Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

I don’t remember Blake providing this level of analysis in the video at all lol

Literally this is what Blake says IN the video. It's not analysis, it's just a narrative description of what is happening in the first take of the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just want to highlight that according to Lively's complaint, the conflict between Baldoni and Lively (and Wayfarer and Lively) started almost immediately during the filming of the movie.

This is the timeline of the first two days of shooting, according to her complaint:

Day 1
- Shooting scenes of Lively that depict the aftermath of abuse of her character by Lively's character
- Paparazzi get photos of Lively in costume and these are posted online
- Online commentary criticizes the costuming in these scenes and is critical of Lively's figure, saying she looks overweight

Day 2
- Baldoni goes to Lively's trailer to discuss this incident. Narratives diverge as to how this meeting went, but they don't dispute it happened and that it was in Lively's trailer.
- According to Lively, this meeting delayed shooting of what she describes as an "emotional scene" and she claims it was shot haphazardly.
- On this same day, Lively says she made a complaint to Wayfarer about Baldoni's behavior in that meeting in her trailer and requested a meeting to address it.
- Lively says that rather than schedule the meeting, Jamey Heath came into the makeup trailer where Lively was topless while makeup artists removed body makeup from her torso, to discuss the issues with her meeting with Baldoni. She says she asked if he would wait outside and he wouldn't, and that she asked him to look away and he didn't. Baldoni's complaint mostly confirms this narrative but says Lively was not actually bothered by this and joked about it later.

But the point is that this is supposed to have happened ON THE SECOND DAY OF FILMING.

That's how toxic this set was. By the end of the second day of filming, there was a PR crisis over Lively's costuming due to paparazzi shots and online criticism, the director apparently cried in the stars trailer, the star complained to the production company that the director was inappropriate while he was in her trailer, and one of the executive producers walked in on the star topless in the makeup trailer with a dispute over whether he copped a peak at her or not.

Regardless of whose version of events you think is more truthful, that is an absolutely nightmare set and it should help highlight why both sides are digging in so hard here -- these people HATE each other and the couldn't even go 48 hours without major inter-personal issues.

It started even before filming. The fat shaming incident began pre-production

[Anonymous]

Had not realized all that happened on Day 1 and Day 2. That is rather A LOT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just want to highlight that according to Lively's complaint, the conflict between Baldoni and Lively (and Wayfarer and Lively) started almost immediately during the filming of the movie.

This is the timeline of the first two days of shooting, according to her complaint:

Day 1
- Shooting scenes of Lively that depict the aftermath of abuse of her character by Lively's character
- Paparazzi get photos of Lively in costume and these are posted online
- Online commentary criticizes the costuming in these scenes and is critical of Lively's figure, saying she looks overweight

Day 2
- Baldoni goes to Lively's trailer to discuss this incident. Narratives diverge as to how this meeting went, but they don't dispute it happened and that it was in Lively's trailer.
- According to Lively, this meeting delayed shooting of what she describes as an "emotional scene" and she claims it was shot haphazardly.
- On this same day, Lively says she made a complaint to Wayfarer about Baldoni's behavior in that meeting in her trailer and requested a meeting to address it.
- Lively says that rather than schedule the meeting, Jamey Heath came into the makeup trailer where Lively was topless while makeup artists removed body makeup from her torso, to discuss the issues with her meeting with Baldoni. She says she asked if he would wait outside and he wouldn't, and that she asked him to look away and he didn't. Baldoni's complaint mostly confirms this narrative but says Lively was not actually bothered by this and joked about it later.

But the point is that this is supposed to have happened ON THE SECOND DAY OF FILMING.

That's how toxic this set was. By the end of the second day of filming, there was a PR crisis over Lively's costuming due to paparazzi shots and online criticism, the director apparently cried in the stars trailer, the star complained to the production company that the director was inappropriate while he was in her trailer, and one of the executive producers walked in on the star topless in the makeup trailer with a dispute over whether he copped a peak at her or not.

Regardless of whose version of events you think is more truthful, that is an absolutely nightmare set and it should help highlight why both sides are digging in so hard here -- these people HATE each other and the couldn't even go 48 hours without major inter-personal issues.

Why would Blake be upset about pictures in herself in costume? She’s bragged all over the media about what a great job she did picking out the wardrobe.

