Josh Duggar arrested and in federal custody

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If he put his fingers in their vaginas however slightly, he raped them. Period.

Which he didn’t so there is no need to further derail the thread.

How do you know that? You absolutely don’t. You certainly can’t trust Josh Duggar’s accounting, and probably not the girls’ either since they are all still under the coercive influence of their parents.

WTF is wrong with you? What he did was bad enough, why do you insist on speculating and adding more, and then to accuse his victims of lying? about the abuse they experience, it just had to be worse to satisfy you. Reevaluate your life. Get some help!

DP but the charge was forcible groping of the genitals. It's bizarre to assert, on the basis of nothing, that that action absolutely did not entail a finger entering a vagina to any degree. We don't know that he did but you don't know that he didn't and the charge certainly leaves open the possibility. If you followed the link upthread it takes you to the actual police interviews of the girls at the time it was brought to the police's attention and they say they don't know or remember what happened because they were so young and he did it to them while they were sleeping. They woke up to him throwing himself on the ground to try to hide.

And we do know he almost beat a prostitute to death later and now child pornography, so it's especially weird to take the position that "what he did was bad enough" as though he didn't continue to commit sex crimes and it already hasn't gotten worse.

[Anonymous]

Ok, I know it’s fiction, but what about the mother in “Room”? She should have lost her child because she didn’t keep him safe? She didn’t escape when she could have?

I’m sorry, but I 100% think Anna was essentially held captive.

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If he put his fingers in their vaginas however slightly, he raped them. Period.

Which he didn’t so there is no need to further derail the thread.

How do you know that? You absolutely don’t. You certainly can’t trust Josh Duggar’s accounting, and probably not the girls’ either since they are all still under the coercive influence of their parents.

WTF is wrong with you? What he did was bad enough, why do you insist on speculating and adding more, and then to accuse his victims of lying? about the abuse they experience, it just had to be worse to satisfy you. Reevaluate your life. Get some help!

DP but the charge was forcible groping of the genitals. It's bizarre to assert, on the basis of nothing, that that action absolutely did not entail a finger entering a vagina to any degree. We don't know that he did but you don't know that he didn't and the charge certainly leaves open the possibility. If you followed the link upthread it takes you to the actual police interviews of the girls at the time it was brought to the police's attention and they say they don't know or remember what happened because they were so young and he did it to them while they were sleeping. They woke up to him throwing himself on the ground to try to hide.

And we do know he almost beat a prostitute to death later and now child pornography, so it's especially weird to take the position that "what he did was bad enough" as though he didn't continue to commit sex crimes and it already hasn't gotten worse.

No, I don't know and you don't know what he did speculating on the exact details of abuse is disgusting and so is insisting he had to have done specific acts. You are so way over the line here, and as I said before you need to stop and reevaluate.

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Anonymous wrote:The worst part of all this? Nothing is going to happen to him. He might get house arrest. But they will let him walk.

No they won’t. You don’t know the feds on child pornography.

I know people who had house arrest and that was it. I am serious when I say nothing will happen.

What was the nature of the CP? How solid was the evidence that they searched for and downloaded it themselves? How many files? I am sure you’re serious but not sure you know what you’re talking about.

It was over 600 files. I know what I am talking about. In this politcal climate, he may get more. But see above about the guy who had 6 months to a year max and then just went home. They seriously don't do anything to these guys. It made me lose a lot of faith in the system. It also scared me to death he wasn't on the sex offenders list. He can't go near schools etc but no nieghbor would know except for neighborhood gossip and some pointed googling.

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+1

And historically speaking, this severing of the maternal instance thanks to cultural conditioning is pretty common. Think femicide in China, Spartan mothers getting happy about their kids dying in battle and letting babies who looked weak be left out to die... I won’t go on because this is depressing.

Anyway, she should be held accountable, because cultural conditioning is a reason but not an excuse, but I wouldn’t assume that she actually could have made different choices.

Accountable for what, and by whom?

