Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Laughing at all the conservatives here who assumed the shooter was a liberal furiously looking up the term "groyper"

He grew up in a conservative family and turned leftist online and during high school.

Mainly aimless teens do.

And you simply know that because of your critical thinking. "It cannot be a right winger because that would make me look bad, so it must be a leftist."

Well, it’s pretty safe to say he wasn’t of
ideological leaning and political affiliation of Kirk. After all, he was so moved to murder him. What random people from high school think about him or what grandma thinks she knows about his motive is irrelevant

Until we get detailed, in-depth information about his motive and the thought process behind it (which may not happen until he’s on trial or may never happen if he pleads guilty), I don’t think we can truly make sense of this kid. So far, the details coming out are inconclusive, perhaps even contradictory. Even if he explains his reasoning, it may not make sense to sane, rational, emotionally stable people.

You say it’s safe to say he isn’t of the same political affiliation as Kirk. I’m not sure it is safe to say that. He may have shared the same position as Kirk on many issues and only differed from Kirk’s views on a couple pet causes. He may have been to the left of Kirk. He may have been to the right of Kirk. He might not have had any kind of consistent, coherent ideology. He may have enjoyed playing Devil’s advocate and arguing viewpoints that he didn’t actually believe, which would explain why there’s seemingly contradictory information about his political leaning. He might throw around the word “fascist” without actually knowing what fascism is.

Kid?!

Relax, I’m not saying he’s a juvenile; I’m just old enough that he’s young to me.

He is a grown man.

I am relaxed by the way. But if I wasn't, that is not your concern.

He's a grown mentally ill murderer who was poisoned by our current political climate.

He may or may not be mentally ill.

Political rhetoric shouldn't drive anyone to murder, not an excuse.

He "may or may not be mentally ill"?????????? Any human who murders another human being in cold blood is mentally ill. Normal humans aren't wired to murder other humans. What is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

The constant call for ‘links’ is not in good faith, because it shifts the burden of the conversation onto the other person while letting you avoid offering any position of your own. Communication scholars often describe this tactic as a form of bad-faith framing or what’s popularly called sealioning—asking for endless citations not out of genuine curiosity but as a way to derail, exhaust, or control the exchange. It keeps the other person locked in a defensive posture rather than opening space for honest engagement.

If you had provided even one link, I could see your point. But you have not provided even a single link.

What you just wrote actually proves my point. You are not engaging with what I said, you are reducing the entire discussion to whether I will jump through hoops to provide links. Communication research on online debate shows exactly this dynamic: people who demand sources in this way are rarely interested in evaluating them, they use the request itself as a way to control the exchange and keep the other person on the defensive. That is why I said the demand is not in good faith. A conversation is about exchanging reasoning and perspectives, not setting up a passfail test where you pretend you cannot respond until a link is dropped.

Here's what we know about Tyler Robinson, the suspect in Charlie Kirk's murder


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/09/12/what-we-know-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect/86091474007/

It’s not yet clear what changed in Robinson’s life leading up to the shooting, but family and friends said he had become more political and angry.

“One of Robinson’s high school classmates, Xander Luke, said he “was politically active and outspoken about people’s rights.” The accused shooter “thought both political sides were contributing to a country being in a worse place and not improving the world,” Luke said.”

Nothing about him being right wing.

Ok, we have Xander's thoughts

If you all spend five minutes, you can find multiple accounts now that are conflicting. We know he was a gamer and into that culture and those memes from the bullets. People still talking about anti-fascism in a literal way are missing the boat on the bullet inscriptions. But we don't really know his political leanings yet.

my sarcasm wasn't clear

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laughing at all the conservatives here who assumed the shooter was a liberal furiously looking up the term "groyper"

He grew up in a conservative family and turned leftist online and during high school.

Mainly aimless teens do.

And you simply know that because of your critical thinking. "It cannot be a right winger because that would make me look bad, so it must be a leftist."

