FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the pending and approved development with nearly 5,000 new high school students in Tysons and the surrounding areas, it is hard for me to see how Langley can continue to service Herndon much less Great Falls without a new HS, which seems implausible with the land values as they are in Tysons and McLean.

It’s not 5,000 high school students, it’s 5,000 students across elementary, middle, and high school. There are other schools besides Langley that can offer relief (Madison and Falls Church HS) so the situation is that dire.

When you say “besides” do you mean “instead of” or “in addition to”?

In addition to. The four most logical schools to absorb Tysons developments are Marshall, McLean, Langley, and Madison, but Madison is often left out of the narrative.

People tend to focus on the high schools but Kilmer MS is the biggest hot spot in that area. No idea what they’ll do about it.

Did they lose a modular recently? Or reallocate building space? The capacity dropped from 1227 down to 1000 which is really exacerbating projections because they’re still calculating the “with/without” modulars the same.

Good catch. Seems like a data glitch. I was looking at some of the maps on the capacity dashboard but maybe they aren’t giving an accurate picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who is getting "no data" on the dashboard for Herndon enrollment?

I tested lots of schools and got data.

Also, please recall, this is "potential," and some of it is not approved yet.

That dashboard doesn’t include Town of Herndon, Town of Vienna, and Fairfax City development. It’s mentioned on the site.

Wow, seems like critical pieces of information to have.

+1 Especially since Herndon boundary includes more than just the Town of Herndon.

If there were development plans in parts of the county outside the Town of Herndon zoned to HHS, they should be reflected in the dashboard. There may not be any.

Plans don’t always materialize. We can incorporate them once ground has broken. With a review in five years, it would happen then- based on what actually is being built.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who is getting "no data" on the dashboard for Herndon enrollment?

I tested lots of schools and got data.

Also, please recall, this is "potential," and some of it is not approved yet.

That dashboard doesn’t include Town of Herndon, Town of Vienna, and Fairfax City development. It’s mentioned on the site.

Wow, seems like critical pieces of information to have.

+1 Especially since Herndon boundary includes more than just the Town of Herndon.

If there were development plans in parts of the county outside the Town of Herndon zoned to HHS, they should be reflected in the dashboard. There may not be any.

Plans don’t always materialize. We can incorporate them once ground has broken. With a review in five years, it would happen then- based on what actually is being built.

What’s the point in FCPS tracking the other development plans if they aren’t trying to be at least somewhat pro-active?

We’d be in a much better position today if FCPS had paid more attention to where the growth was both occurring and expected and had allocated capital dollars accordingly.

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

Well, if they start shifting, they will necessarily create split feeders elsewhere.

But, again, the freshman class currently at Chantilly is significantly smaller than the others. Someone posted that Rocky Run's enrollment is also smaller. So, Chantilly may just work itself out. No one wants to leave.

They won’t create more splits. They would shift the boundary so kids currently at an elementary will go elsewhere. All of Greenbriar east will now go to Chantilly.

Poplar tree is the furthest south and close to cvhs.

Are you even familiar with the area? A not insignificant portion of Poplar Tree walks to Rocky Run and Chantilly. I can't see them starting a bus run elsewhere for those kids, or keeping those kids where they are and creating a new split feeder...

Every single neighborhood in Chantilly boundary is closer to Chantilly than any other high school. The only ones that might be closer to another school are some who live in Poplar Tree boundary. They are pretty close to Centreville.

I don't think any property in the Poplar Tree boundary is closer to Centreville than Chantilly.

I verified this empirically on Redfin, an MLS site. Redfin has the ability to query by school boundary. Enter "Poplar Tree Elementary School" in the search box to get homes for sale in the Poplar Tree boundary. This being December, not many homes show up. However, you can tweak your query to search for homes sold in the past year. Pick a home sold near the south most boundary. I chose this one as it is one of the southern most - https://www.redfin.com/VA/Centreville/13701-Eastcliff-Cir-20120/home/9583146. It is assigned to the Chantilly pyramid.

Enter that address on Google Maps. Click search nearby and enter "high schools". Switch from walk mode to drive mode. Then click on "Chantilly High School" on the Results panel. It is a 7-minute drive. Then click on the "Centreville High School" on the Results panel. It is an 11-minute drive.

