Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

TJ Miller who was accused of choking, shaking, and punching a woman in the mouth during a sexual encounter? That one?

His opinion from two years ago about working with Lively's husband seems not particularly relevant here, but I LOVE that you think you can assign people the task of googling this old-ass interview and that we'll all just run off to do it and watch some interview that is probably 90% about other stuff in the hopes of getting 90 seconds of him criticizing RR, and that this will somehow make us think, "Oooooh, now I get it. Lively must be lying about Baldoni."

Hilarious. Keep it up, this is too funny.

Millers problems go way back. They didn't just start when he met Ryan Reynolds. What a bad example to try to prove a point.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

TJ Miller who was accused of choking, shaking, and punching a woman in the mouth during a sexual encounter? That one?

His opinion from two years ago about working with Lively's husband seems not particularly relevant here, but I LOVE that you think you can assign people the task of googling this old-ass interview and that we'll all just run off to do it and watch some interview that is probably 90% about other stuff in the hopes of getting 90 seconds of him criticizing RR, and that this will somehow make us think, "Oooooh, now I get it. Lively must be lying about Baldoni."

Hilarious. Keep it up, this is too funny.

Millers problems go way back. They didn't just start when he met Ryan Reynolds. What a bad example to try to prove a point.

OK well he said that Michael Bay also does not like Reynolds. That's an influential Hollywood director. Now you are going to tell me that Michael Bay kicks puppies or chews with his mouth open or something. Oh, am I "astroturfing"" When's the football game.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

TJ Miller who was accused of choking, shaking, and punching a woman in the mouth during a sexual encounter? That one?

His opinion from two years ago about working with Lively's husband seems not particularly relevant here, but I LOVE that you think you can assign people the task of googling this old-ass interview and that we'll all just run off to do it and watch some interview that is probably 90% about other stuff in the hopes of getting 90 seconds of him criticizing RR, and that this will somehow make us think, "Oooooh, now I get it. Lively must be lying about Baldoni."

Hilarious. Keep it up, this is too funny.

Millers problems go way back. They didn't just start when he met Ryan Reynolds. What a bad example to try to prove a point.

OK well he said that Michael Bay also does not like Reynolds. That's an influential Hollywood director. Now you are going to tell me that Michael Bay kicks puppies or chews with his mouth open or something. Oh, am I "astroturfing"" When's the football game.

You mean everyone in Hollywood doesn't love everyone else. Well, this is really ground breaking news. Thank God you're here.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

TJ Miller who was accused of choking, shaking, and punching a woman in the mouth during a sexual encounter? That one?

His opinion from two years ago about working with Lively's husband seems not particularly relevant here, but I LOVE that you think you can assign people the task of googling this old-ass interview and that we'll all just run off to do it and watch some interview that is probably 90% about other stuff in the hopes of getting 90 seconds of him criticizing RR, and that this will somehow make us think, "Oooooh, now I get it. Lively must be lying about Baldoni."

Hilarious. Keep it up, this is too funny.

Millers problems go way back. They didn't just start when he met Ryan Reynolds. What a bad example to try to prove a point.

OK well he said that Michael Bay also does not like Reynolds. That's an influential Hollywood director. Now you are going to tell me that Michael Bay kicks puppies or chews with his mouth open or something. Oh, am I "astroturfing"" When's the football game.

You mean everyone in Hollywood doesn't love everyone else. Well, this is really ground breaking news. Thank God you're here.

The point is that your argument that Lively and Reynolds had perfect reputations before Justin Baldoni came along is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Baldoni folks in this thread think hiring a PR firm for the purpose of giving Lively the Amber Heard treatment and specifically flooding social media with negative and untrue posts about Lively is a perfectly acceptable way to behave, I guess.

To me, there is a right way and a wrong way to use PR. Lots of people hire a PR firm to represent their viewpoint out in the press. this whole LIE LIE LIE and DESTROY THEM approach isn't what most people do.

You Baldoni bros seem to be saying that's fine, and you support a guy who would do that. That tells me everything I need to know about you.

Lively’s lawsuit included the PR plan as an exhibit. It’s detailed and nowhere does it say they will plant lies.

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Guess I’m the only one getting a creep vibe from Baldoni stating on that audio that the reason he hired Jenny Slate was because their noses matched. That’s pretty dismissive of Slate’s acting abilities. But, you know, he’s totes a feminist!

It is kinda of Nicepool tbh.

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If you have worked with TJ Miller and he does not have a beef with you, you probably belong in jail. I enjoy that the Pro Baldoni Republic of Fake Feminism is holding up TJ Miller and Michael Bay as spokespeople for their case.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

TJ Miller who was accused of choking, shaking, and punching a woman in the mouth during a sexual encounter? That one?

His opinion from two years ago about working with Lively's husband seems not particularly relevant here, but I LOVE that you think you can assign people the task of googling this old-ass interview and that we'll all just run off to do it and watch some interview that is probably 90% about other stuff in the hopes of getting 90 seconds of him criticizing RR, and that this will somehow make us think, "Oooooh, now I get it. Lively must be lying about Baldoni."

