Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope a lawyer would clarify whether asking about a woman’s weight is in fact sexual harassment—not the poster who is obsessed with fat shaming.

Lol. I am actually a lawyer but don't specialize in workplace or harassment issues. However, as a person who exists in society, I will give you a tip:

Do not ask people (men or women or children) about their weight unless they've hired you to do so because you are a healthcare or fitness professional helping them with a weight-related issue.

And because I guess it needs to be said, also do not try to make an end run around the above [extremely obvious] rule by asking someone's healthcare or fitness professional to disclose the person's weight to you behind their back.

The question was for lawyers, with the implication that they specialize in this. Not sure why you took time to reply with a non answer.

Also, don’t give people advice they didn’t ask for.

If you don't know that you shouldn't be asking people their weight and that yes, this could be considered sexual harassment in a work context, they you probably get a lot of unsolicited advice because you are oblivious to very basic things about social interactions and people.

you’re totally wrong.
Signed,
Actual sexual harassment lawyer

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

It is actionable. If you were at work and your boss kept telling you they were talking to your dead dad and you repeatedly asked them not to and they kept doing it, it would 100% be actionable. Behavior like that can make it hard for someone to do their job, impact their mental health, and be a violation of a worker's privacy.

Lively's complaint is not just about sexual harassment.

The cause of action is Sexual Harassment, so no.

They allege multiple causes of action including sexual harassment, breach of contract, other employment violations, false light invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and retaliation against an employee for raising harassment and other employment concerns. There are actually 13 causes of action put forth in her complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

you fundamentally misunderstand the legal process but that’s ok.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope a lawyer would clarify whether asking about a woman’s weight is in fact sexual harassment—not the poster who is obsessed with fat shaming.

Lol. I am actually a lawyer but don't specialize in workplace or harassment issues. However, as a person who exists in society, I will give you a tip:

Do not ask people (men or women or children) about their weight unless they've hired you to do so because you are a healthcare or fitness professional helping them with a weight-related issue.

And because I guess it needs to be said, also do not try to make an end run around the above [extremely obvious] rule by asking someone's healthcare or fitness professional to disclose the person's weight to you behind their back.

The question was for lawyers, with the implication that they specialize in this. Not sure why you took time to reply with a non answer.

Also, don’t give people advice they didn’t ask for.

If you don't know that you shouldn't be asking people their weight and that yes, this could be considered sexual harassment in a work context, they you probably get a lot of unsolicited advice because you are oblivious to very basic things about social interactions and people.

you’re totally wrong.
Signed,
Actual sexual harassment lawyer

Well I can see why you are on DCUM in the middle of the day on a weekday instead of working with clients because you are apparently terrible at your job.

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None of you have any idea what standard language is in an actor’s contract with regard to appearance. You are all acting like a Walmart supervisor asked Becky what her weight was and spread rumors about her. Models and actors don’t just get to show up on set looking like whatever they want to.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

you fundamentally misunderstand the legal process but that’s ok.

It's funny when someone posts a lengthy explanation that clearly explains basic aspects of legal procedure and the trolls just come on with these one liners to say "you're wrong." Like notice there's no correction here. Because there's nothing to correct. This is a perfectly reasonable description of why someone would seek a gag order pending discovery in a high profile case -- there is nothing wrong about it.

It's very easy to say someone is wrong. It's much harder to actually explain HOW you think they are wrong, or to offer information that you claim is correct. That would require knowing something and being able to communicate it. These trolls can't do that, though, so they revert to just saying "this is incorrect" and leaving it at that, assuming that no one will ever ask, "... well wait then what is correct?"

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Anonymous wrote:But then he knows the weight of this famous person, and, if he wants to be a jerk about it later, he can laugh about it with his friends, or float out to the public how much she weighed after her baby etc. I think it's a touchy subject in Hollywood, and i don't think famous actresses just want their weight to be public knowledge. While he seemed to have a reason for the info, that reason could also just be a pretext -- and as others have said, he could easily solve the back problem without knowing the precise weight.

And for that matter, why didn't he just tell the trainer "With my back issues I can handle weights of up to 170 pounds, can you help me with strategies for whatever weight we have here?" rather than asking for her weight? Why did he think it was fine to come to the table with absolutely nothing? Seems like he didn't know his own weight lifting limits and was just fishing for personal info, which is gross.

