Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)

[Anonymous]

Good for them for asking for clarification. I feel like a lot of Virginia’s plans don’t have sufficient detail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good for them for asking for clarification. I feel like a lot of Virginia’s plans don’t have sufficient detail.

Has anybody seen what other states have put out? They are quite detailed and some are fairly generous.

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/static/responsible/Pools-Aquatic-Centers.pdf

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-materials-and-resources

For example, South Carolina says https://www.scdhec.gov/sites/default/files/media/document/Interim%20Guidelines%20for%20Reopening%20Public%20Swimming%20Pools.pdf:
Guidelines Specifically for Public Swimming Pools
According to the CDC, the virus that causes COVID-19 cannot be spread to people through the water in pools,
hot tubs, spas, or water play areas. However, the opportunity for transmitting the virus does exist in
surrounding areas. In addition to the above safe-practices, swimming pools should comply with the following
additional guidelines to further minimize the potential for transmission and spread of COVID-19 in and around
pools:
1. Facilities should only allow 20% of normal occupancy or 5 people (staff and visitors) per 1000 square feet of pool
and deck area, whichever is less.
2. Person-to-person interaction and activities between members of separate households should be limited and
social distancing of six feet between them should be practiced.
3. Commonly used surfaces such as bathrooms, doors, handrails, ladders, gates, lawn chairs, drinking water
fountains, picnic tables, etc. should be cleaned and disinfected between each use by a different person, or at a
minimum, once a day.
4. Hand sanitizer should be provided for use by all staff and visitors.
5. Signs and/or examples of six foot areas related to social distancing should be posted.
6. Full compliance with SC Public Swimming Pool Regulation 61-51 is always required.
7. Remove from service or regularly disinfect sharable equipment (for example, kick boards, floats, etc.)
8. Consider lane reservations to allow family groups to use a lane or specific area of a pool.
9. Consider a phased approach to opening that brings back lane swimming and limited number participant classes
before opening for general swimming.
10. Life guards should continue to follow universal precautions when rendering first aid of any type to patrons.
11. Follow CDC guidelines regarding cleaning and disinfecting


The CDC has guidelines: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/parks-rec/aquatic-venues.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our pool shared a copy of the letter they sent to the Governor (something like 25+ pools wrote a letter together). They are trying to be allowed to open in Phase 2 and get more clarification about the rules.

Yes. There were 27 on that letter and the number is growing.

is there a copy of the letter somewhere?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Private clubs can reduce capacity and monitor reservations the same as a restaurant. In most cases a pool deck is much larger than a restaurant patio. Private clubs can implement much mitigation.

Sorry, I don't want to pay $800 ($600 annual plus $200 payment on investment in improvements) for a pool that we will be able to use for limited times due to reservations/capacity issues. I get that others might feel differently, but pools need to take this into account, and offer refunds for members that would prefer them.

Let's start with the premise that we are talking non-profit, membership social club pools. If you think pools should offer refunds to members who would prefer them, how do you think the pool should cover the shortfall? 1. Use up their reserves and jack up dues in future years to replenish reserves? 2. Increase dues for members for this summer who want to use the pool a limited amount? 3.Close the pool doors permanently and sell the land to a developer?

honestly they should just bump the membership. This is a great opportunity for those on waitlists to get in. I would pay for a premium pool that has a six year waitlist in Arlington. Even if I didn't get to use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our pool shared a copy of the letter they sent to the Governor (something like 25+ pools wrote a letter together). They are trying to be allowed to open in Phase 2 and get more clarification about the rules.

Yes. There were 27 on that letter and the number is growing.

is there a copy of the letter somewhere?

Its posted on page 2 at 17:05

[Anonymous]

Gotta love that the letter references with pride that most VA pools have been open since the 1950s. Gee, I wonder why that is. 🧐 The pools have a place in the community now but there is no reason to celebrate or reference their beginnings with pride.

