Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

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I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

To piggy back off of this - my concern and the pools here is that if you do not follow the rules and by some chance you become a covid outbreak center then you are negligent and liable. So allowing adults to float around or kids to play together (in the above example) you are now violating the regulations. Just follow the rules as stated and then you won't be negligent. Would suck if a pool gets sued.

I don’t care if you lock yourself and your family in your house until 2022.

But please log off the internet and leave the rest of use alone

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our Phase 1 has gone well. We opened with 6 lanes for lap swim and one additional in a shallower pool for walking laps. 45 minute blocks are reserved with the additional 15 minutes to clean, which is plenty because there isn’t much to clean in Phase 1. Phase 2 planning is in the works. While pool decks aren’t going to be required to have a limited capacity unless there for a social group (as spectators, for a party, picnic), we will have a set number of reservations and are looking at having table groups at least 10’ apart. They will probably be more like 18’ apart. A number of tables will be reservable by those who only want to sunbathe or read for example. Those tables will be allowed to use the dive since dive areas will be able to be open. So if you are someone who likes to just jump in when you get hot, that works for you. 10’ markings on deck to separate those wanting to dive. Other tables are reserved to match lap lanes, so lap lane 6 gets table 6, lap lane 5 gets table 5, etc. We will allow three per lap lane, but will limit it to the membership (household) that has that lane. The dive is open to anybody that has a table. Overall capacity will be of course reduced by the limited number of tables available to reserve. So if we had 9 tables available every 1.5 hours that’s the cap. If a family of 5 reserved a table they can still only swim 3 in their lane at a time. The family or household unit will have to work that out. They also have to stay with their table group and maintain 10’ from others. The 10’ distancing is the tough part, but this is in the early stages of planning and we won’t move to another phase until we are sure of our plan. Our youngest, non-swimmers also lose out but again, our plan is not yet set

Interesting. Can the people in lane 5 get in to cool off and then read at their table or can you only sit on the deck near the dive area?

I think I understand what you are asking. Tables will be spread out a around the deck. Table 5 won’t necessarily be next to lane 5. If you have table 5 and go hop in and out of lane 5 I don’t foresee us admonishing that person. I guess you could swim a lap and then get out.

Yes that’s what I meant. Not that it’s nearby but if a family has A lane is the table merely to keep their stuff or is sitting allowed? Do they have to stay swimming the whole time.

I think that’s the hope of phase 2...it can look a little more like what people are used to except you’re probably only socializing with your own family and not others. But many people at our pool get in to cool off a bit and then read at their table or relax so just clarifying that’s what you mean would be allowed.

Oh yes, most definitely. The VDH even said someone can sit by the pool and read a book. They don’t have to be participating in the water.

I will add that our guards will not be tasked with policing distancing. We do plan on having board members at the pool to help with the new structure as people get used to it. We always serve shifts the first few weekends we are open on a normal season so this will be similar. Board members will also help with the cleaning during the half hour gaps to not only help but set an example. We have thought about taking pictures or short video of members in line for the dive, entering the club and exiting, etc so that members have a model of what is expected.

Oh, and let’s assume a family will need an extra chair(s). Our thought is we have stacks spread around the perimeter. You would get a clean chair from the stack but you would not return it to the stack. The extra chairs would be returned to the stack after they are disinfected.

Again, this is just in the early stages of planning and is constantly evolving. I’m sure even after we enter the next phase it will have to be tweaked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

To piggy back off of this - my concern and the pools here is that if you do not follow the rules and by some chance you become a covid outbreak center then you are negligent and liable. So allowing adults to float around or kids to play together (in the above example) you are now violating the regulations. Just follow the rules as stated and then you won't be negligent. Would suck if a pool gets sued.

I don’t care if you lock yourself and your family in your house until 2022.

But please log off the internet and leave the rest of use alone

New poster - Locking yourself in a room has nothing to do with it. Having someone in a position of power who is responsible for implementing an order of our governor in a way that purposefully breaks the rules is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our Phase 1 has gone well. We opened with 6 lanes for lap swim and one additional in a shallower pool for walking laps. 45 minute blocks are reserved with the additional 15 minutes to clean, which is plenty because there isn’t much to clean in Phase 1. Phase 2 planning is in the works. While pool decks aren’t going to be required to have a limited capacity unless there for a social group (as spectators, for a party, picnic), we will have a set number of reservations and are looking at having table groups at least 10’ apart. They will probably be more like 18’ apart. A number of tables will be reservable by those who only want to sunbathe or read for example. Those tables will be allowed to use the dive since dive areas will be able to be open. So if you are someone who likes to just jump in when you get hot, that works for you. 10’ markings on deck to separate those wanting to dive. Other tables are reserved to match lap lanes, so lap lane 6 gets table 6, lap lane 5 gets table 5, etc. We will allow three per lap lane, but will limit it to the membership (household) that has that lane. The dive is open to anybody that has a table. Overall capacity will be of course reduced by the limited number of tables available to reserve. So if we had 9 tables available every 1.5 hours that’s the cap. If a family of 5 reserved a table they can still only swim 3 in their lane at a time. The family or household unit will have to work that out. They also have to stay with their table group and maintain 10’ from others. The 10’ distancing is the tough part, but this is in the early stages of planning and we won’t move to another phase until we are sure of our plan. Our youngest, non-swimmers also lose out but again, our plan is not yet set