PS Literally nothing in these paragraphs sounds remotely like a nightmare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just want to highlight that according to Lively's complaint, the conflict between Baldoni and Lively (and Wayfarer and Lively) started almost immediately during the filming of the movie.

This is the timeline of the first two days of shooting, according to her complaint:

Day 1
- Shooting scenes of Lively that depict the aftermath of abuse of her character by Lively's character
- Paparazzi get photos of Lively in costume and these are posted online
- Online commentary criticizes the costuming in these scenes and is critical of Lively's figure, saying she looks overweight

Day 2
- Baldoni goes to Lively's trailer to discuss this incident. Narratives diverge as to how this meeting went, but they don't dispute it happened and that it was in Lively's trailer.
- According to Lively, this meeting delayed shooting of what she describes as an "emotional scene" and she claims it was shot haphazardly.
- On this same day, Lively says she made a complaint to Wayfarer about Baldoni's behavior in that meeting in her trailer and requested a meeting to address it.
- Lively says that rather than schedule the meeting, Jamey Heath came into the makeup trailer where Lively was topless while makeup artists removed body makeup from her torso, to discuss the issues with her meeting with Baldoni. She says she asked if he would wait outside and he wouldn't, and that she asked him to look away and he didn't. Baldoni's complaint mostly confirms this narrative but says Lively was not actually bothered by this and joked about it later.

But the point is that this is supposed to have happened ON THE SECOND DAY OF FILMING.

That's how toxic this set was. By the end of the second day of filming, there was a PR crisis over Lively's costuming due to paparazzi shots and online criticism, the director apparently cried in the stars trailer, the star complained to the production company that the director was inappropriate while he was in her trailer, and one of the executive producers walked in on the star topless in the makeup trailer with a dispute over whether he copped a peak at her or not.

Regardless of whose version of events you think is more truthful, that is an absolutely nightmare set and it should help highlight why both sides are digging in so hard here -- these people HATE each other and the couldn't even go 48 hours without major inter-personal issues.

But the crisis around lilys costumes and age was not Baldoni‘s fault. Fans took those pictures and leaked them. I was following this pretty closely from the beginning and I didn’t see any criticism of Blake’s weight? Only about her ridiculous outfits and how she was too old for the character.

Anyway, her outfits were really ridiculous and people did not like them. That was part of Justin‘s complaint, she wasn’t supposed to have full wardrobe control. But either way, that’s not really the production team‘s fault that fans were being nasty. Yes I’m sure it created drama. They were shooting in a very public place in New York, fans were going to find them.

Regardless, we don’t know who to believe because Baldoni‘s description of their meeting in her trailer was very different, and it sounded like they were still getting along then, and she complimented him on what a great job he was doing. I’m not convinced that things fell apart that quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whether or not Justin is guilty, I’m confused why Blake’s team hasn’t tried harder to do a counter campaign to actually make her likable.

They should’ve had her apologize to that journalist who complimented her baby bump.

Her PR sucks, that much is abundantly clear.

X1000 but ultimately it all goes back to what they are working with.

[Anonymous]

It’s pretty clear though that things were chaotic in part due to Blake as well as Justin. We haven’t talked about the whole nudity rider issue, but maybe we should. I will admit I skimmed over that part because it was really boring in Justin‘s complaint. But from what I understand, they were handing wringing over her not getting the nudity rider signed and back to them. It seems like that was taking forever. Maybe her team wanted to adjust it, which is totally their right, but it seemed like it went days and days without being done.

It makes no sense - if you are Blake‘s lawyer and she’s actively working on a movie that has love scenes you should probably prioritize that. Not clear why it took them so long. I guess they could’ve stopped filming, but they only had a $25 million budget, I’m sure most of that went to salaries, and they were filming in New York, which is like the most expensive place to shoot a film. I’m sure they didn’t have a ton of extra budget. It sounds like she created some of that stress. Maybe they could’ve handled it better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whether or not Justin is guilty, I’m confused why Blake’s team hasn’t tried harder to do a counter campaign to actually make her likable.

They should’ve had her apologize to that journalist who complimented her baby bump.

Her PR sucks, that much is abundantly clear.

PR can't create what isn't there. Blake comes off as condescending and rude in many of her public interactions. She is who she is

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to highlight that according to Lively's complaint, the conflict between Baldoni and Lively (and Wayfarer and Lively) started almost immediately during the filming of the movie.