[Anonymous]

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honestly they should just bump the membership. This is a great opportunity for those on waitlists to get in. I would pay for a premium pool that has a six year waitlist in Arlington. Even if I didn't get to use it.

if by bump you mean kick out members who don't pay and move people off the waitlist- yeah we can probably do that.
But if by bump you mean increase membership, we can't do that. Our permits from the county limit our membership. So unless we have members actually resign their membership, we can't take people off the waitlist even if many of our current members don't want to go to the pool this summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

honestly they should just bump the membership. This is a great opportunity for those on waitlists to get in. I would pay for a premium pool that has a six year waitlist in Arlington. Even if I didn't get to use it.

if by bump you mean kick out members who don't pay and move people off the waitlist- yeah we can probably do that.
But if by bump you mean increase membership, we can't do that. Our permits from the county limit our membership. So unless we have members actually resign their membership, we can't take people off the waitlist even if many of our current members don't want to go to the pool this summer.

So if your member doesn't pay dues they are still a member? They have to resign?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

honestly they should just bump the membership. This is a great opportunity for those on waitlists to get in. I would pay for a premium pool that has a six year waitlist in Arlington. Even if I didn't get to use it.

if by bump you mean kick out members who don't pay and move people off the waitlist- yeah we can probably do that.
But if by bump you mean increase membership, we can't do that. Our permits from the county limit our membership. So unless we have members actually resign their membership, we can't take people off the waitlist even if many of our current members don't want to go to the pool this summer.

So if your member doesn't pay dues they are still a member? They have to resign?

most pools have an option for members to go inactive for the summer- by paying a relatively small amount- $100-200. The problem this summer is that if lots of members opt to go inactive, the pools can't take people off the waiting list b/c they will then be over capacity the next summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

honestly they should just bump the membership. This is a great opportunity for those on waitlists to get in. I would pay for a premium pool that has a six year waitlist in Arlington. Even if I didn't get to use it.

if by bump you mean kick out members who don't pay and move people off the waitlist- yeah we can probably do that.
But if by bump you mean increase membership, we can't do that. Our permits from the county limit our membership. So unless we have members actually resign their membership, we can't take people off the waitlist even if many of our current members don't want to go to the pool this summer.

So if your member doesn't pay dues they are still a member? They have to resign?

Our pool allows a membership to do a full summer rental of their membership one time only during the life of their membership. Basically, they don't access the pool that summer and someone near the top of the waitlist pays to use the membership for the year. Otherwise, members either pay or sell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

honestly they should just bump the membership. This is a great opportunity for those on waitlists to get in. I would pay for a premium pool that has a six year waitlist in Arlington. Even if I didn't get to use it.

if by bump you mean kick out members who don't pay and move people off the waitlist- yeah we can probably do that.
But if by bump you mean increase membership, we can't do that. Our permits from the county limit our membership. So unless we have members actually resign their membership, we can't take people off the waitlist even if many of our current members don't want to go to the pool this summer.

So if your member doesn't pay dues they are still a member? They have to resign?

most pools have an option for members to go inactive for the summer- by paying a relatively small amount- $100-200. The problem this summer is that if lots of members opt to go inactive, the pools can't take people off the waiting list b/c they will then be over capacity the next summer.

We have that option and the fee is $75, but it has to be approved by the board. We won’t approve inactive status if it is financially detrimental to the club. We do not have a waitlist. We are about 100 memberships short of our max bond membership amount. We can’t afford to lose members. We can’t afford current memberships to go without paying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

honestly they should just bump the membership. This is a great opportunity for those on waitlists to get in. I would pay for a premium pool that has a six year waitlist in Arlington. Even if I didn't get to use it.

if by bump you mean kick out members who don't pay and move people off the waitlist- yeah we can probably do that.
But if by bump you mean increase membership, we can't do that. Our permits from the county limit our membership. So unless we have members actually resign their membership, we can't take people off the waitlist even if many of our current members don't want to go to the pool this summer.

