Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:But then he knows the weight of this famous person, and, if he wants to be a jerk about it later, he can laugh about it with his friends, or float out to the public how much she weighed after her baby etc. I think it's a touchy subject in Hollywood, and i don't think famous actresses just want their weight to be public knowledge. While he seemed to have a reason for the info, that reason could also just be a pretext -- and as others have said, he could easily solve the back problem without knowing the precise weight.

And for that matter, why didn't he just tell the trainer "With my back issues I can handle weights of up to 170 pounds, can you help me with strategies for whatever weight we have here?" rather than asking for her weight? Why did he think it was fine to come to the table with absolutely nothing? Seems like he didn't know his own weight lifting limits and was just fishing for personal info, which is gross.

Does anyone really care? Is anyone that interested in exactly how much Jennifer Aniston etc weigh? We can see what these people look like, often in revealing outfits or scenes etc, who is "floating out in public" or sharing that # with a bunch of ppl?

I think a lot of the reaction here is that if you are soooo sensitive about a lot of minor things, this kind of field or role is not for you. Lots of other jobs out there but guess what they don't make you rich and famous.

What world are you living in to think a famous actresses weight is not a big deal? You are detached from reality.

We’ve moved on. The comment to the trainer is not actionable as sexual harassment of Blake because it was not made to Blake, he intended for Blake to not know of his conversation with the trainer, and was for a valid work purpose. For it to be even possibly be actionable, the question would have had to be directly to Blake.

It wasn't valid or necessary. You don't just get to say so and demand everyone move on.

Even if you don’t agree on those points, he didn’t pose the question to Blake. A very basic part of the cause of action is that actionable statements are made directly to the plaintiff. There is no sexual harassment by victim proxy.

So spreading rumors behind someone's back wouldn't be sexual harassment? I think you need to go back to law school.

Rumors about what? How much she weighs? that’s not a rumor - and asking a question discreetly is not “spreading rumors.”

Blake PR team - you are outclassed here. I know I’m not the only lawyer on this thread, let alone not the only lawyer with a background in sexual harassment cases, let alone on the plaintiff’s side.

BL’s facts are very very weak - embarrassingly so for her. Her retaliation claim is stronger but even so, on shakey ground due to lack of temporal proximity and the intervening acts that Baldoni can say he was responding to that have nothing to do with Blake raising a bona fide complaint.

Lively's PR team isn't on this thread and the people you are accusing of it are asking reasonable questions.

But in any case, no one is being "outclassed" by the army of Baldoni bros here. Lol.

All I hear is people yelling "I'm a lawyer" in their best Harvey Levin voice and think everyone should bow down.

That's because the Baldoni bros got mad earlier in the thread when some actual lawyers weighed in to point out basic things likes that Baldoni has to prove actual malice in his case against the NYT or that at this stage there is no way to know which narrative, Lively's or Baldoni's, will prevail in the case because none of us has the facts. So now a bunch of them will just say "by the way, I'm a lawyer" to try and give their trolling validity. So now it's devolved into "I'm a lawyer" and "No, I'm a lawyer" and "we're all lawyers here" while people spout nonsense that clearly indicates they are not, in fact, lawyers (or if they are, they are very bad ones).

It's comical.

There was some pretty good, detailed discussion about the NYT case. Consensus was (me included, a “Baldoni bro”) that there is no real case there. Some maybe legitimate disagreement about whether the NYT will settle. and some gallows humor about this being the vehicle to undo Sullivan.

Again this is DCUM and so probably has the highest concentration of very well trained lawyers of any anonymous message board commenting on celebrity matters, ha ha.

This is a hilariously inaccurate summary lol.

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Anonymous wrote:I think every lawyer on this board has seen a losing side resort to all types of histrionics to try to distract from the lack of factual support for their claims. So it is particularly amusing to see the Blake supporter pull out all the stops this morning and think her posts are the least bit persuasive, and that includes the gratuitous and frequent insults.