Interesting. Can the people in lane 5 get in to cool off and then read at their table or can you only sit on the deck near the dive area?

This is great planning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our Phase 1 has gone well. We opened with 6 lanes for lap swim and one additional in a shallower pool for walking laps. 45 minute blocks are reserved with the additional 15 minutes to clean, which is plenty because there isn’t much to clean in Phase 1. Phase 2 planning is in the works. While pool decks aren’t going to be required to have a limited capacity unless there for a social group (as spectators, for a party, picnic), we will have a set number of reservations and are looking at having table groups at least 10’ apart. They will probably be more like 18’ apart. A number of tables will be reservable by those who only want to sunbathe or read for example. Those tables will be allowed to use the dive since dive areas will be able to be open. So if you are someone who likes to just jump in when you get hot, that works for you. 10’ markings on deck to separate those wanting to dive. Other tables are reserved to match lap lanes, so lap lane 6 gets table 6, lap lane 5 gets table 5, etc. We will allow three per lap lane, but will limit it to the membership (household) that has that lane. The dive is open to anybody that has a table. Overall capacity will be of course reduced by the limited number of tables available to reserve. So if we had 9 tables available every 1.5 hours that’s the cap. If a family of 5 reserved a table they can still only swim 3 in their lane at a time. The family or household unit will have to work that out. They also have to stay with their table group and maintain 10’ from others. The 10’ distancing is the tough part, but this is in the early stages of planning and we won’t move to another phase until we are sure of our plan. Our youngest, non-swimmers also lose out but again, our plan is not yet set

Interesting. Can the people in lane 5 get in to cool off and then read at their table or can you only sit on the deck near the dive area?

This is great planning.

Thanks. We are trying. I keep telling myself it won't be perfect and I hope nobody expects it to be perfect. Right now we are getting 7 swimmers in per hour, so it's quite a bump up from that. We are far from done and we keep coming up with new ideas and texting back and forth. For example, we have club swimmers/college swimmers who are willing to post suggested sets for lap swim at three different levels (for lack of better terms easy/intermediate/challenge) or posting exercise suggestions. One member who used to teach baby and me classes and toddler classes offered to teach from the deck, but the problem we are running into there is we need to make sure parents can hold their kids during learn to swim sessions. We will allow parents to help children with disabilities as we feel that is a necessary accommodation to make. We have a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to larger families if we only allow three in at a time. It may be difficult to keep them they can't use another area that is empty but reserved. That's where we are getting into the weeds and the planning gets tough. Could we expect one to say to another, "I see you aren't using that lane at the moment..." or do we simply restrict them to the area reserved? Is it better to not assign lanes? The problem with that is say three are in a lane, one gets out to use the restroom and somebody else sees the chance and takes that space. With only 3 per lane will we end up with a, "move your feet lose your seat" type of situation? I'm leaning towards the household gets the lane/area assigned and if they don't fill it with 3 so be it. That's up to them for the 1.5 hours. If they get within the 10' feet at least it is between members of the same household. Again, it won't be perfect and we most likely will have to adjust as we move forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

Actually, it doesn't. When making a declarative statement about something being clear, it probably helps to read the guidance first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

Actually, it doesn't. When making a declarative statement about something being clear, it probably helps to read the guidance first.

Different poster:

Is there Anyone who really interprets phase 2 to include splashing and floating and any activity the member chooses?

[Anonymous]

The phase 2 language is unclear and they failed to define the terms used. Someone posted in another thread that their family members pool in southern va was just doing regular swimming. Now I’m down a rabbit hole of pools in that area and none seem to be just doing lap swimming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

Actually, it doesn't. When making a declarative statement about something being clear, it probably helps to read the guidance first.

Different poster:

Is there Anyone who really interprets phase 2 to include splashing and floating and any activity the member chooses?