Does anyone really care? Is anyone that interested in exactly how much Jennifer Aniston etc weigh? We can see what these people look like, often in revealing outfits or scenes etc, who is "floating out in public" or sharing that # with a bunch of ppl?

I think a lot of the reaction here is that if you are soooo sensitive about a lot of minor things, this kind of field or role is not for you. Lots of other jobs out there but guess what they don't make you rich and famous.

What world are you living in to think a famous actresses weight is not a big deal? You are detached from reality.

We’ve moved on. The comment to the trainer is not actionable as sexual harassment of Blake because it was not made to Blake, he intended for Blake to not know of his conversation with the trainer, and was for a valid work purpose. For it to be even possibly be actionable, the question would have had to be directly to Blake.

It wasn't valid or necessary. You don't just get to say so and demand everyone move on.

Even if you don’t agree on those points, he didn’t pose the question to Blake. A very basic part of the cause of action is that actionable statements are made directly to the plaintiff. There is no sexual harassment by victim proxy.

So spreading rumors behind someone's back wouldn't be sexual harassment? I think you need to go back to law school.

Rumors about what? How much she weighs? that’s not a rumor - and asking a question discreetly is not “spreading rumors.”

Blake PR team - you are outclassed here. I know I’m not the only lawyer on this thread, let alone not the only lawyer with a background in sexual harassment cases, let alone on the plaintiff’s side.

BL’s facts are very very weak - embarrassingly so for her. Her retaliation claim is stronger but even so, on shakey ground due to lack of temporal proximity and the intervening acts that Baldoni can say he was responding to that have nothing to do with Blake raising a bona fide complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:None of you have any idea what standard language is in an actor’s contract with regard to appearance. You are all acting like a Walmart supervisor asked Becky what her weight was and spread rumors about her. Models and actors don’t just get to show up on set looking like whatever they want to.

So, if you have an issue with an actor's contract and compliance do you a) ask their trainer or b) talk to the actor and/or their agent, lawyer or other representative?

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Anonymous wrote:None of you have any idea what standard language is in an actor’s contract with regard to appearance. You are all acting like a Walmart supervisor asked Becky what her weight was and spread rumors about her. Models and actors don’t just get to show up on set looking like whatever they want to.

This case has nothing to do with a contract specification for Lively's weight. Baldoni has not claimed that Lively's contract specified she maintain a certain weight or that his questions about her weight were related to her contract obligations. In fact the opposite -- Lively expressed concerns about her own weight to Baldoni regarding recovering from her pregnancy/childbirth and he said nothing about this being a contractual concern.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

It is actionable. If you were at work and your boss kept telling you they were talking to your dead dad and you repeatedly asked them not to and they kept doing it, it would 100% be actionable. Behavior like that can make it hard for someone to do their job, impact their mental health, and be a violation of a worker's privacy.

Lively's complaint is not just about sexual harassment.

No it’s not actionable. Are you some Gen Zer who believes that “toxic workplace” is a cause of action?

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Anonymous wrote:But then he knows the weight of this famous person, and, if he wants to be a jerk about it later, he can laugh about it with his friends, or float out to the public how much she weighed after her baby etc. I think it's a touchy subject in Hollywood, and i don't think famous actresses just want their weight to be public knowledge. While he seemed to have a reason for the info, that reason could also just be a pretext -- and as others have said, he could easily solve the back problem without knowing the precise weight.

And for that matter, why didn't he just tell the trainer "With my back issues I can handle weights of up to 170 pounds, can you help me with strategies for whatever weight we have here?" rather than asking for her weight? Why did he think it was fine to come to the table with absolutely nothing? Seems like he didn't know his own weight lifting limits and was just fishing for personal info, which is gross.

Does anyone really care? Is anyone that interested in exactly how much Jennifer Aniston etc weigh? We can see what these people look like, often in revealing outfits or scenes etc, who is "floating out in public" or sharing that # with a bunch of ppl?

I think a lot of the reaction here is that if you are soooo sensitive about a lot of minor things, this kind of field or role is not for you. Lots of other jobs out there but guess what they don't make you rich and famous.

What world are you living in to think a famous actresses weight is not a big deal? You are detached from reality.

We’ve moved on. The comment to the trainer is not actionable as sexual harassment of Blake because it was not made to Blake, he intended for Blake to not know of his conversation with the trainer, and was for a valid work purpose. For it to be even possibly be actionable, the question would have had to be directly to Blake.

It wasn't valid or necessary. You don't just get to say so and demand everyone move on.

