Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

If you are MAGA and you’re in denial that these radicals are your people, read this. If you have a son, read this:

https://jaredyatessexton.substack.com/p/the-threat-no-one-wants-to-talk-about

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

Non mentally ill people kill all of the time. The definition of mental illness is not "committing the act of murder"

Yes, cops and soldiers kill people intentionally all the time. When someone pulls the trigger to murder another human being who is defenseless, unknowing, and not on the battle field during a declared war is mentally ill at the time they pull the trigger. All mentally ill people aren't cold blooded murderers but all cold blooded murderers are mentally ill. I can't imagine there being anyone on this forum with an IQ so low that they aren't able to comprehend the concept of mentally ill. Who is even dumb enough to try to make an argument against a cold blooded murderer being mentally ill?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's looking like this was an extreme right winger who thought Kirk wasn't right wing enough.

I called it here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/2370/1291384.page#30770208

According to the bullet scribbling, he was Antifa.

And according to a slew of social media evidence, he was right wing. But you tell yourself whatever need to feel better.

Doesn’t matter what the social media evidence is. People can appear one thing and believe another. The fact that he wrote those slogans on the bullets he loaded to kill Kirk speaks more about his beliefs and intentions.

But you can go ahead and ignore evidence to fit your narrative. Nobody is going to stop you.

His use of the word 'gay' in a derogatory way is limited to right wing.

You don’t think a 22 year old male would use sarcasm and slang, do you? Impossible!

Leftist males do not use 'gay' in a derogatory way. Not even sarcastically or as slang, no.

NP. As someone around a lot of leftist young male teens, unfortunately I can report this is not correct. They do use it in a derogatory sarcastic way. I correct it when I hear it, but it is absolutely used this way by leftist male teens.

I don’t think the evidence here that the shooter was leftist is strong, but I did want to correct this one misapprehension.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

I think at least half of our society is now mentally ill to some extent. How about we try to figure out how to help these individuals? We’ve become such a nasty society, people are so mean to one another, more than ever it seems. No wonder everyone is mentally ill, a person can only handle so much in life. We need to support one another. Why are we so damn mean?

I don't want to live in a collectivist society

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

I think at least half of our society is now mentally ill to some extent. How about we try to figure out how to help these individuals? We’ve become such a nasty society, people are so mean to one another, more than ever it seems. No wonder everyone is mentally ill, a person can only handle so much in life. We need to support one another. Why are we so damn mean?

Social Media and loneliness. People are getting detached from humanity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

Non mentally ill people kill all of the time. The definition of mental illness is not "committing the act of murder"

Yes, cops and soldiers kill people intentionally all the time. When someone pulls the trigger to murder another human being who is defenseless, unknowing, and not on the battle field during a declared war is mentally ill at the time they pull the trigger. All mentally ill people aren't cold blooded murderers but all cold blooded murderers are mentally ill. I can't imagine there being anyone on this forum with an IQ so low that they aren't able to comprehend the concept of mentally ill. Who is even dumb enough to try to make an argument against a cold blooded murderer being mentally ill?

This is not true according to law and science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

Non mentally ill people kill all of the time. The definition of mental illness is not "committing the act of murder"

Yes, cops and soldiers kill people intentionally all the time. When someone pulls the trigger to murder another human being who is defenseless, unknowing, and not on the battle field during a declared war is mentally ill at the time they pull the trigger. All mentally ill people aren't cold blooded murderers but all cold blooded murderers are mentally ill. I can't imagine there being anyone on this forum with an IQ so low that they aren't able to comprehend the concept of mentally ill. Who is even dumb enough to try to make an argument against a cold blooded murderer being mentally ill?

This is not true according to law and science.

Well it damn sure is true to anyone with a lick of the common sense you so clearly lack. Cold blooded murderers are mentally ill at the time they commit the murders. Period. The end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Nancy Mace on Wednesday: "It's time to bring back the death penalty."