Yes. We are interpreting exercise as all swimming activity. Nothing is defined so we are going with a plain reading of the text.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our Phase 1 has gone well. We opened with 6 lanes for lap swim and one additional in a shallower pool for walking laps. 45 minute blocks are reserved with the additional 15 minutes to clean, which is plenty because there isn’t much to clean in Phase 1. Phase 2 planning is in the works. While pool decks aren’t going to be required to have a limited capacity unless there for a social group (as spectators, for a party, picnic), we will have a set number of reservations and are looking at having table groups at least 10’ apart. They will probably be more like 18’ apart. A number of tables will be reservable by those who only want to sunbathe or read for example. Those tables will be allowed to use the dive since dive areas will be able to be open. So if you are someone who likes to just jump in when you get hot, that works for you. 10’ markings on deck to separate those wanting to dive. Other tables are reserved to match lap lanes, so lap lane 6 gets table 6, lap lane 5 gets table 5, etc. We will allow three per lap lane, but will limit it to the membership (household) that has that lane. The dive is open to anybody that has a table. Overall capacity will be of course reduced by the limited number of tables available to reserve. So if we had 9 tables available every 1.5 hours that’s the cap. If a family of 5 reserved a table they can still only swim 3 in their lane at a time. The family or household unit will have to work that out. They also have to stay with their table group and maintain 10’ from others. The 10’ distancing is the tough part, but this is in the early stages of planning and we won’t move to another phase until we are sure of our plan. Our youngest, non-swimmers also lose out but again, our plan is not yet set

Interesting. Can the people in lane 5 get in to cool off and then read at their table or can you only sit on the deck near the dive area?

This is great planning.

Thanks. We are trying. I keep telling myself it won't be perfect and I hope nobody expects it to be perfect. Right now we are getting 7 swimmers in per hour, so it's quite a bump up from that. We are far from done and we keep coming up with new ideas and texting back and forth. For example, we have club swimmers/college swimmers who are willing to post suggested sets for lap swim at three different levels (for lack of better terms easy/intermediate/challenge) or posting exercise suggestions. One member who used to teach baby and me classes and toddler classes offered to teach from the deck, but the problem we are running into there is we need to make sure parents can hold their kids during learn to swim sessions. We will allow parents to help children with disabilities as we feel that is a necessary accommodation to make. We have a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to larger families if we only allow three in at a time. It may be difficult to keep them they can't use another area that is empty but reserved. That's where we are getting into the weeds and the planning gets tough. Could we expect one to say to another, "I see you aren't using that lane at the moment..." or do we simply restrict them to the area reserved? Is it better to not assign lanes? The problem with that is say three are in a lane, one gets out to use the restroom and somebody else sees the chance and takes that space. With only 3 per lane will we end up with a, "move your feet lose your seat" type of situation? I'm leaning towards the household gets the lane/area assigned and if they don't fill it with 3 so be it. That's up to them for the 1.5 hours. If they get within the 10' feet at least it is between members of the same household. Again, it won't be perfect and we most likely will have to adjust as we move forward.

I assumed you’d have people sign up for lanes same as you’re already doing and then only that family can use those lanes. Also a larger family can get two lanes? Take turns if needed?

Our pool has a good community and the families know each other and the lifeguards belong and know the families so I don’t see it being an issue with people trying to steal lanes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

Actually, it doesn't. When making a declarative statement about something being clear, it probably helps to read the guidance first.

Different poster:

Is there Anyone who really interprets phase 2 to include splashing and floating and any activity the member chooses?

Everything about all of these restrictions across the board have been completely arbitrary from the beginning. I can't wait to skip ahead to Phase 3 and just be done with all this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our Phase 1 has gone well. We opened with 6 lanes for lap swim and one additional in a shallower pool for walking laps. 45 minute blocks are reserved with the additional 15 minutes to clean, which is plenty because there isn’t much to clean in Phase 1. Phase 2 planning is in the works. While pool decks aren’t going to be required to have a limited capacity unless there for a social group (as spectators, for a party, picnic), we will have a set number of reservations and are looking at having table groups at least 10’ apart. They will probably be more like 18’ apart. A number of tables will be reservable by those who only want to sunbathe or read for example. Those tables will be allowed to use the dive since dive areas will be able to be open. So if you are someone who likes to just jump in when you get hot, that works for you. 10’ markings on deck to separate those wanting to dive. Other tables are reserved to match lap lanes, so lap lane 6 gets table 6, lap lane 5 gets table 5, etc. We will allow three per lap lane, but will limit it to the membership (household) that has that lane. The dive is open to anybody that has a table. Overall capacity will be of course reduced by the limited number of tables available to reserve. So if we had 9 tables available every 1.5 hours that’s the cap. If a family of 5 reserved a table they can still only swim 3 in their lane at a time. The family or household unit will have to work that out. They also have to stay with their table group and maintain 10’ from others. The 10’ distancing is the tough part, but this is in the early stages of planning and we won’t move to another phase until we are sure of our plan. Our youngest, non-swimmers also lose out but again, our plan is not yet set

Interesting. Can the people in lane 5 get in to cool off and then read at their table or can you only sit on the deck near the dive area?