"The" supporter. Y'all are too much. The fake lawyer(s) think they are so smart but don't know how an anonymous message board works. Which is odd since they spend most of their "working" hours here.

I say this with sincerity. You are way too personally invested in this public story.

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Anonymous wrote:I think every lawyer on this board has seen a losing side resort to all types of histrionics to try to distract from the lack of factual support for their claims. So it is particularly amusing to see the Blake supporter pull out all the stops this morning and think her posts are the least bit persuasive, and that includes the gratuitous and frequent insults.

"The" supporter. Y'all are too much. The fake lawyer(s) think they are so smart but don't know how an anonymous message board works. Which is odd since they spend most of their "working" hours here.

I say this with sincerity. You are way too personally invested in this public story.

Ditto.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

By the way the TJ Miller interview was two years ago, "astroturf" lover. Was that "astroturf" Baldoni's fault too?

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When is the football game on the astroturf?

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TJ Miller? He's a train wreck.

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Relying on TJ Miller as a reliable narrator, lol.

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Baldoni Bro. Classic. I’m getting a shirt made.

Also: Do high schoolers have off today?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

TJ Miller who was accused of choking, shaking, and punching a woman in the mouth during a sexual encounter? That one?

His opinion from two years ago about working with Lively's husband seems not particularly relevant here, but I LOVE that you think you can assign people the task of googling this old-ass interview and that we'll all just run off to do it and watch some interview that is probably 90% about other stuff in the hopes of getting 90 seconds of him criticizing RR, and that this will somehow make us think, "Oooooh, now I get it. Lively must be lying about Baldoni."

Hilarious. Keep it up, this is too funny.

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Anonymous wrote:But then he knows the weight of this famous person, and, if he wants to be a jerk about it later, he can laugh about it with his friends, or float out to the public how much she weighed after her baby etc. I think it's a touchy subject in Hollywood, and i don't think famous actresses just want their weight to be public knowledge. While he seemed to have a reason for the info, that reason could also just be a pretext -- and as others have said, he could easily solve the back problem without knowing the precise weight.

And for that matter, why didn't he just tell the trainer "With my back issues I can handle weights of up to 170 pounds, can you help me with strategies for whatever weight we have here?" rather than asking for her weight? Why did he think it was fine to come to the table with absolutely nothing? Seems like he didn't know his own weight lifting limits and was just fishing for personal info, which is gross.

Does anyone really care? Is anyone that interested in exactly how much Jennifer Aniston etc weigh? We can see what these people look like, often in revealing outfits or scenes etc, who is "floating out in public" or sharing that # with a bunch of ppl?

I think a lot of the reaction here is that if you are soooo sensitive about a lot of minor things, this kind of field or role is not for you. Lots of other jobs out there but guess what they don't make you rich and famous.

What world are you living in to think a famous actresses weight is not a big deal? You are detached from reality.

We’ve moved on. The comment to the trainer is not actionable as sexual harassment of Blake because it was not made to Blake, he intended for Blake to not know of his conversation with the trainer, and was for a valid work purpose. For it to be even possibly be actionable, the question would have had to be directly to Blake.

It wasn't valid or necessary. You don't just get to say so and demand everyone move on.

Even if you don’t agree on those points, he didn’t pose the question to Blake. A very basic part of the cause of action is that actionable statements are made directly to the plaintiff. There is no sexual harassment by victim proxy.

So spreading rumors behind someone's back wouldn't be sexual harassment? I think you need to go back to law school.

Rumors about what? How much she weighs? that’s not a rumor - and asking a question discreetly is not “spreading rumors.”

Blake PR team - you are outclassed here. I know I’m not the only lawyer on this thread, let alone not the only lawyer with a background in sexual harassment cases, let alone on the plaintiff’s side.

BL’s facts are very very weak - embarrassingly so for her. Her retaliation claim is stronger but even so, on shakey ground due to lack of temporal proximity and the intervening acts that Baldoni can say he was responding to that have nothing to do with Blake raising a bona fide complaint.

