UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

That doesn’t matter. The 12 jurors matter. You just watch how this will unfold. I grew up in NYC and can think of only 2 people in my circle of friends who will undoubtedly convict him. Both are male & wealthy. This is not what the jury will look like. There will be women, and people with negative sentiments towards the healthcare insurance industry on that bench.

It doesn’t help that the alleged perp is very good looking, educated, well spoken, and supposedly excessively kind and likable, while the murder victim was the head of a greedy company, had DUIs, was being investigated by the DOJ for insider trading and his wife left him hears ago. I feel for his kids who not only lost their father but now also have to read in the news how no one cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

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Anonymous wrote:The multi-layered privilege in how the public is handling this case is awful: he’s white, very good looking (or at least very photogenic), in great shape, young, smart and rich. Poor little rich, good-looking valedictorian, Ivy grad with big pecs. He also MADE his gun (a zip gun). No evidence of any relationship with UHC or that he had back surgery. No photo evidence to show his lifestyle was altered with this “horrible pain”. But yet; he’s so dreamy, look at those teeth? Look at that topless photo?

He took a zip gun and executed someone in the street, a stranger to him, in front of other people.

But he is mentally ill? He was “indoctrinated”. Poor him. Someone give him a hug.

Where was the same sympathy for the dude who drove up from NC and shot up Comet Pizza? At least it was a registered gun. But he wasn’t rich, young or good looking. He was white though.

And if Luigi is so anti-capitalist, wouldn’t he refuse the money and help his parents can buy in his new fancy lawyer (who is the wife of Diddy’s lawyer, the truth is stranger than fiction).

I have zero sympathy for anyone that starts using any gun to shot people, period.

Glad you don’t know any schizophrenic or bipolar people.

I do. Including one who shot 5 and killed 2 people right in front of me. Your statement makes no sense. Dangerous people do dangerous things, including kill innocent people. And it’s ok, according to you?

Sorry they never got the help they needed until it was too late. Or not at all. What a nightmare.

And it’s genetic.

He did get help. But didn’t want to keep taking his meds and stopped seeing his doctor and no one could force him because he is an adult. So he took his father’s semi automatic weapon and started shooting strangers down the street because he was convinced the government had them reading his “brainwaves”.

I don’t care if it’s genetic. He ruined many people’s lives. He doesn’t get a pass. Luigi’s doesn’t get a pass. FFS.

But in your case, the guy shot innocent people.

In both cases innocent people were shot. WITW is wrong with you?

Nope. DP

Agree. WaPo has an article about how CEO tried to raise the alarm bells about how hated UHC was becoming. Their product was toxic, billions in profit but their 50 million customers were increasingly disgruntled. The job was to sell a product no matter how flawed, he failed. In addition to all the pain and suffering he caused others, he in fact shot himself in the back.

In fact? What are you talking about? He didn't in fact shoot himself. Luigi the deranged murderer with his homemade gun and toxic masculinity did that.

Market forces.

[Anonymous]

Who knows, maybe he will be the hero that triggered healthcare reform changes.

Because Republicans have not just not done anything, but have been fighting tooth and nail when Obama tried to reform it.

I hope Republicans die a slow and painful death from a disease they can’t afford to treat for everything they have ruined in this country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

He’s been an atheist for a while now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

I think the attention is because he has great paper (cv, pedigree, education, lifestyle) and is hot.

The political martyr angle will not appeal to as many people as the hot, smart nice kid who had a mental breakdown. There are other legal and non-homicidal ways to be a political activist. And running your plans past your family, friends and doctors never hurts either.

[Anonymous]

There’s a ban on filing or photography IN the courtroom right?
Except for sentencing time?

Anyone know if that’s correct? I kind of hope so….

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*filming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

Agree. I think he went off the grid so no one else would be marked an accomplice or dragged into it. Very considerate!

Trains and busses around Pennsylvania down and up was not a plan.

The attorneys have a lot to work with so should be fascinating, but not for months— his laptop, his journals, himself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

He’s been an atheist for a while now

Good for him. That makes him appealing to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are pissed we spend so much for health insurance and still get treated like crap. Only in the US do they suck all the money from the middle class for health care. It’s a way Americans are saying f the system f the insurance companies. Dh is usually pretty reasonable but even he said he’ll donate to support this guy.

+1. Like your DH, I am reasonable, educated, with a stable career, family life, and insurance plan, and depending on the additional facts of the case, I could see myself rooting for “not guilty.” Just because my life is good, it doesn’t mean that I’m not aware how terrible things are for other people in this country, in particular as it relates to healthcare & medical costs bankrupting the most vulnerable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

He's not a hero unless something changes. Nothing changed for the masses. Ok, one greedy CEO is dead - it doesn't change the industry. When there is real change, then maybe we can call him a hero. Until then, I'm ok with the word killer, which is what he is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who knows, maybe he will be the hero that triggered healthcare reform changes.

Because Republicans have not just not done anything, but have been fighting tooth and nail when Obama tried to reform it.

I hope Republicans die a slow and painful death from a disease they can’t afford to treat for everything they have ruined in this country.

None of those changes are going to happen. Maybe if there are a ton of copy cats, and I doubt that will happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

He’s been an atheist for a while now

Good for him. That makes him appealing to me.

This kind of unstable person would choke you out in your sleep. But glad that's appealing to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is no hero. He’s now a criminal.

He is / was also smart, hot, athletic, well-spoken, and formerly nice. Not an former outcast.

I don’t think NY is a defense-friendly place court-wise. One cannot legally build a case on appealing to bias or aversion to an industry as motive.

He is a hero. Deep thinking, intelligent and religious, he saw what needed to be done, and did not try to make this about himself. He has succeeded. It requires bold action to wake people up. I doubt that escape or being acquitted was ever an expectation, but it's a very real possibility. Regardless the news cycles surrounding the trial will be additional bad press for the healthcare industry, and focus on corporate wrong doing.

I think the attention is because he has great paper (cv, pedigree, education, lifestyle) and is hot.

The political martyr angle will not appeal to as many people as the hot, smart nice kid who had a mental breakdown. There are other legal and non-homicidal ways to be a political activist. And running your plans past your family, friends and doctors never hurts either.

Nope, people were very much team shooter for the days prior to his reveal. Most political change starts with violence, seldom happens any other way. This shooter is sane, our busted system could easily set him free nonetheless.