Well, it’s pretty safe to say he wasn’t of
ideological leaning and political affiliation of Kirk. After all, he was so moved to murder him. What random people from high school think about him or what grandma thinks she knows about his motive is irrelevant

Until we get detailed, in-depth information about his motive and the thought process behind it (which may not happen until he’s on trial or may never happen if he pleads guilty), I don’t think we can truly make sense of this kid. So far, the details coming out are inconclusive, perhaps even contradictory. Even if he explains his reasoning, it may not make sense to sane, rational, emotionally stable people.

You say it’s safe to say he isn’t of the same political affiliation as Kirk. I’m not sure it is safe to say that. He may have shared the same position as Kirk on many issues and only differed from Kirk’s views on a couple pet causes. He may have been to the left of Kirk. He may have been to the right of Kirk. He might not have had any kind of consistent, coherent ideology. He may have enjoyed playing Devil’s advocate and arguing viewpoints that he didn’t actually believe, which would explain why there’s seemingly contradictory information about his political leaning. He might throw around the word “fascist” without actually knowing what fascism is.

Kid?!

Relax, I’m not saying he’s a juvenile; I’m just old enough that he’s young to me.

He is a grown man.

I am relaxed by the way. But if I wasn't, that is not your concern.

He's a grown mentally ill murderer who was poisoned by our current political climate.

He may or may not be mentally ill.

Political rhetoric shouldn't drive anyone to murder, not an excuse.

He "may or may not be mentally ill"?????????? Any human who murders another human being in cold blood is mentally ill. Normal humans aren't wired to murder other humans. What is wrong with you?

The Ten Commandments are not only for the mentally ill

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

It all over. Everywhere. Where do you people get your news? What websites do you read?

Bs he wrote fascists on the bullets. There is only one group who uses that term right now and its democrats.

It's gamer memes and sayings. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

The constant call for ‘links’ is not in good faith, because it shifts the burden of the conversation onto the other person while letting you avoid offering any position of your own. Communication scholars often describe this tactic as a form of bad-faith framing or what’s popularly called sealioning—asking for endless citations not out of genuine curiosity but as a way to derail, exhaust, or control the exchange. It keeps the other person locked in a defensive posture rather than opening space for honest engagement.

If you had provided even one link, I could see your point. But you have not provided even a single link.

What you just wrote actually proves my point. You are not engaging with what I said, you are reducing the entire discussion to whether I will jump through hoops to provide links. Communication research on online debate shows exactly this dynamic: people who demand sources in this way are rarely interested in evaluating them, they use the request itself as a way to control the exchange and keep the other person on the defensive. That is why I said the demand is not in good faith. A conversation is about exchanging reasoning and perspectives, not setting up a passfail test where you pretend you cannot respond until a link is dropped.

My position is "I don't know" and I'm not going to be convinced by an anonymous forum troll's rantings.

Yes, you just proved the point: nothing presented here will convince you, even links, due to concept bolded above.

Haha, what citations have you provided? Zero.

You want everyone to believe your anonymous opinion. Hard pass.

You are still proving my point. The only move you are making is to demand links and then act as if nothing else matters. That is not real discussion. A constant call for citations is not about evidence, it is about setting up hoops for the other person to jump through so you can avoid engaging with the substance of what was said. That is why it is not a good faith tactic.

That's what people say when they can't provide "the science"

How about you guys stop your inane, petty side argument and let's talk about something else. Like what a remarkable and devastating shot made by the shooter. One bullet. 200 yards. Kind of boggles the mind. Kirk was even under a covering partially. And I find it strange that no one noticed. Sad to say that when I go to events in DC I can't help but look around at the tops of buildings. Messed up, but true.

People did notice - they did not have time to notify the police. There is video showing that. Again, the shooter had a scope. As someone else pointed out numerous times, he was probably aiming for center mass, and caught Kirk's neck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Far right hated Kirk, radicalizing others :

https://www.wired.com/story/extremists-hated-charlie-kirk-now-radicalizing-others/

I encourage everyone to read this, the proud boys/ oath keepers are reactivating.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Nancy Mace on Wednesday: "It's time to bring back the death penalty."

Nancy Mace today: "We know Charlie Kirk would want us to pray for such an evil, and lost individual like Tyler Robinson to find Jesus Christ. We will try to do the same."