This is the timeline of the first two days of shooting, according to her complaint:

Day 1
- Shooting scenes of Lively that depict the aftermath of abuse of her character by Lively's character
- Paparazzi get photos of Lively in costume and these are posted online
- Online commentary criticizes the costuming in these scenes and is critical of Lively's figure, saying she looks overweight

Day 2
- Baldoni goes to Lively's trailer to discuss this incident. Narratives diverge as to how this meeting went, but they don't dispute it happened and that it was in Lively's trailer.
- According to Lively, this meeting delayed shooting of what she describes as an "emotional scene" and she claims it was shot haphazardly.
- On this same day, Lively says she made a complaint to Wayfarer about Baldoni's behavior in that meeting in her trailer and requested a meeting to address it.
- Lively says that rather than schedule the meeting, Jamey Heath came into the makeup trailer where Lively was topless while makeup artists removed body makeup from her torso, to discuss the issues with her meeting with Baldoni. She says she asked if he would wait outside and he wouldn't, and that she asked him to look away and he didn't. Baldoni's complaint mostly confirms this narrative but says Lively was not actually bothered by this and joked about it later.

But the point is that this is supposed to have happened ON THE SECOND DAY OF FILMING.

That's how toxic this set was. By the end of the second day of filming, there was a PR crisis over Lively's costuming due to paparazzi shots and online criticism, the director apparently cried in the stars trailer, the star complained to the production company that the director was inappropriate while he was in her trailer, and one of the executive producers walked in on the star topless in the makeup trailer with a dispute over whether he copped a peak at her or not.

Regardless of whose version of events you think is more truthful, that is an absolutely nightmare set and it should help highlight why both sides are digging in so hard here -- these people HATE each other and the couldn't even go 48 hours without major inter-personal issues.

Why would Blake be upset about pictures in herself in costume? She’s bragged all over the media about what a great job she did picking out the wardrobe.

PS Literally nothing in these paragraphs sounds remotely like a nightmare.

PP here. There's no indication Lively was upset about the photographs. Both complaints indicate that it was Baldoni who was upset about the photos. Lively's complaint says that Lively pointed out that the photos were taken of her in costume for scenes where her character has just been abused by her partner, so it makes sense the character looks disheveled and not at her best. It was Baldoni et al who were concerned about it.

And agree to disagree on whether this sounds like a nightmare. I think regardless of who you believe, this is an insane amount of conflict for the first two days of filming. Then fact that Lively was complaining to Wayfarere about Baldoni's behavior toward her on Day 2 is a really bad sign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What gets me is something else Blake lied about in her complaint that I don’t see being discussed: the fact that she tries to bolster her point by saying Justin was being creepy because he was not supposed to be talking at all. She’s the one who says they should be talking.

I understand victims’ recollections are imperfect but the inaccuracy is so odd. I feel like if she were talking to get him to stop being physical she would have remembered the psychology behind her actions at the time.

We see the footage from the takes but not what happens before or in between.

According to Baldoni, Lively wanted the characters to be talking to each other in the scene, which she thought would be more reflective of what it would look like for the characters to fall in love. The footage he's released shows three long takes. In the first, Lively is talking a lot and you hear her talking specifically about this, how she thinks it makes sense for the characters and will help the audience understand how her character winds up with a guy who has a lot of red flags, if they are seen connecting via talking.

However in the subsequent two takes shown in the footage, Lively is talking significantly less, and is doing more of what Baldoni seems to have wanted, which is to look at each other and be affectionate. She still talks some, but not nearly as much as in the first take.

The moment in question, where he says "it smells good", happens in the third and last take, which is also the one where Lively is speaking the least. In fact Baldoni is the one who initiates the conversation where it happens, saying "I'm probably getting my beard all over you," prompting Lively to say, "I'm probably getting spray tan all over you," which is when Baldoni says, "it smells good."

Based on Baldoni's own account, it seems highly likely that Lively was given the direction NOT to talk during filming so that they could get shots of the two not talking. So for him to then initiate a not-in-character conversation after telling her not to talk, and not only that but to say something that would be inappropriate for him to say while not in character, would be extra frustrating. Lively's not allowed to talk but he is? I think the conflict here is very much related to what was obviously a power struggle between the two of them and this is an instance where Livley lost the power struggle and felt he took advantage of that.

Except Blake was given a chance to respond to the footage’s release and didn’t say any of this which would have bolstered what she initially said. She goes with the contradictory psychological argument.