Even if you don’t agree on those points, he didn’t pose the question to Blake. A very basic part of the cause of action is that actionable statements are made directly to the plaintiff. There is no sexual harassment by victim proxy.

So spreading rumors behind someone's back wouldn't be sexual harassment? I think you need to go back to law school.

Rumors about what? How much she weighs? that’s not a rumor - and asking a question discreetly is not “spreading rumors.”

Blake PR team - you are outclassed here. I know I’m not the only lawyer on this thread, let alone not the only lawyer with a background in sexual harassment cases, let alone on the plaintiff’s side.

BL’s facts are very very weak - embarrassingly so for her. Her retaliation claim is stronger but even so, on shakey ground due to lack of temporal proximity and the intervening acts that Baldoni can say he was responding to that have nothing to do with Blake raising a bona fide complaint.

I'm embarrassed at all the pretend lawyers on here discrediting their profession, which isn't always held in high esteem, but that's beside the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

There is so much wrong with this, but let’s start with him saying he is communing with her dead dad is not remotely sexual harassment.

What is it then? Is it normal?

Where is the sexual component? He’s allowed to be odd, that isn’t sexual harassment, or even actionable at all.

It is actionable. If you were at work and your boss kept telling you they were talking to your dead dad and you repeatedly asked them not to and they kept doing it, it would 100% be actionable. Behavior like that can make it hard for someone to do their job, impact their mental health, and be a violation of a worker's privacy.

Lively's complaint is not just about sexual harassment.

The cause of action is Sexual Harassment, so no.

They allege multiple causes of action including sexual harassment, breach of contract, other employment violations, false light invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and retaliation against an employee for raising harassment and other employment concerns. There are actually 13 causes of action put forth in her complaint.

Kitchen sink garbage pleadings. We’ve all seen it.

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Anonymous wrote:But then he knows the weight of this famous person, and, if he wants to be a jerk about it later, he can laugh about it with his friends, or float out to the public how much she weighed after her baby etc. I think it's a touchy subject in Hollywood, and i don't think famous actresses just want their weight to be public knowledge. While he seemed to have a reason for the info, that reason could also just be a pretext -- and as others have said, he could easily solve the back problem without knowing the precise weight.

And for that matter, why didn't he just tell the trainer "With my back issues I can handle weights of up to 170 pounds, can you help me with strategies for whatever weight we have here?" rather than asking for her weight? Why did he think it was fine to come to the table with absolutely nothing? Seems like he didn't know his own weight lifting limits and was just fishing for personal info, which is gross.

Does anyone really care? Is anyone that interested in exactly how much Jennifer Aniston etc weigh? We can see what these people look like, often in revealing outfits or scenes etc, who is "floating out in public" or sharing that # with a bunch of ppl?

I think a lot of the reaction here is that if you are soooo sensitive about a lot of minor things, this kind of field or role is not for you. Lots of other jobs out there but guess what they don't make you rich and famous.

What world are you living in to think a famous actresses weight is not a big deal? You are detached from reality.

We’ve moved on. The comment to the trainer is not actionable as sexual harassment of Blake because it was not made to Blake, he intended for Blake to not know of his conversation with the trainer, and was for a valid work purpose. For it to be even possibly be actionable, the question would have had to be directly to Blake.

It wasn't valid or necessary. You don't just get to say so and demand everyone move on.

Even if you don’t agree on those points, he didn’t pose the question to Blake. A very basic part of the cause of action is that actionable statements are made directly to the plaintiff. There is no sexual harassment by victim proxy.

So spreading rumors behind someone's back wouldn't be sexual harassment? I think you need to go back to law school.

Rumors about what? How much she weighs? that’s not a rumor - and asking a question discreetly is not “spreading rumors.”

Blake PR team - you are outclassed here. I know I’m not the only lawyer on this thread, let alone not the only lawyer with a background in sexual harassment cases, let alone on the plaintiff’s side.

BL’s facts are very very weak - embarrassingly so for her. Her retaliation claim is stronger but even so, on shakey ground due to lack of temporal proximity and the intervening acts that Baldoni can say he was responding to that have nothing to do with Blake raising a bona fide complaint.

Lively's PR team isn't on this thread and the people you are accusing of it are asking reasonable questions.

But in any case, no one is being "outclassed" by the army of Baldoni bros here. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

I'm not actually sensitive about my weight at all and I've also been the person doing the lifting, including lifting people who are bigger than I am. I also have chronic back issues. There are professional ways to handle this issue.