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Why are you so emotionally invested in him being a leftist? You really need this to be true, why?

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Anonymous wrote:Laughing at all the conservatives here who assumed the shooter was a liberal furiously looking up the term "groyper"

He grew up in a conservative family and turned leftist online and during high school.

Mainly aimless teens do.

And you simply know that because of your critical thinking. "It cannot be a right winger because that would make me look bad, so it must be a leftist."

Well, it’s pretty safe to say he wasn’t of
ideological leaning and political affiliation of Kirk. After all, he was so moved to murder him. What random people from high school think about him or what grandma thinks she knows about his motive is irrelevant

I will wait to see what he says, but your argument ignores the fact that there are right-wing factions who don't like each other but all love their guns. So do the math. Your automatic conclusion that the killer had to be a leftist is based only on your own hateful biases, which our incompetent, hateful, repugnant POTUS shares. Spouting off about retribution when no one knows for sure. Irresponsible and dangerous.

This is such a good point - that they all love their guns.

I'm liberal but was raised in a bipartisan household back in the 70s/80s and by a lifetime NRA member father who taught me all about guns beginning age 7. By age 14 I'd earned a US Army expert marksman certificate in high school JROTC - I could easily have made the shot that killed Kirk, as could any teenager with some range and/or hunting experience and the requisite warped mindset to kill a fellow human.

Liberals all over the Facebook are going on and on about how it had to be a professional, a military specialist sniper to make that shot! They think this in large numbers because they don't know guns.

Liberals all over the Facebook are saying he shot Kirk in the neck because he couldn't go center mass because Kirk was wearing a Kevlar vest. They don't know that Kevlar vests are useless against high velocity rifle rounds like from a 30.06 such as this shooter used. Remember all those cops - 200 or so? - who stood around that Uvalde classroom and did nothing, even though they were wearing Kevlar vests? That's because THEY KNOW what a high velocity rifle round like from an AR-15 will do to a vest - go through it like a hot knife through butter.

This kid was alt right wing, more right wing than Kirk. He was radicalized by Fuentes and fellow Groypers. This is MAGA on MAGA violence, but it's us liberals who are gonna pay going forward.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

The constant call for ‘links’ is not in good faith, because it shifts the burden of the conversation onto the other person while letting you avoid offering any position of your own. Communication scholars often describe this tactic as a form of bad-faith framing or what’s popularly called sealioning—asking for endless citations not out of genuine curiosity but as a way to derail, exhaust, or control the exchange. It keeps the other person locked in a defensive posture rather than opening space for honest engagement.

If you had provided even one link, I could see your point. But you have not provided even a single link.

What you just wrote actually proves my point. You are not engaging with what I said, you are reducing the entire discussion to whether I will jump through hoops to provide links. Communication research on online debate shows exactly this dynamic: people who demand sources in this way are rarely interested in evaluating them, they use the request itself as a way to control the exchange and keep the other person on the defensive. That is why I said the demand is not in good faith. A conversation is about exchanging reasoning and perspectives, not setting up a passfail test where you pretend you cannot respond until a link is dropped.

Here's what we know about Tyler Robinson, the suspect in Charlie Kirk's murder


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/09/12/what-we-know-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect/86091474007/

It’s not yet clear what changed in Robinson’s life leading up to the shooting, but family and friends said he had become more political and angry.

“One of Robinson’s high school classmates, Xander Luke, said he “was politically active and outspoken about people’s rights.” The accused shooter “thought both political sides were contributing to a country being in a worse place and not improving the world,” Luke said.”

Nothing about him being right wing.

Ok, we have Xander's thoughts

If you all spend five minutes, you can find multiple accounts now that are conflicting. We know he was a gamer and into that culture and those memes from the bullets. People still talking about anti-fascism in a literal way are missing the boat on the bullet inscriptions. But we don't really know his political leanings yet.

my sarcasm wasn't clear

If you are the Xander's thoughts poster, I got that. I was talking to the same person you were talking to. That they have proven nothing with only one of the conflicting accounts. Sorry if that wasnt clear.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Nope no rocket science:Who know how well his father knew him. Well or not well, either way, the father could be lying, or telling the truth.