Lively's PR team isn't on this thread and the people you are accusing of it are asking reasonable questions.

But in any case, no one is being "outclassed" by the army of Baldoni bros here. Lol.

All I hear is people yelling "I'm a lawyer" in their best Harvey Levin voice and think everyone should bow down.

are you a lawyer? Feel free to cite some case law in the relevant jurisdiction where asking about someone’s weight that relates to a job duty is sexual harassment. Particularly when the ask was not made directly to the person.

My what a busy lawyer we have here! Spends all day trying to impress Urban mommies with her legal skills since nobody will actually hire her to play one in real life.

cool, so where are the case cites again? I actually do want to read them.

They would be news to you, that's for sure.

Different lawyer poster and it would be news to all of us because it so clearly doesn’t exist.

Lol. And I actually genuinely want to read the cases. Always interesting to read a crazy set of facts.

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Anonymous wrote:But then he knows the weight of this famous person, and, if he wants to be a jerk about it later, he can laugh about it with his friends, or float out to the public how much she weighed after her baby etc. I think it's a touchy subject in Hollywood, and i don't think famous actresses just want their weight to be public knowledge. While he seemed to have a reason for the info, that reason could also just be a pretext -- and as others have said, he could easily solve the back problem without knowing the precise weight.

And for that matter, why didn't he just tell the trainer "With my back issues I can handle weights of up to 170 pounds, can you help me with strategies for whatever weight we have here?" rather than asking for her weight? Why did he think it was fine to come to the table with absolutely nothing? Seems like he didn't know his own weight lifting limits and was just fishing for personal info, which is gross.

Does anyone really care? Is anyone that interested in exactly how much Jennifer Aniston etc weigh? We can see what these people look like, often in revealing outfits or scenes etc, who is "floating out in public" or sharing that # with a bunch of ppl?

I think a lot of the reaction here is that if you are soooo sensitive about a lot of minor things, this kind of field or role is not for you. Lots of other jobs out there but guess what they don't make you rich and famous.

What world are you living in to think a famous actresses weight is not a big deal? You are detached from reality.

We’ve moved on. The comment to the trainer is not actionable as sexual harassment of Blake because it was not made to Blake, he intended for Blake to not know of his conversation with the trainer, and was for a valid work purpose. For it to be even possibly be actionable, the question would have had to be directly to Blake.

It wasn't valid or necessary. You don't just get to say so and demand everyone move on.

Even if you don’t agree on those points, he didn’t pose the question to Blake. A very basic part of the cause of action is that actionable statements are made directly to the plaintiff. There is no sexual harassment by victim proxy.

So spreading rumors behind someone's back wouldn't be sexual harassment? I think you need to go back to law school.

Rumors about what? How much she weighs? that’s not a rumor - and asking a question discreetly is not “spreading rumors.”

Blake PR team - you are outclassed here. I know I’m not the only lawyer on this thread, let alone not the only lawyer with a background in sexual harassment cases, let alone on the plaintiff’s side.

BL’s facts are very very weak - embarrassingly so for her. Her retaliation claim is stronger but even so, on shakey ground due to lack of temporal proximity and the intervening acts that Baldoni can say he was responding to that have nothing to do with Blake raising a bona fide complaint.

Lively's PR team isn't on this thread and the people you are accusing of it are asking reasonable questions.

But in any case, no one is being "outclassed" by the army of Baldoni bros here. Lol.

All I hear is people yelling "I'm a lawyer" in their best Harvey Levin voice and think everyone should bow down.

That's because the Baldoni bros got mad earlier in the thread when some actual lawyers weighed in to point out basic things likes that Baldoni has to prove actual malice in his case against the NYT or that at this stage there is no way to know which narrative, Lively's or Baldoni's, will prevail in the case because none of us has the facts. So now a bunch of them will just say "by the way, I'm a lawyer" to try and give their trolling validity. So now it's devolved into "I'm a lawyer" and "No, I'm a lawyer" and "we're all lawyers here" while people spout nonsense that clearly indicates they are not, in fact, lawyers (or if they are, they are very bad ones).