Hilarious. Keep it up, this is too funny.

The point is your claim that everyone loved Blake and Ryan Reynolds until Baldoni came along is inaccurate. It does not mean everything Blake and Ryan say is a lie. But maybe they are not as widely well regarded as you believe.

PP here and I would never claim "everyone" loves Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds because *I* don't even like them. I find them both deeply annoying. I haven't even seen this movie or any of the Deadpool movies because I don't like them -- she seems arrogant and lazy, he seems smarmy. They are not for me.

But that doesn't mean she wasn't harassed on set or that Baldoni is innocent. You can be an annoying person or be difficult to work with and still be harassed in an employment context. I don't know if Lively was, but I am willing to wait until all the evidence is in before forming my own opinion about it. I am an emotionally mature person so I can dislike Lively while also not wanting her to be harassed or cheering for her marriage to fail as others on this thread have done.

I think it's weird that people seem to think this is a popularity contest between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni and that we are all supposed to pick sides based on which one we like more. "Team Justin" or "Team Blake." That's a weird and totally unproductive way to discuss the question of workplace harassment issues. I'm not "Team" anyone. I am interested in this story because I am interested in the subject of workplace behavior and harassment.

So I don't really care if some other actor who has a long history of their own problematic behavior does or does not like Ryan Reynolds. It's irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Guess I’m the only one getting a creep vibe from Baldoni stating on that audio that the reason he hired Jenny Slate was because their noses matched. That’s pretty dismissive of Slate’s acting abilities. But, you know, he’s totes a feminist!

It is kinda of Nicepool tbh.

I also caught that. I don't find it creepy but I do think it's a rude thing to say in front of a bunch of cast and crew while mic'ed up. Not only does it make it sound like they hired her just for her appearance, it's also highlighting that a Jewish actress has a large-ish nose which is the sort of thing most people would choose not to highlight casually.

I don't know if Baldoni harassed Lively but based on the clips of him I've seen and the way he's handled this whole conflict (including his text messages that have come out in both Lively's complaint and his complaint) I do think his whole "male feminist" schtick is BS. I even went and watched a couple episodes of his podcast and... ick. It doesn't mean he harassed her but I do not enjoy his vibe at all. Very self-congratulatory and he engages in a lot of that faux "therapist speak" that drives me nuts. When he talks about feminism it feels extremely performative like he's waiting for a cookie and a head pat.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have worked with TJ Miller and he does not have a beef with you, you probably belong in jail. I enjoy that the Pro Baldoni Republic of Fake Feminism is holding up TJ Miller and Michael Bay as spokespeople for their case.

The Michael Bay comment made me wonder if this was actually a pro-Lively troll posing as a tone-deaf Baldoni bro. That's too much.

[Anonymous]

There is a whole slew of rumors and stories about Blake and Ryan successfully squashing things that would make them look bad. Who knows what is true, but they definitely have a history of winning at the PR game.

I’m just skeptical of all this because of the severe power imbalance. People defending Blake keep talking about how Justin is inexperienced and ran a terrible set, but I don’t think that’s the defense you think it is. I think she absolutely knew he an inexperienced nobody. And she and Ryan seemed to take full advantage of that.

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The nose comment about Slater was def the most potentially problematic thing about that video, IMO. I think that comment could be okay or not okay depending on his relationship with Slater (like did they tease one another about their noses?). This case really has a little of everything and a lot of nuance so far, which is obviously why this thread is so long. It will be interesting to see if anyone comes out unscathed in the end.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, Slate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guess I’m the only one getting a creep vibe from Baldoni stating on that audio that the reason he hired Jenny Slate was because their noses matched. That’s pretty dismissive of Slate’s acting abilities. But, you know, he’s totes a feminist!

It is kinda of Nicepool tbh.

Ummm he said that in response to Blake making some really shitting comments about his nose. wtf do you think we don’t have ears?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess I’m the only one getting a creep vibe from Baldoni stating on that audio that the reason he hired Jenny Slate was because their noses matched. That’s pretty dismissive of Slate’s acting abilities. But, you know, he’s totes a feminist!

It is kinda of Nicepool tbh.

I also caught that. I don't find it creepy but I do think it's a rude thing to say in front of a bunch of cast and crew while mic'ed up. Not only does it make it sound like they hired her just for her appearance, it's also highlighting that a Jewish actress has a large-ish nose which is the sort of thing most people would choose not to highlight casually.

I don't know if Baldoni harassed Lively but based on the clips of him I've seen and the way he's handled this whole conflict (including his text messages that have come out in both Lively's complaint and his complaint) I do think his whole "male feminist" schtick is BS. I even went and watched a couple episodes of his podcast and... ick. It doesn't mean he harassed her but I do not enjoy his vibe at all. Very self-congratulatory and he engages in a lot of that faux "therapist speak" that drives me nuts. When he talks about feminism it feels extremely performative like he's waiting for a cookie and a head pat.

so you also caught that Lively was the one who STARTED the inappropriate commentary on Baldoni’s nose?