She was the only other adult who did not protect her kids. Child services will take them away. She should be in jail. She knowingly had more children with a known child molester.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I know it’s fiction, but what about the mother in “Room”? She should have lost her child because she didn’t keep him safe? She didn’t escape when she could have?

I’m sorry, but I 100% think Anna was essentially held captive.

Plus if she divorced him he'd have the kids without supervision half the time. We see moms on this board saying they won't divorce their poor executive functioning DHs because the kids would be the ones to suffer when they forget to pack their sports equipment; this is that concern to the millionth degree.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys know Josh is the actual pervert here, right? What’s the obsession with Anna?

This one is easy actually. Because we can and do accept that some members of society are simply evil -- like Josh. This is black and white, uncomplicated in some way.

What is much harder to accept and understand -- what becomes galling -- are the enablers. The seemingly average, everyday people who surround the evil person, enable that person, could have prevented more harm ... and didn't. And that leaves us asking, demanding: How could they?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I know it’s fiction, but what about the mother in “Room”? She should have lost her child because she didn’t keep him safe? She didn’t escape when she could have?

I’m sorry, but I 100% think Anna was essentially held captive.

Plus if she divorced him he'd have the kids without supervision half the time. We see moms on this board saying they won't divorce their poor executive functioning DHs because the kids would be the ones to suffer when they forget to pack their sports equipment; this is that concern to the millionth degree.

Would he though? Considering the crimes he's now been charged with? I'd think he'd automatically lose custody, no? A poor executive functioning DH is very different from a DH who is a known pedophile and sex offender I would think.

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Anonymous wrote:He is disgusting. It does make me wonder if he experienced sexual abuse as a child. There is something so creepy about Jim Bob. I think Anna is a victim here, she doesn't know how to get herself or children out of a horrible situation.

She may be a victim but if she can’t keep her children away from a sexual abuser, then she is not a competent legal guardian.

+1 As a mother, I can't understand not having that instinct to get your kids away from something like that. It wouldn't take me half a second to run far away from someone like that if I had kids with him....regardless of any religious brainwashing. Being a mother comes first.

You clearly don't understand brainwashing or humans. If being a mother was all it took from preventing child abuse we'd be a lot better off in this world, Sadly,it doesn't work that way.

That’s not what she said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If he put his fingers in their vaginas however slightly, he raped them. Period.

Which he didn’t so there is no need to further derail the thread.

How do you know that? You absolutely don’t. You certainly can’t trust Josh Duggar’s accounting, and probably not the girls’ either since they are all still under the coercive influence of their parents.

WTF is wrong with you? What he did was bad enough, why do you insist on speculating and adding more, and then to accuse his victims of lying? about the abuse they experience, it just had to be worse to satisfy you. Reevaluate your life. Get some help!

DP but the charge was forcible groping of the genitals. It's bizarre to assert, on the basis of nothing, that that action absolutely did not entail a finger entering a vagina to any degree. We don't know that he did but you don't know that he didn't and the charge certainly leaves open the possibility. If you followed the link upthread it takes you to the actual police interviews of the girls at the time it was brought to the police's attention and they say they don't know or remember what happened because they were so young and he did it to them while they were sleeping. They woke up to him throwing himself on the ground to try to hide.

And we do know he almost beat a prostitute to death later and now child pornography, so it's especially weird to take the position that "what he did was bad enough" as though he didn't continue to commit sex crimes and it already hasn't gotten worse.

No, I don't know and you don't know what he did speculating on the exact details of abuse is disgusting and so is insisting he had to have done specific acts. You are so way over the line here, and as I said before you need to stop and reevaluate.

Learn how to read. DP = different poster; I said that it is not knowable which is why your insistence that he didn't do it is wrong. And you said believe the victims and I'm telling you that before they were groomed for the "Josh is Forgiven TV Tour" what they actually told investigators is that they didn't know what happened because he molested them in their sleep and they were too young to know what was going on. That's in the publicly available police docs. You are not speculating on the exact details any less than the people you're arguing with, you're just #teamjosh in your speculations.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused about why the thread almost immediately turned to trashing the wife/mother rather than the guy just indicted for CP under 12.