It's comical.

There was some pretty good, detailed discussion about the NYT case. Consensus was (me included, a “Baldoni bro”) that there is no real case there. Some maybe legitimate disagreement about whether the NYT will settle. and some gallows humor about this being the vehicle to undo Sullivan.

Again this is DCUM and so probably has the highest concentration of very well trained lawyers of any anonymous message board commenting on celebrity matters, ha ha.

This is a hilariously inaccurate summary lol.

Ok want to restart the discussion then?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

He didn't like that she asked him to stop and retaliated by launching a PR smear campaign.

This. Baldoni was worried that Lively would start revealing all the MANY weird, invasive, and inappropriate things he did on the production. Including some stuff that was sexual but also including stuff that was just obnoxious and unprofessional. That's why he hired the PR firm and that's why they brought on a crisis specialist -- because they knew the details about how Baldoni had behaved on set could destroy him professionally.

Think about that. They didn't bring on a crisis specialist because they were worried Lively was going to randomly invent lies about Baldoni. They were worried she would reveal what had actually happened, and Baldoni's behavior was questionable enough that the truth coming out was considered a "crisis" for him and his team.

He went on the offensive instead, hiring Johnny Depp's PR/crisis team, and hasn't let up since.

Well Ryan Reynolds has shut down comments on Instagram, so Baldoni's strategy seems to be getting to sexy Ryno.

You mean Baldoni's strategy of astroturfing negative stories about Lively online so that the truth about his inappropriate and misogynistic behavior on the set of the movie never comes to light.

Yes, that strategy has been very damaging. That's the whole point.

Look up TJ Miller's interview about why he never wants to work with Ryan Reynolds again. It's on You Tube. Reynold had issues long before they put out the astroturf for the football game or whatever.

TJ Miller who was accused of choking, shaking, and punching a woman in the mouth during a sexual encounter? That one?

His opinion from two years ago about working with Lively's husband seems not particularly relevant here, but I LOVE that you think you can assign people the task of googling this old-ass interview and that we'll all just run off to do it and watch some interview that is probably 90% about other stuff in the hopes of getting 90 seconds of him criticizing RR, and that this will somehow make us think, "Oooooh, now I get it. Lively must be lying about Baldoni."

Hilarious. Keep it up, this is too funny.

The point is your claim that everyone loved Blake and Ryan Reynolds until Baldoni came along is inaccurate. It does not mean everything Blake and Ryan say is a lie. But maybe they are not as widely well regarded as you believe.

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So the pro-Baldoni folks in this thread think hiring a PR firm for the purpose of giving Lively the Amber Heard treatment and specifically flooding social media with negative and untrue posts about Lively is a perfectly acceptable way to behave, I guess.

To me, there is a right way and a wrong way to use PR. Lots of people hire a PR firm to represent their viewpoint out in the press. this whole LIE LIE LIE and DESTROY THEM approach isn't what most people do.

You Baldoni bros seem to be saying that's fine, and you support a guy who would do that. That tells me everything I need to know about you.

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Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Baldoni folks in this thread think hiring a PR firm for the purpose of giving Lively the Amber Heard treatment and specifically flooding social media with negative and untrue posts about Lively is a perfectly acceptable way to behave, I guess.

To me, there is a right way and a wrong way to use PR. Lots of people hire a PR firm to represent their viewpoint out in the press. this whole LIE LIE LIE and DESTROY THEM approach isn't what most people do.

You Baldoni bros seem to be saying that's fine, and you support a guy who would do that. That tells me everything I need to know about you.

Hand waving, so much hand waving.

Keep up sweetie - we are talking about the merits of the cases. Not what is right or wrong.