This is a blue state bug (for now at least)

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Anonymous wrote:Which states currently have the most new cases per capita? Deep red vaccine and mask refusing states like Wyoming, Florida, Nevada, Utah, Arkansas... Which states are currently most hit by the Delta variant? Largely the same states...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-spreads-rapidly-across-162436575.html

Sadly, Nevada is impacted because Vegas.

Dems should not travel perhaps? That spreads virus.

Dems have been vaccinated for the most part. Not as much of an issue.

It's more of an issue for those pro-life Bible thumpers, who tend to be Republican.

Stories like this make me go 'hmmm'. There's never any spread at any Dem event

Yep, because Dems have been far more likely than Republicans to a.) get vaccinated, b.) mask up, c.) socially distance and/or d.) avoid big crowded events altogether - all of which help contain spread
Just facts - no conspiracies needed

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Anonymous wrote:Which states currently have the most new cases per capita? Deep red vaccine and mask refusing states like Wyoming, Florida, Nevada, Utah, Arkansas... Which states are currently most hit by the Delta variant? Largely the same states...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-spreads-rapidly-across-162436575.html

Sadly, Nevada is impacted because Vegas.

Dems should not travel perhaps? That spreads virus.

Dems have been vaccinated for the most part. Not as much of an issue.

It's more of an issue for those pro-life Bible thumpers, who tend to be Republican.

Stories like this make me go 'hmmm'. There's never any spread at any Dem event

Yep, because Dems have been far more likely than Republicans to a.) get vaccinated, b.) mask up, c.) socially distance and/or d.) avoid big crowded events altogether - all of which help contain spread
Just facts - no conspiracies needed

Before vaccination existed, there were huge crowds on Democrats at protests, funerals, etc. No social distancing, lots of people without masks. There was never news of spread.

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Anonymous wrote:Which states currently have the most new cases per capita? Deep red vaccine and mask refusing states like Wyoming, Florida, Nevada, Utah, Arkansas... Which states are currently most hit by the Delta variant? Largely the same states...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-spreads-rapidly-across-162436575.html

Sadly, Nevada is impacted because Vegas.

Dems should not travel perhaps? That spreads virus.

Dems have been vaccinated for the most part. Not as much of an issue.

It's more of an issue for those pro-life Bible thumpers, who tend to be Republican.

Stories like this make me go 'hmmm'. There's never any spread at any Dem event

Yep, because Dems have been far more likely than Republicans to a.) get vaccinated, b.) mask up, c.) socially distance and/or d.) avoid big crowded events altogether - all of which help contain spread
Just facts - no conspiracies needed

Before vaccination existed, there were huge crowds on Democrats at protests, funerals, etc. No social distancing, lots of people without masks. There was never news of spread.

Protests are outside which reduces the risk of infection. There were reports of outbreaks from funerals.

As someone pointed out, Dems are more likely to wear a mask even if they are not vaccinated. I know a liberal who doesn't want to get the vax because of the concerns around how quickly it was created and mass produced. BUT, ths person wears a mask everywhere. Most Rs who don't want to get vax, also don't wear masks. They still see covid19 as a regular cold.

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Stories like this make me go 'hmmm'. There's never any spread at any Dem event

Since the virus doesn't care about political ideology or any other factors (ie geography, skin color, education level, religion etc) then one can conclude that if the virus isn't spreading at events attended by Dems, that the Dems attending must have received the vaccine in sufficient numbers to curtail any spread.

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Before vaccination existed, there were huge crowds on Democrats at protests, funerals, etc. No social distancing, lots of people without masks. There was never news of spread.

Many/most at those events were in fact masked, and they were outdoors, which in hindsight, was a big factor.

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Fake new is strong in R-land.

When you have Fox News talking heads talking about consipracy theories and how the vax is a way for the government to see how much they can get away with or how this is a way for the rx companies to make money, well, it's no wonder that a high number of low information Trump voters refuse to get vax.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/neighbors-called-covid-19-hoax-140128891.html

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If the U.S. had half the pace of Biden's vaccinations there would have been 121,000 additional deaths and more than 450,000 additional hospitalizations.

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Before vaccination existed, there were huge crowds on Democrats at protests, funerals, etc. No social distancing, lots of people without masks. There was never news of spread.

Many/most at those events were in fact masked, and they were outdoors, which in hindsight, was a big factor.

Are you sure about that?

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Before vaccination existed, there were huge crowds on Democrats at protests, funerals, etc. No social distancing, lots of people without masks. There was never news of spread.

Many/most at those events were in fact masked, and they were outdoors, which in hindsight, was a big factor.

Are you sure about that?

Yes, Trump said it was safe outside in the sun. He’s always ahead of the game. He also noticed Biden has dementia.. and will be proven correct again.

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Before vaccination existed, there were huge crowds on Democrats at protests, funerals, etc. No social distancing, lots of people without masks. There was never news of spread.

Many/most at those events were in fact masked, and they were outdoors, which in hindsight, was a big factor.

That's a great feat in June 2020:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/15/theres-a-double-standard-from-pols-with-protests-and-coronavirus/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow

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Anonymous wrote:Which states currently have the most new cases per capita? Deep red vaccine and mask refusing states like Wyoming, Florida, Nevada, Utah, Arkansas... Which states are currently most hit by the Delta variant? Largely the same states...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-spreads-rapidly-across-162436575.html

Sadly, Nevada is impacted because Vegas.

Dems should not travel perhaps? That spreads virus.

Dems have been vaccinated for the most part. Not as much of an issue.

It's more of an issue for those pro-life Bible thumpers, who tend to be Republican.

'Bible thumpers' include lots of POC, including Democrats. The provincialism and naivete of this board is disturbing.