This! Pull yourselves together, people.

She chose to stay and keep having children with this pervert even after the sister molestation story came out.

You do not understand what she grew up in. You don’t.

Excuses, excuses.

Jill and Jinger grew up in the same cult.

PROTECT YOUR DAMN KIDS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The worst part of all this? Nothing is going to happen to him. He might get house arrest. But they will let him walk.

No they won’t. You don’t know the feds on child pornography.

I know people who had house arrest and that was it. I am serious when I say nothing will happen.

What was the nature of the CP? How solid was the evidence that they searched for and downloaded it themselves? How many files? I am sure you’re serious but not sure you know what you’re talking about.

It was over 600 files. I know what I am talking about. In this politcal climate, he may get more. But see above about the guy who had 6 months to a year max and then just went home. They seriously don't do anything to these guys. It made me lose a lot of faith in the system. It also scared me to death he wasn't on the sex offenders list. He can't go near schools etc but no nieghbor would know except for neighborhood gossip and some pointed googling.

This is seriously frightening. And infuriating that these people aren't locked up for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I know it’s fiction, but what about the mother in “Room”? She should have lost her child because she didn’t keep him safe? She didn’t escape when she could have?

I’m sorry, but I 100% think Anna was essentially held captive.

Plus if she divorced him he'd have the kids without supervision half the time. We see moms on this board saying they won't divorce their poor executive functioning DHs because the kids would be the ones to suffer when they forget to pack their sports equipment; this is that concern to the millionth degree.

Would he though? Considering the crimes he's now been charged with? I'd think he'd automatically lose custody, no? A poor executive functioning DH is very different from a DH who is a known pedophile and sex offender I would think.

No. He wasn't charged with these crimes until today - people are saying she's guilty for not leaving him earlier. One of his previous scandals, the one where her brother offered to put her up, was cheating on Ashley Madison. There's zero chance he'd automatically lose custody for infidelity. Men who have put their wives and kids in the hospital in documented abuse cases still get custody. It's fantasy land to say that because he molested his sisters (and ostensibly stopped) 20 years prior a judge wouldn't let him have custody of his kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused about why the thread almost immediately turned to trashing the wife/mother rather than the guy just indicted for CP under 12.

This! Pull yourselves together, people.

She chose to stay and keep having children with this pervert even after the sister molestation story came out.

You do not understand what she grew up in. You don’t.

Excuses, excuses.

Jill and Jinger grew up in the same cult.

PROTECT YOUR DAMN KIDS.

In the same cult but not the same family. YOu do not know what Anna experienced in her life. And Even though Jinger and Jill are wearing pants and trying different hairstyles I wouldn't put them on a pedestal just yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I know it’s fiction, but what about the mother in “Room”? She should have lost her child because she didn’t keep him safe? She didn’t escape when she could have?

I’m sorry, but I 100% think Anna was essentially held captive.

Plus if she divorced him he'd have the kids without supervision half the time. We see moms on this board saying they won't divorce their poor executive functioning DHs because the kids would be the ones to suffer when they forget to pack their sports equipment; this is that concern to the millionth degree.

Would he though? Considering the crimes he's now been charged with? I'd think he'd automatically lose custody, no? A poor executive functioning DH is very different from a DH who is a known pedophile and sex offender I would think.

No. He wasn't charged with these crimes until today - people are saying she's guilty for not leaving him earlier. One of his previous scandals, the one where her brother offered to put her up, was cheating on Ashley Madison. There's zero chance he'd automatically lose custody for infidelity. Men who have put their wives and kids in the hospital in documented abuse cases still get custody. It's fantasy land to say that because he molested his sisters (and ostensibly stopped) 20 years prior a judge wouldn't let him have custody of his kids.

Oh well I'd agree with you there. Though if Anna doesn't leave him now she's just an idiot. I'm willing to bet there's slew of hot shot lawyers who would be willing to take on her case if she left him.