And yes, if someone did this while also doing the other things Baldoni is accused of, I think that would constitute sexual harassment. On its own it would merely be tacky/annoying. But Lively's complaint is not merely alleging Baldoni sexually harassed her by asking her trainer about her weight. It's of a piece with a bunch of behaviors that taken together, may constitute harassment.

Wasn’t the video a piece of her allegations though? Why is she trying to gag the lawyer if the video proves her claims?

She is asking that discovery be conducted via the normal process, instead of piecemeal via the press and a website where they trickle out cherry picked evidence they think will make Lively look bad and taint the jury pool.

If there is footage from the production that shows Baldoni being unequivocally gross and inappropriate, do you think Baldoni and his lawyer are going to release that to the press? Of course not. They'll bury that in discovery and hope that by the time it comes out, they have so effectively destroyed Lively's reputation that no one cares. This is also what happened with Amber Heard, who did in fact have compelling evidence of Depp being abusive, but by the time it came out she had been so thoroughly raked over the coals that no one cared. It's the same playbook.

So it's reasonable for Lively to ask that evidence go through the discovery process, where it all has to be disclosed and both parties have access to it. Then the evidence comes out together and people can decide based on all the info. Baldoni and his lawyer want to present people with their best evidence that Lively is wrong so that they are in the best possible position when evidence that makes Baldoni looks bad comes out (and I feel pretty confident such evidence exists, it always does in these he said/she said cases -- there is going to to be stuff that make Baldoni look terrible, like footage of him telling Lively he's communing with her dead dad for instance). It's a game.

Lively is not trying to prevent the evidence from coming out at all, she's asking that the evidence be released in a way that doesn't unfairly disadvantage her at trial.

you fundamentally misunderstand the legal process but that’s ok.

It's funny when someone posts a lengthy explanation that clearly explains basic aspects of legal procedure and the trolls just come on with these one liners to say "you're wrong." Like notice there's no correction here. Because there's nothing to correct. This is a perfectly reasonable description of why someone would seek a gag order pending discovery in a high profile case -- there is nothing wrong about it.

It's very easy to say someone is wrong. It's much harder to actually explain HOW you think they are wrong, or to offer information that you claim is correct. That would require knowing something and being able to communicate it. These trolls can't do that, though, so they revert to just saying "this is incorrect" and leaving it at that, assuming that no one will ever ask, "... well wait then what is correct?"

I mean, when some Dunning-Kruger brain vomits out something fundamentally stupid, there’s not much point in rebutting it. Safe to say, PP has no idea what they are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:But then he knows the weight of this famous person, and, if he wants to be a jerk about it later, he can laugh about it with his friends, or float out to the public how much she weighed after her baby etc. I think it's a touchy subject in Hollywood, and i don't think famous actresses just want their weight to be public knowledge. While he seemed to have a reason for the info, that reason could also just be a pretext -- and as others have said, he could easily solve the back problem without knowing the precise weight.

And for that matter, why didn't he just tell the trainer "With my back issues I can handle weights of up to 170 pounds, can you help me with strategies for whatever weight we have here?" rather than asking for her weight? Why did he think it was fine to come to the table with absolutely nothing? Seems like he didn't know his own weight lifting limits and was just fishing for personal info, which is gross.

Does anyone really care? Is anyone that interested in exactly how much Jennifer Aniston etc weigh? We can see what these people look like, often in revealing outfits or scenes etc, who is "floating out in public" or sharing that # with a bunch of ppl?

I think a lot of the reaction here is that if you are soooo sensitive about a lot of minor things, this kind of field or role is not for you. Lots of other jobs out there but guess what they don't make you rich and famous.

What world are you living in to think a famous actresses weight is not a big deal? You are detached from reality.

We’ve moved on. The comment to the trainer is not actionable as sexual harassment of Blake because it was not made to Blake, he intended for Blake to not know of his conversation with the trainer, and was for a valid work purpose. For it to be even possibly be actionable, the question would have had to be directly to Blake.

It wasn't valid or necessary. You don't just get to say so and demand everyone move on.

Even if you don’t agree on those points, he didn’t pose the question to Blake. A very basic part of the cause of action is that actionable statements are made directly to the plaintiff. There is no sexual harassment by victim proxy.

So spreading rumors behind someone's back wouldn't be sexual harassment? I think you need to go back to law school.

Correct. A lot of you have lost the plot. Just because he is weird or she was offended, does not give rise to a legal claim.