So if your member doesn't pay dues they are still a member? They have to resign?

most pools have an option for members to go inactive for the summer- by paying a relatively small amount- $100-200. The problem this summer is that if lots of members opt to go inactive, the pools can't take people off the waiting list b/c they will then be over capacity the next summer.

Why? At our pool, if a family goes inactive, you are not giving up your membership, you are simply allowing the pool to rent your space for the summer. It is done on a year by year basis. Getting a summer rental does not guarantee a summer rental the following year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Private clubs can reduce capacity and monitor reservations the same as a restaurant. In most cases a pool deck is much larger than a restaurant patio. Private clubs can implement much mitigation.

Sorry, I don't want to pay $800 ($600 annual plus $200 payment on investment in improvements) for a pool that we will be able to use for limited times due to reservations/capacity issues. I get that others might feel differently, but pools need to take this into account, and offer refunds for members that would prefer them.

I get that is seems unfair to pay for something you won't get to use on your terms, but there are unprecedented times. These pools are non-profits and they need the yearly dues to pay their bills. Now if you are strapped for cash contact the pool board and see what they can do. I know our pool said they would work with members who are in a tough financial position this year. Personally, I will be thankful for any time we can get at the pool this summer. I can't imagine how long the summer will be with no pool at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Link to letter?

May 12, 2020
The Honorable Ralph Northam Governor
Commonwealth of Virginia Post Office Box 1475 Richmond, Virginia 23218
Dear Governor Northam:
Thank you for continuing to provide guidance to the residents of the Commonwealth as you plan to safely reopen our economy. We, the undersigned 27 community pools in Northern Virginia, understand the difficulty developing policies regarding a novel and unprecedented virus present and appreciate all efforts to return the Commonwealth to some level of normalcy. Today we are writing to seek clarity as it relates to community outdoor pools during Phases I and II and ask that you consider the unique characteristics and circumstances of nonprofit community swimming pools as you establish further guidelines.
Nonprofit community pools have been a foundational part of local Virginia communities, many in operation since the 1950s. They are places where people from disparate backgrounds gather to escape the heat, exercise, compete, and visit with neighbors. This large network of community pools is why northern Virginia is home to the second‐largest swim league in the nation ‐‐ the Northern Virginia Swim League (NVSL) – which boasts roughly 17,000 young swimmers. Many of our members need their pool now more than ever. With school, spring sports, religious events, and other activities now cancelled, the pool may be the last place to escape, particularly during the coming summer swelter. While we, our members, and their children are extremely disappointed the NVSL cancelled the summer swim and dive season, we hope to salvage some element of exercise, repose, and camaraderie for our anxious members.
The uncertainty created by the current situation is particularly deleterious to community pools. We are member‐funded nonprofits organized under section 501(c)(7) of the federal tax code. Community pools are run by volunteer boards of directors and are aided by scores of volunteers that help make our organizations successful. We are all spending significant funds to prepare our pools for opening, which for most of us is usually Memorial Day weekend. Collectively, we support thousands of direct and indirect jobs, many of which go to hundreds of local high school and college students who work as lifeguards, swim and dive coaches, snack bar workers and other seasonal positions. If we are not able to make offers now, we may not be able to secure the personnel needed to run our pools.
