Palestinians Starving - What Can We Do?

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Citation? What’s the education level attained? And of the women with 4-7 children each and where are they employed?

It’s common for the Gazan men to have multiple wives. Many have 20 children from the numerous wives.

Why are births 60-65% male and 40% female.
How does that happen?

Lol Where are you getting your stats from? Polygamy is not common there at all. Neither is the full face veil (niqab). They are not Yemenis or Saudis. In fact, Israel has higher polygamy rate thanks to the Bedouins .

Palestinians are kinda snooty and look down on Bedouins and it’s why the Bedouins choose to live in Israel not anmong Palestinians. The Bedouins are marginalized in the Levant (Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine) because their culture is so different.

That’s why this one size fit all Palestinians are all Arab and can just permanently move to Kuwait or Saudi just doesn’t work.

It’s like expecting an Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jew to see eye to eye on things simply because they’re both Jewish. Totally different cultures

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Agree. There is no scenario in which these two groups exist in a single country. That isn’t happening.

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I hope Hamas can be defeated soon so that the kids won't be suffering any more.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Ah. You’re one of those.

So your theory is that we’re going to somehow force a nuclear-armed nation to (peaceably) accept its own demise?

What’s your plan to accomplish this? Unicorn magic?

I would be happy with withdrawing all US funding, and seeing how Israel survives. Let them accept the own fate that the created.

But if you're a proponent of a two-state solution, what do you think of a Palestinian state acquiring nuclear arms? Or would they not be allowed to? Is one just in the possession, but not the other?

You do realize that Palestinians aren’t unique in not having nuclear weapons, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Successfully? Are you effing kidding? Lebanon has seen its PM assassinated, endured a civil war, and suffered from endless sectarian tension/conflict.

Not a model that any serious person would suggest.

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Female literacy and education rates are nearly identical for Israelis and Palestinians. However women’s percentage in the workforce is much higher in Israel.

Percentage in the workforce is higher in Israel more generally relative to Palestine. Hard to create jobs when there's a constant fear of attack and bombs dropping.

Fear of attack like what happened at a musical festival to innocent civilians?

Hmm …

What is the greater tragedy?

A. 1,125 dead Israelis, over 300 of whom were active duty security services and another several hundred of whom had served dishonorably in the IDF.

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B. 35,000 dead women and children in Gaza, none of whom voted for Hamas.

No one buys Hamas’ reports of the number of dead in this conflict.

Even if it’s 1/2 of the reports (which I doubt)-that’s a whole lot of dead women and children in Gaza. Plus the foreign aid workers who the IDF accidentally killed as they tried to distribute food and medicine. So in your world the lives of 20k Palestinians are worth much less than 1,125 dead Israelis? There is a name for people who think that way….

I mean, the IDF targeted and bombed the World Central Kitchen workers THREE TIMES. The first strike didn’t kill everyone, so they got out of vans and fled and they were ALL ASSASINATED. And yet we as a loose group of Westerners did NOTHING to seek something like justice or even transparent answered for our nationals, who were there simply to provide food.

I used to be in these threads and the way pro-Netanyahu trolls live here just disgusts me. Nothing is enough. The goal is to kill all Palestinians in Gaza and pretend to have a moral high ground to have the US and other Western nations supply young soldiers, endless money and limitless weapons to Israel. Why? When is enough enough?

Unadulterated nonsense. This started with an evil act of terror on innocent civilians. It’s not pretending to have the moral high ground - no people capable of such atrocities as October 7 could have ever claimed it.

An evil act of terror that used pickup trucks and hot air balloons? Israel couldve stopped it and refused. They stopped missiles from Iran but couldn’t stop men without aircraft taking people by hand and foot? Israel couldve been at the Gaza border stopping the trucks Within seconds. Israel’s army commanders are also puzzled as to why Netanyahu put a pause to that.

Netanyahu wanted captives taken because he wanted a war to avoid going to jail or resignation.

Until Israelis face that truth, Hamas won’t be eliminated. Netanyahu wants them there

This.

Hamas is essentially an arm of Netanyahu's plan.

I find it insane that anyone thinks Hamas carried out the events of October 7th without complicity of the Israeli government.

They won’t admit it to us non jews but they know Netanyahu is a straight up loser. It’s kinda like the Palestinians who don’t want to condemn Hamas. Nobody wants to admit their guy is the jackass

Plenty of Jews, including Israeli Jews, openly admit they hate Bibi. There were and are regular protests against him in Israel.

He also is the longest running leader in the Middle East. That says something; doesnt it? He keeps winning elections there. There are also counter protests where loyalist protestors are calling hostage families and other protestors Hamas collaborators/sympathizers. Of course, we all know he is the sympathizer.

They can say they hate Bibi all they want but he’s been there since the Clinton administration. Despite facing resentment from multiple Israeli PM’s including Sharon, evidence of treason by aiding and abetting the assanination of Rabin and aiding and funding Hamas (both acts of treason worthy of jail time), he still stands strong.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Successfully? Are you effing kidding? Lebanon has seen its PM assassinated, endured a civil war, and suffered from endless sectarian tension/conflict.

Not a model that any serious person would suggest.

The civil war was not a real sectarian civil war. It was thanks to Palestinians and Israelis bringing their drama to Lebanon

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Hamas can be defeated soon so that the kids won't be suffering any more.

Me too.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

Is America a Christian state?

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

Is America a Christian state?

No. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Hamas can be defeated soon so that the kids won't be suffering any more.

Me too.

Right because Israel bombing 100 Palestinian children every day seems to be doing the job. Of course, Israel, which excels in ethnic cleansing and genocide, thought it wasn't fast enough so they are stepping up their game through forced starvation maybe it'll be thousands every day soon.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-commissioner-general-gaza-harrowing-least-100-children-are-reported-killed