This is great planning.

Thanks. We are trying. I keep telling myself it won't be perfect and I hope nobody expects it to be perfect. Right now we are getting 7 swimmers in per hour, so it's quite a bump up from that. We are far from done and we keep coming up with new ideas and texting back and forth. For example, we have club swimmers/college swimmers who are willing to post suggested sets for lap swim at three different levels (for lack of better terms easy/intermediate/challenge) or posting exercise suggestions. One member who used to teach baby and me classes and toddler classes offered to teach from the deck, but the problem we are running into there is we need to make sure parents can hold their kids during learn to swim sessions. We will allow parents to help children with disabilities as we feel that is a necessary accommodation to make. We have a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to larger families if we only allow three in at a time. It may be difficult to keep them they can't use another area that is empty but reserved. That's where we are getting into the weeds and the planning gets tough. Could we expect one to say to another, "I see you aren't using that lane at the moment..." or do we simply restrict them to the area reserved? Is it better to not assign lanes? The problem with that is say three are in a lane, one gets out to use the restroom and somebody else sees the chance and takes that space. With only 3 per lane will we end up with a, "move your feet lose your seat" type of situation? I'm leaning towards the household gets the lane/area assigned and if they don't fill it with 3 so be it. That's up to them for the 1.5 hours. If they get within the 10' feet at least it is between members of the same household. Again, it won't be perfect and we most likely will have to adjust as we move forward.

I assumed you’d have people sign up for lanes same as you’re already doing and then only that family can use those lanes. Also a larger family can get two lanes? Take turns if needed?

Our pool has a good community and the families know each other and the lifeguards belong and know the families so I don’t see it being an issue with people trying to steal lanes.

Perhaps, but that would be subtracted from their total allowed for the week. Now, we are looking at allowing a family to reserve "last minute" if a slot remains available say 30 minutes prior and it wouldn't count against their total. We are still working it out. A lot has to be worked out and fine tuned.

All households pay the same dues, so it wouldn't be fair to allow more reservation times based on family size.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

Actually, it doesn't. When making a declarative statement about something being clear, it probably helps to read the guidance first.

Different poster:

Is there Anyone who really interprets phase 2 to include splashing and floating and any activity the member chooses?

Everything about all of these restrictions across the board have been completely arbitrary from the beginning. I can't wait to skip ahead to Phase 3 and just be done with all this nonsense.

What are you expecting for Phase 3? I was hoping for more trust on the state's part for Phase 2 and we didn't get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

Actually, it doesn't. When making a declarative statement about something being clear, it probably helps to read the guidance first.

Different poster:

Is there Anyone who really interprets phase 2 to include splashing and floating and any activity the member chooses?

Everything about all of these restrictions across the board have been completely arbitrary from the beginning. I can't wait to skip ahead to Phase 3 and just be done with all this nonsense.

What are you expecting for Phase 3? I was hoping for more trust on the state's part for Phase 2 and we didn't get it.

Phase 3 was supposed to be mostly return to normal, but that feels like it's going to be "Phase 4". I'd expect Phase 3 to involve upping capacity, hopefully removing some of these nonsensical Phase 2 clarifications (but probably adding more Phase 3 clarifications), pave the way for sports and return to school, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw this in the discussion on the school board. I like their thinking!!

“
I am on the pool in Fairfax and we have determined that any movement is exercise, so we will be open for any sort of activity the member chooses. (Kids splashing, adults floating, lap swimming, etc)

We will limit to 50 people, remove 50% of seating, require sign ups and disinfect between groups. ”

And they are completely violating the governor's orders. Phase 1 and 2 ONLY allow for lap lane swimming. It makes it very clear.

Actually, it doesn't. When making a declarative statement about something being clear, it probably helps to read the guidance first.

Different poster:

Is there Anyone who really interprets phase 2 to include splashing and floating and any activity the member chooses?

Everything about all of these restrictions across the board have been completely arbitrary from the beginning. I can't wait to skip ahead to Phase 3 and just be done with all this nonsense.

What are you expecting for Phase 3? I was hoping for more trust on the state's part for Phase 2 and we didn't get it.

Phase 3 was supposed to be mostly return to normal, but that feels like it's going to be "Phase 4". I'd expect Phase 3 to involve upping capacity, hopefully removing some of these nonsensical Phase 2 clarifications (but probably adding more Phase 3 clarifications), pave the way for sports and return to school, etc.

Phase 2 was written so much in favor of pools that profit from exercise classes and learn to swim programs. I can help but be skeptical.