DP, but you are ignoring the bar chart posted above, that shows that GOP are the largest group of anti-vaxxers in the US. Yes, poor people are hard to reach and African-Americans have a reason to be distrustful, but the numbers don't lie.

I'm afraid it *only* shows that of *those* groups the GOP is the largest group.

People can classified into many, many groups with different overlapping characteristics dependent on the person. Saying one or the other group is the 'largest group of anti-vaxxer in the US' isn't anywhere near as easy and simple as you pretend it to be.

What does that have to do with the appalling anti-vaccination sentiment within the GOP?

I take the view that getting the largest number of people of vaccinated, aka as close to broad protection, is a more important thing than falling for a simple political narrative.

Yes, that certain Republicans make hay about vaccines is bad, but I don't see it as half the story many of you would like it to be.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s like this everywhere.

Blue states actually end up masking their Trumpers. Look at CA. The counties in the Bay Area are the highest in the country. Those areas have been doing lots of outreach to the lower income areas in their county. Look at San Diego or Central Valley which are very red. Very low vaccination rates.

Republican areas have two problems. Whites who have access to the vaccine but lap up FOX’s message to not get vaccinated and a local government that will do as little as possible for the lower income AA and Latinos to get access.

Where in your paradigm do you fit low vaccination rate, low income areas in DC, Balto, Philly, and NYC? All the cities have maps online and it’s clear the differences within the cities are disturbing.

Not as disturbing as the amount of Republicans who won’t get a vaccine.

You would need to actually see the data within cities to make that judgment, but you obviously haven’t.

Doubly Credulous, Utterly Moronic

Then show it already! Don't just hand wave some mythical online map, show it.

ugh, you can tell an MSNBC viewer the truth, but you can't make them think!

Here's DC's map. Click on the 'Coverage' link for the map, the page defaults to 'Administration':
https://coronavirus.dc.gov/data/vaccination#tab2

Here's Baltimore's map:
https://baltimore.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/4b64b6e8c0014b6998d767fcf077bfaf

Here's Philadelphia's map. Underneath "PDPH Vaccination Dashboard" click on "Resident Demographics" as the page defaults to "Overall":
https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/data/vaccine/

Here's NYC's map, scroll down to "Vaccinations by Zip Code":
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page#byzip

Pattern of low vaccination rates in poorer areas follows almost universally even in one-party deep blue cities. Red states simply have a much higher-% of poor people, including many poor minorities.

Then why does the Georgetown neighborhood, according to that map, have one of the lowest vaccination rates? All those poor people living there? Or is it all the Republicans living there?
Or, maybe, those numbers on the DC website aren't accurate?

Regardless, these are the 5 least vaccinated states, which coincidentally have some of the highest percentage of support for Donald Trump.

Mississippi - 29.9% fully vaccinated
Alabama - 32.9% fully vaccinated
Arkansas - 34.5% fully vaccinated
Louisiana - 35.3% fully vaccinated
Wyoming - 35.4% fully vaccinated

Georgetown has a denominator problem with the student population, there are people that are hard to track due to having two residences and that problem has been heightened by closed dorms/remote learning . There's an issue of double-counting that's well known in demographics. It's utterly predictable. You'll note the area near GWU and CUA also have the same issue.


And all of those 'Trump states' have vast numbers of poor people. 2016 and 2020 saw Dems win big in rich counties and the GOP win big in poor counties. But it's fascinating to note the over-arching rule is poor people don't get vaccinated at anywhere near the rates of the better off. The political affiliation narrative is what has been drilled into peoples heads and they struggle to see anything else.

I'm pretty sure responding to my own post will cause this to be flagged...hi, Jeff!

But I saw a blog say essentially what I said above about DC's vaccination rates. Because this is potentially life and death, I'm sharing in the hopes that people see I'm not just an internet crank:
https://mikethemadbiologist.com/2021/07/07/i-think-d-c-wont-reach-herd-immunity-in-time/

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I see the Trumpers or trolls here digesting the vaccine does not work.

Trump got the vaccine secretly. So did his wife.

Trump wore a mask.

Why would he do these things if they did not work?

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Anonymous wrote:I see the Trumpers or trolls here digesting the vaccine does not work.

Trump got the vaccine secretly. So did his wife.

Trump wore a mask.

Why would he do these things if they did not work?

Is there a vaccine that prevents being obsessed with Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:Which states currently have the most new cases per capita? Deep red vaccine and mask refusing states like Wyoming, Florida, Nevada, Utah, Arkansas... Which states are currently most hit by the Delta variant? Largely the same states...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-spreads-rapidly-across-162436575.html

Sadly, Nevada is impacted because Vegas.

Dems should not travel perhaps? That spreads virus.

Dems have been vaccinated for the most part. Not as much of an issue.

It's more of an issue for those pro-life Bible thumpers, who tend to be Republican.

'Bible thumpers' include lots of POC, including Democrats. The provincialism and naivete of this board is disturbing.

DP, but you are ignoring the bar chart posted above, that shows that GOP are the largest group of anti-vaxxers in the US. Yes, poor people are hard to reach and African-Americans have a reason to be distrustful, but the numbers don't lie.

I'm afraid it *only* shows that of *those* groups the GOP is the largest group.

People can classified into many, many groups with different overlapping characteristics dependent on the person. Saying one or the other group is the 'largest group of anti-vaxxer in the US' isn't anywhere near as easy and simple as you pretend it to be.

What does that have to do with the appalling anti-vaccination sentiment within the GOP?

I take the view that getting the largest number of people of vaccinated, aka as close to broad protection, is a more important thing than falling for a simple political narrative.

Yes, that certain Republicans make hay about vaccines is bad, but I don't see it as half the story many of you would like it to be.

Good for you, most everyone else takes the same view. That's why it's so appalling to see the low vaccination numbers for Republicans