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We appreciate the decision to open the Virginia economy requires balancing different equities. After reviewing your May 9th press conference and the accompanying PowerPoint presentation as well as Executive Orders 61 and 62, we continue to be uncertain about when or under what conditions we may operate. For example, EO 61 permits only 1 person per swim lane. While EO 61 limits the number of people in the pool, it is not clear if the ten‐person gathering rule applies only to the pool or the entire pool area (pool + deck). According to scientific data, outdoor activity is lower risk1, and sunlight2 and chlorine3 seem to deactivate the virus. This data, and the unique nature and benefits provided by outdoor pools, should be weighed as you provide community pools the guidance and clarity that we need for operating this summer.
As your COVID‐19 Business Task Force considers what Phase II might allow, we welcome the opportunity to contribute to the process. We can answer questions and provide information on the composition of our membership, including the specific needs of our young members, the risk profile of outdoor pools, and the nature of nonprofit community pool economics so we can operate for the 2020 summer season and beyond. We have established our own reopening working group with experts from our collective communities to consider these important matters. Our clubs, in conjunction with some of our pool management companies, are also working closely to share best practices. Our goal is to provide our members with a safe and healthy environment for family recreation.
We fully recognize the difficult task you have in deciding how to reopen Virginia. If needed to provide the clarification we are seeking, we stand ready to serve as a resource. Please don’t hesitate to contact Will Moschella ([e-mail]), President of High Point Pool and Tony Poole (tpoole@ajw‐inc.com), President of Highlands Swim and Tennis Club.
Sincerely,
1. Leonardo Sarli, President, Arlington Forest Club
2. Paul Hedrick, President, Chesterbrook Swim & Tennis Club
3. Doug Cox, Vice President, Country Club Hills Pool
4. Jennifer Smith, President, Dominion Hills Area Recreation Association
5. Bob Hutchison, President, Donaldson Run Recreation Association
1 Johnson, Marty, The Hill, New study finds few cases of outdoor transmission of coronavirus in China (April 23, 2020).
2 Kosnar, Michael, NBC News, Inside the secret DHS lab testing how long coronavirus can survive on shopping carts and in sunlight, May 6, 2020.
3 Centers for Disease Control, Water and COVID-19 FAQs, (“There is no evidence that the virus that causes COVID-19 can be spread to people through the water in pools, hot tubs, spas, or water play areas.”).
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6. Greg Schossler, President, Fair Oaks Recreation Association
7. Aimee Gallagher, President, Great Falls Swim and Tennis Club
8. Stephanie Leger Short, President, Hamlet Swim and Tennis Club
9. Jennifer Guy, President, Highland Park Pool
10. Will Moschella, President, High Point Pool
11. Tony Poole, President, Highlands Swim and Tennis Club
12. Jim McGovern, President, Hunt Valley Swim Club
13. Meghan Thomas, President, Kent Gardens Recreation Club
14. Dave Borsos, President, Langley Swim and Tennis Club
15. Tim Aubry, President, Lee‐Graham Swimming Pool
16. Mark Murphy, President, McLean Swim and Tennis Association
17. Lauren Bazel, Commodore, Mount Vernon Yacht Club
18. Chuck Monnig, President, Mosby Woods Pool
19. Bob Neuman, President, Overlee Community Association
20. Dan O'Grady, President, Poplar Heights Recreation Association
21. Andrew M. Orlando, President, Sleepy Hollow Bath and Racquet Club
22. Mike Bizer, President, Sleepy Hollow Recreation Association
23. Bill English Sr., President, Tuckahoe Recreation Club
24. AJ Oskuie, President, Vienna Woods Swim Club
25. Eliza Jacobs, President, Virginia Hills Swim Club
26. John Ellenberger, President, Villa Aquatic Club
27. Brian Costanzo, President, WayneWood Recreation Association
cc:
Libby Garvey, Chair, Arlington County Board
Jeff McKay, Chair, Fairfax County Board of Supervisors
Phyllis Randall, Chair, Loudoun County Board of Supervisors Ann Wheeler, Chair, Prince William County Board of Supervisors Justin Wilson, Mayor, Alexandria City Council
David Tarter, Mayor, Falls Church City Council
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[Anonymous]

I live in the Newington Forest neighborhood in Springfield, and our HOA’s pool just announced it was closing for the whole summer. They laid out a bunch of regulations they would have had to follow which are news to me, like no furniture on the pool decks and only 10 people allowed in at a time including lifeguards? Has anyone heard of this? If that’s true information, I don’t think any of the pools will choose to open.