal. Seems like a lot of bluster to make sure their client felt they were doing something. But I’m not sure that it was illegal. And then this whole sexual harassment just makes everything messier, because it’s just very hard to get the public to be on your side about that as we well know. And to be fair, even if you strongly believe Blake, I think you have to admit some of the sexual harassment claims are somewhat tenuous. I just read an interview with an intimacy coordinator, not the one who worked on this film, that said she was strongly leaning toward being on Blake’s side because Blake seemed uncomfortable during the dancing scene, but that in no way is it a standard for an IC to be on set for that type of scene. She said it’s usually when sex is being simulated and or there is nudity. Not for a dancing scene. She did say that if Blake felt uncomfortable, and she thought that she did, it would be appropriate to possibly ask the intimacy coordinator to step in, or at the least, have the actress and actor lay out some ground rules about whether or not there would be kissing. But even that scene is just not a slam dunk, and shows how there was different context and nuance going on for both of them. I guess I’m wondering if we’re going to start having women come forward, or if there is more damning information coming out on him. |