They issued a statement, it's not like we saw Lively speak at length about the shoot. And I'm not saying this is exactly what happened, just nothing that footage does not actually show us everything that happened and we don't know what was said between takes. At the point in the footage where Baldoni says the thing that Lively took issue with, she is really not talking much at all.

But this is why it makes more sense to look at evidence via normal discovery instead of releasing it in dribs and drabs to the press. In discovery you could depose Lively or get a statement from her on the footage Baldoni has released. You could also depose Baldoni or, usefully, one of the other people on the set who might have a less biased account of what happened. You could get to the truth of what happened. But releasing footage that shows us some but not all of what happened on the set that day does not help us get to the truth. It forces us to guess. There is no reason to guess -- people actually do know what happened and this footage is one piece, though incomplete, of the picture.

“Normal discovery”? are you under the impression that DCUM is a court of law? lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to highlight that according to Lively's complaint, the conflict between Baldoni and Lively (and Wayfarer and Lively) started almost immediately during the filming of the movie.

This is the timeline of the first two days of shooting, according to her complaint:

Day 1
- Shooting scenes of Lively that depict the aftermath of abuse of her character by Lively's character
- Paparazzi get photos of Lively in costume and these are posted online
- Online commentary criticizes the costuming in these scenes and is critical of Lively's figure, saying she looks overweight

Day 2
- Baldoni goes to Lively's trailer to discuss this incident. Narratives diverge as to how this meeting went, but they don't dispute it happened and that it was in Lively's trailer.
- According to Lively, this meeting delayed shooting of what she describes as an "emotional scene" and she claims it was shot haphazardly.
- On this same day, Lively says she made a complaint to Wayfarer about Baldoni's behavior in that meeting in her trailer and requested a meeting to address it.
- Lively says that rather than schedule the meeting, Jamey Heath came into the makeup trailer where Lively was topless while makeup artists removed body makeup from her torso, to discuss the issues with her meeting with Baldoni. She says she asked if he would wait outside and he wouldn't, and that she asked him to look away and he didn't. Baldoni's complaint mostly confirms this narrative but says Lively was not actually bothered by this and joked about it later.

But the point is that this is supposed to have happened ON THE SECOND DAY OF FILMING.

That's how toxic this set was. By the end of the second day of filming, there was a PR crisis over Lively's costuming due to paparazzi shots and online criticism, the director apparently cried in the stars trailer, the star complained to the production company that the director was inappropriate while he was in her trailer, and one of the executive producers walked in on the star topless in the makeup trailer with a dispute over whether he copped a peak at her or not.

Regardless of whose version of events you think is more truthful, that is an absolutely nightmare set and it should help highlight why both sides are digging in so hard here -- these people HATE each other and the couldn't even go 48 hours without major inter-personal issues.

Why would Blake be upset about pictures in herself in costume? She’s bragged all over the media about what a great job she did picking out the wardrobe.

PS Literally nothing in these paragraphs sounds remotely like a nightmare.

PP here. There's no indication Lively was upset about the photographs. Both complaints indicate that it was Baldoni who was upset about the photos. Lively's complaint says that Lively pointed out that the photos were taken of her in costume for scenes where her character has just been abused by her partner, so it makes sense the character looks disheveled and not at her best. It was Baldoni et al who were concerned about it.

And agree to disagree on whether this sounds like a nightmare. I think regardless of who you believe, this is an insane amount of conflict for the first two days of filming. Then fact that Lively was complaining to Wayfarere about Baldoni's behavior toward her on Day 2 is a really bad sign.

Well I saw the movie and this isn’t right. None of these scenes are after abuse. This was her going to work and about her day as a flower shop owner.

There are only a couple scenes of abuse and they are very specific and none of them have her out and about at the flower shop after.

If things were chaotic on day one, it seems like in part because Blake doesn’t respect hierarchy at all. She completely dismissed the wardrobe department that they hired and use all of her own clothes and Gigi hadid’s clothes, which makes no sense for the character who is not wealthy. And then she disregarded the director and later the editing team entirely.

[Anonymous]

I’m going to have to wait for the trial.

[Anonymous]

It sounds like Justin gave into Blake Lively’s demands from the very beginning, paving the way for a toxic set with an imbalanced dynamic.