Way earlier in this thread, somebody suggested splitting up Poplar Tree boundaries. I find this absurd. It would go against all the reasons for redistricting. You would be splitting up a close-knit community. Directing kids to a farther high school. If you wanted to decrease the head count at Chantilly High School, there are other locations with a much longer commute time to Chantilly.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, school age population in decline, test scores and school ratings down across the board. The whole boundary study is designed to get parents fighting with one another, and it is working, to keep eyes of the horrendous job the administration and school board in managing FCPS.

Wake up people. There is no need for this study. Make Reid and the SB focus on and fix the real problems.

Agreed, this fixes no problems but creates many.

They aren’t even sticking to their supposed transparency and open dialogue principles with the half hand-picked BRAC making decisions in secret.

it’s not secret, they just are not updating it as fast as you think they should.

My definition of secret is not allowing the public to attend the meetings, nor recording them. Them giving us the agenda and printouts is nowhere close to adequate disclosure.

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I am on the BRAC. Dr. Reid explained that we are an adivsory committee to the superintendent and therefore our meetings are not open to the public. If we were an advisory committee to the board, then they would be open to the public. The boundary review website is being updated with high level meeting minutes. We were told the website would be updated NLT close of business on the next business day following a meeting. So meetings that are held on Fridays, the website would be updated NLT Monday evening. Meetings held Monday - Thursday would be updated the following day. So far we've only had two meetings and minutes from those meetings were updated the next business day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, school age population in decline, test scores and school ratings down across the board. The whole boundary study is designed to get parents fighting with one another, and it is working, to keep eyes of the horrendous job the administration and school board in managing FCPS.

Wake up people. There is no need for this study. Make Reid and the SB focus on and fix the real problems.

Agreed, this fixes no problems but creates many.

They aren’t even sticking to their supposed transparency and open dialogue principles with the half hand-picked BRAC making decisions in secret.

it’s not secret, they just are not updating it as fast as you think they should.

My definition of secret is not allowing the public to attend the meetings, nor recording them. Them giving us the agenda and printouts is nowhere close to adequate disclosure.

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I am on the BRAC. Dr. Reid explained that we are an adivsory committee to the superintendent and therefore our meetings are not open to the public. If we were an advisory committee to the board, then they would be open to the public. The boundary review website is being updated with high level meeting minutes. We were told the website would be updated NLT close of business on the next business day following a meeting. So meetings that are held on Fridays, the website would be updated NLT Monday evening. Meetings held Monday - Thursday would be updated the following day. So far we've only had two meetings and minutes from those meetings were updated the next business day.

Thanks for this. Given how FCPS stacked the BRAC, however, with “friendly” non-pyramid reps they can count on to promote their agenda, I think the committee is tainted from the inception. I feel sorry for the pyramid reps who’ll spend time on this committee in good faith and still be seen as facilitating a corrupt process.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, school age population in decline, test scores and school ratings down across the board. The whole boundary study is designed to get parents fighting with one another, and it is working, to keep eyes of the horrendous job the administration and school board in managing FCPS.

Wake up people. There is no need for this study. Make Reid and the SB focus on and fix the real problems.

Agreed, this fixes no problems but creates many.

They aren’t even sticking to their supposed transparency and open dialogue principles with the half hand-picked BRAC making decisions in secret.

it’s not secret, they just are not updating it as fast as you think they should.

My definition of secret is not allowing the public to attend the meetings, nor recording them. Them giving us the agenda and printouts is nowhere close to adequate disclosure.

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I am on the BRAC. Dr. Reid explained that we are an adivsory committee to the superintendent and therefore our meetings are not open to the public. If we were an advisory committee to the board, then they would be open to the public. The boundary review website is being updated with high level meeting minutes. We were told the website would be updated NLT close of business on the next business day following a meeting. So meetings that are held on Fridays, the website would be updated NLT Monday evening. Meetings held Monday - Thursday would be updated the following day. So far we've only had two meetings and minutes from those meetings were updated the next business day.

I thought the school board created the BRAC. Pretty certain that they voted to create it in a recorded sb meeting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I notice that some of the new construction in Chantilly area had request for rezoning. Why would they take Westfield area and switch it to Chantilly? Or is it reversed?
Lots of the new construction in Herndon/Westfield area has requests for rezoning, too.