Nancy Mace today: "We know Charlie Kirk would want us to pray for such an evil, and lost individual like Tyler Robinson to find Jesus Christ. We will try to do the same."

Not mutually exclusive

[Anonymous]

What to know about Groypers:

https://www.newsweek.com/groyper-charlie-kirk-shooting-nick-fuentes-2129114

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

Non mentally ill people kill all of the time. The definition of mental illness is not "committing the act of murder"

Yes, cops and soldiers kill people intentionally all the time. When someone pulls the trigger to murder another human being who is defenseless, unknowing, and not on the battle field during a declared war is mentally ill at the time they pull the trigger. All mentally ill people aren't cold blooded murderers but all cold blooded murderers are mentally ill. I can't imagine there being anyone on this forum with an IQ so low that they aren't able to comprehend the concept of mentally ill. Who is even dumb enough to try to make an argument against a cold blooded murderer being mentally ill?

This is not true according to law and science.

DP. Sincerely asking, how is that so. I think the question of mental illness in general is different than the standard in law of mental incompetence. Wouldn't you think someone who is convinced it is okay to murder another person in any circumstance that is not clearly self-defense could be considered sociopathic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Why are you so emotionally invested in him being a leftist? You really need this to be true, why?

I'm simply wondering why all the speculation when his father has told what was going on lately in the family. Why the need to speculate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Nancy Mace on Wednesday: "It's time to bring back the death penalty."

Nancy Mace today: "We know Charlie Kirk would want us to pray for such an evil, and lost individual like Tyler Robinson to find Jesus Christ. We will try to do the same."

Not mutually exclusive

But I guarantee if the shooter were a trans woman or a black or Latino person that she would not call for prayer. She would call for blood.

Stop pretending these GOP politicians who called for heads to roll as recently as yesterday have any decency or consistency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

Non mentally ill people kill all of the time. The definition of mental illness is not "committing the act of murder"

Yes, cops and soldiers kill people intentionally all the time. When someone pulls the trigger to murder another human being who is defenseless, unknowing, and not on the battle field during a declared war is mentally ill at the time they pull the trigger. All mentally ill people aren't cold blooded murderers but all cold blooded murderers are mentally ill. I can't imagine there being anyone on this forum with an IQ so low that they aren't able to comprehend the concept of mentally ill. Who is even dumb enough to try to make an argument against a cold blooded murderer being mentally ill?

No, neither law nor psychology considers all murderers to be mentally ill. In law, most people who commit murder are presumed legally sane and responsible for their actions unless proven otherwise. The insanity defense is rare and only applies if a person was unable to understand what they were doing or distinguish right from wrong at the time of the crime. Fewer than 1% of felony defendants successfully use the insanity defense in U.S. courts, meaning the overwhelming majority of murderers are judged legally competent and not mentally ill in a way that excuses them. In psychology, mental illness is not equated with criminality. Many murderers do not meet diagnostic criteria for a psychiatric disorder. Murders can result from anger, revenge, greed, ideology, or situational pressures. While some killers have conditions like psychosis, personality disorders, or substance-induced states, these do not explain all or even most homicides. Studies show that only a minority of homicides are committed by people with severe mental illness such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Many offenders are otherwise psychologically typical, though some may have antisocial or narcissistic traits that fall short of a formal diagnosis. The bottom line is that murderers are not automatically considered mentally ill under law or psychology. Some are, but many are legally and psychologically considered responsible, sane individuals who made a choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Why are you so emotionally invested in him being a leftist? You really need this to be true, why?

I'm simply wondering why all the speculation when his father has told what was going on lately in the family. Why the need to speculate?

All Ive seen is that he said his son had gotten more "political". Is there a verified account that says more than that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Nope no rocket science:Who know how well his father knew him. Well or not well, either way, the father could be lying, or telling the truth.

Well enough to talk about what went on at the dinner table. Again, you are speculating that perhaps, maybe, could be, the father is lying instead off saying "it's a piece of the puzzle"