Here’s my question: do you think if Justin asserted himself at the very beginning (e.g. no you can’t take control over the wardrobe) and offered no apologies, would Blake have eventually fallen in line, allowing for a smoother set in the long run? Or would this have been a power struggle no matter what Justin did?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like Justin gave into Blake Lively’s demands from the very beginning, paving the way for a toxic set with an imbalanced dynamic.

Here’s my question: do you think if Justin asserted himself at the very beginning (e.g. no you can’t take control over the wardrobe) and offered no apologies, would Blake have eventually fallen in line, allowing for a smoother set in the long run? Or would this have been a power struggle no matter what Justin did?

Given that Blake has a reputation as being difficult to work with, I think that part was inevitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to highlight that according to Lively's complaint, the conflict between Baldoni and Lively (and Wayfarer and Lively) started almost immediately during the filming of the movie.

This is the timeline of the first two days of shooting, according to her complaint:

Day 1
- Shooting scenes of Lively that depict the aftermath of abuse of her character by Lively's character
- Paparazzi get photos of Lively in costume and these are posted online
- Online commentary criticizes the costuming in these scenes and is critical of Lively's figure, saying she looks overweight

Day 2
- Baldoni goes to Lively's trailer to discuss this incident. Narratives diverge as to how this meeting went, but they don't dispute it happened and that it was in Lively's trailer.
- According to Lively, this meeting delayed shooting of what she describes as an "emotional scene" and she claims it was shot haphazardly.
- On this same day, Lively says she made a complaint to Wayfarer about Baldoni's behavior in that meeting in her trailer and requested a meeting to address it.
- Lively says that rather than schedule the meeting, Jamey Heath came into the makeup trailer where Lively was topless while makeup artists removed body makeup from her torso, to discuss the issues with her meeting with Baldoni. She says she asked if he would wait outside and he wouldn't, and that she asked him to look away and he didn't. Baldoni's complaint mostly confirms this narrative but says Lively was not actually bothered by this and joked about it later.

But the point is that this is supposed to have happened ON THE SECOND DAY OF FILMING.

That's how toxic this set was. By the end of the second day of filming, there was a PR crisis over Lively's costuming due to paparazzi shots and online criticism, the director apparently cried in the stars trailer, the star complained to the production company that the director was inappropriate while he was in her trailer, and one of the executive producers walked in on the star topless in the makeup trailer with a dispute over whether he copped a peak at her or not.

Regardless of whose version of events you think is more truthful, that is an absolutely nightmare set and it should help highlight why both sides are digging in so hard here -- these people HATE each other and the couldn't even go 48 hours without major inter-personal issues.

Why would Blake be upset about pictures in herself in costume? She’s bragged all over the media about what a great job she did picking out the wardrobe.

PS Literally nothing in these paragraphs sounds remotely like a nightmare.

PP here. There's no indication Lively was upset about the photographs. Both complaints indicate that it was Baldoni who was upset about the photos. Lively's complaint says that Lively pointed out that the photos were taken of her in costume for scenes where her character has just been abused by her partner, so it makes sense the character looks disheveled and not at her best. It was Baldoni et al who were concerned about it.

And agree to disagree on whether this sounds like a nightmare. I think regardless of who you believe, this is an insane amount of conflict for the first two days of filming. Then fact that Lively was complaining to Wayfarere about Baldoni's behavior toward her on Day 2 is a really bad sign.

Well I saw the movie and this isn’t right. None of these scenes are after abuse. This was her going to work and about her day as a flower shop owner.

There are only a couple scenes of abuse and they are very specific and none of them have her out and about at the flower shop after.

If things were chaotic on day one, it seems like in part because Blake doesn’t respect hierarchy at all. She completely dismissed the wardrobe department that they hired and use all of her own clothes and Gigi hadid’s clothes, which makes no sense for the character who is not wealthy. And then she disregarded the director and later the editing team entirely.

The two scenes I can think of that would be "after abuse" are the scenes in the brown dress where they go to dinner, after he hits her in the face, and the scene with Atlas after the almost rape.

I don't know when they filmed those scenes, but I do remember Lively's costumes in both definitely got criticized online. People especially criticized the scene with Atlas because she's wearing a plaid shacket which is oversized. But if those were the photos in question, it makes perfect sense that her character is dressed down and wearing something comfortable and covered in that scene. It is an emotional scene and Lily is upset.

They don't film movies in chronological order so they could have filmed any scenes first.