One of the new developments has Cub Run, Franklin, and Chantilly. That makes no sense. Cub Run is Westfield pyramid.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, school age population in decline, test scores and school ratings down across the board. The whole boundary study is designed to get parents fighting with one another, and it is working, to keep eyes of the horrendous job the administration and school board in managing FCPS.

Wake up people. There is no need for this study. Make Reid and the SB focus on and fix the real problems.

Agreed, this fixes no problems but creates many.

They aren’t even sticking to their supposed transparency and open dialogue principles with the half hand-picked BRAC making decisions in secret.

it’s not secret, they just are not updating it as fast as you think they should.

My definition of secret is not allowing the public to attend the meetings, nor recording them. Them giving us the agenda and printouts is nowhere close to adequate disclosure.

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I am on the BRAC. Dr. Reid explained that we are an adivsory committee to the superintendent and therefore our meetings are not open to the public. If we were an advisory committee to the board, then they would be open to the public. The boundary review website is being updated with high level meeting minutes. We were told the website would be updated NLT close of business on the next business day following a meeting. So meetings that are held on Fridays, the website would be updated NLT Monday evening. Meetings held Monday - Thursday would be updated the following day. So far we've only had two meetings and minutes from those meetings were updated the next business day.

Jumping through legal hoops to provide less rather than more information to the public isn’t a good look for Reid. She’s already shown she can’t conduct a proper investigation of a single sports program at one school (Hayfield). There’s no reason to trust her to properly oversee boundary revisions that could affect dozens of schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I notice that some of the new construction in Chantilly area had request for rezoning. Why would they take Westfield area and switch it to Chantilly? Or is it reversed?
Lots of the new construction in Herndon/Westfield area has requests for rezoning, too.

One of the new developments has Cub Run, Franklin, and Chantilly. That makes no sense. Cub Run is Westfield pyramid.

Cub Run has split to three middle schools (Franklin, Rocky Run, and Stone) and two high schools (Westfield and Chantilly) for a while. Whether it’s technically in the Westfield pyramid doesn’t matter. Every ES and MS split feeder is still technically part of only one HS pyramid.

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Anonymous wrote:I notice that some of the new construction in Chantilly area had request for rezoning. Why would they take Westfield area and switch it to Chantilly? Or is it reversed?
Lots of the new construction in Herndon/Westfield area has requests for rezoning, too.

One of the new developments has Cub Run, Franklin, and Chantilly. That makes no sense. Cub Run is Westfield pyramid.

Cub Run has split to three middle schools (Franklin, Rocky Run, and Stone) and two high schools (Westfield and Chantilly) for a while. Whether it’s technically in the Westfield pyramid doesn’t matter. Every ES and MS split feeder is still technically part of only one HS pyramid.

Thanks. But, to me, it doesn't make sense to route them to Chantilly when Westfield is so close.

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Anonymous wrote:I notice that some of the new construction in Chantilly area had request for rezoning. Why would they take Westfield area and switch it to Chantilly? Or is it reversed?
Lots of the new construction in Herndon/Westfield area has requests for rezoning, too.

One of the new developments has Cub Run, Franklin, and Chantilly. That makes no sense. Cub Run is Westfield pyramid.

Cub Run has split to three middle schools (Franklin, Rocky Run, and Stone) and two high schools (Westfield and Chantilly) for a while. Whether it’s technically in the Westfield pyramid doesn’t matter. Every ES and MS split feeder is still technically part of only one HS pyramid.

Thanks. But, to me, it doesn't make sense to route them to Chantilly when Westfield is so close.

Just looked. Westfield is closer to this development and not crowded. Why is it zoned to Chantilly when elementary is Cub Run?

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Let’s be honest. Langley HS will get special exemptions. McLean will take the hits for Langley.

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Chantilly is higher rated than westfield because it has much lower farms. Developers want to sell houses by advertising the better school.

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2022 data:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

There is a reason that parents with students at the top of this list don’t want their children to be redistricted to schools at the bottom of the list. It has nothing to do with racism. Why would any parent welcome a boundary adjustment from one of the top high schools in the county/country to one of high schools on the bottom of this list?