Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:Institutionalized? Hilarious, such places don't exist. Who would pay?

NP here. They do still exist, they’re just called something else.

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Anonymous wrote:I teach kindergarten and I have to say it never occurred to me that I wouldn’t be allowed to search a student’s backpack or pockets. I go in their backpacks all the time to locate forms, put papers in etc. for older kids I wouldn’t but most 6 year olds still need assistance.

+1 same for any student in elemtary school where I've worked. I'll add that I've never had an admin who would not support teacher concerns if any kind of weapon were suspected. I honestly can't imagine what the members of this school's admin team (or at Ethan Crumblry"s school) were thinking!

They were terrified of getting sued by the kids parents. Some admin are so scared of this they will not handle any issue. Ironically they’re now going to get sued into the ground by the teacher who could have been killed because they were so unwilling to do anything that would protect her and the students but upset the boy’s negligent parents

I wonder if they’d threatened before. We have a family like that at our school. Kid is out of control, takes multiple staff to control but they refuse placement changes and threaten.

Contact your Senator and Congresspeople. Policy needs to be reviewed.

In my school, we'd go "due process". Essentially, we'd have to have a mediator come in and then probably a lawsuit. In this case, the school would win. They just got bullied by parents OR they had a terrible administration. Or both.

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Anonymous wrote:I teach kindergarten and I have to say it never occurred to me that I wouldn’t be allowed to search a student’s backpack or pockets. I go in their backpacks all the time to locate forms, put papers in etc. for older kids I wouldn’t but most 6 year olds still need assistance.

+1 same for any student in elemtary school where I've worked. I'll add that I've never had an admin who would not support teacher concerns if any kind of weapon were suspected. I honestly can't imagine what the members of this school's admin team (or at Ethan Crumblry"s school) were thinking!

They were terrified of getting sued by the kids parents. Some admin are so scared of this they will not handle any issue. Ironically they’re now going to get sued into the ground by the teacher who could have been killed because they were so unwilling to do anything that would protect her and the students but upset the boy’s negligent parents

I wonder if they’d threatened before. We have a family like that at our school. Kid is out of control, takes multiple staff to control but they refuse placement changes and threaten.

Contact your Senator and Congresspeople. Policy needs to be reviewed.

In my school, we'd go "due process". Essentially, we'd have to have a mediator come in and then probably a lawsuit. In this case, the school would win. They just got bullied by parents OR they had a terrible administration. Or both.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Institutionalized? Hilarious, such places don't exist. Who would pay?

For examplel,

https://www.devereux.org/site/SPageServer/;jsessionid=00000000.app20060a?NONCE_TOKEN=E40C73BBAD24C7B766FC86DABAD202A3&pagename=centers

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Anonymous wrote:Institutionalized? Hilarious, such places don't exist. Who would pay?

Another example,

https://stewarthome.com/

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Anonymous wrote:What happens to children like the 6 year old in this situation? Are they institutionalized for the remainder of their youth?

No. They send them to another public school and due to “privacy,” they do not inform the school admin of what’s coming their way.

Not this kid. No administrator will want that liability. This kid can do virtual for a few years until he does something that gets him sent to juvie

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Anonymous wrote:Institutionalized? Hilarious, such places don't exist. Who would pay?

NP here. They do still exist, they’re just called something else.

+1 for sure

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Anonymous wrote:Institutionalized? Hilarious, such places don't exist. Who would pay?

Another example,

https://stewarthome.com/

I’m familiar with Devereux, having worked there. I don’t recall that they take kids as young as six for their residential programs. And I didn’t see anything on the Stewart House website indicating that they take young children for residential or that they take violent kids. People who believe that something exists for kids like this little boy don’t know the reality of institutional programs, which is that very few take violent kids and very few accept kids under the age of 12.

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Anonymous wrote:Institutionalized? Hilarious, such places don't exist. Who would pay?

Another example,

https://stewarthome.com/

I’m familiar with Devereux, having worked there. I don’t recall that they take kids as young as six for their residential programs. And I didn’t see anything on the Stewart House website indicating that they take young children for residential or that they take violent kids. People who believe that something exists for kids like this little boy don’t know the reality of institutional programs, which is that very few take violent kids and very few accept kids under the age of 12.

PP who posted. I appreciate what you're saying. I was just trying to let the PP be aware that there are institutional/group home type settings. I wasn't checking for ages. Also, I have no idea about the cognitive functioning or diagnoses for the 6 year old in Newport News. I do know of some individuals with intellectual disabilities and/or an ASD diagnosis who have been living at the Stewart Home and School. Their website says "all ages."

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Anonymous wrote:Did I read that article correctly that they haven't been in school since the shooting and won't go back until next week?

That's even more appalling! I would have assumed a day or two off, but then get the kids and teachers back on campus with therapists and social workers. Instead all of the famlies in the school had to handle helping their children on their own, not to mention three weeks of childcare for those that work?

Ma'am or sir, a teacher nearly died...

There’s a subset of parents whose brains are so broken that they think there’s literally zero reason for a school building not to be operating on a particular day. Disease, extreme weather, lack of water/power… it’s hardly surprising that they think a student shooting a staff member is just a “oh that’s too bad, but what about ME?” moment.

+1 and a lot of it is becoming political. There is a true lack of empathy and humanity in our world today. Sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Institutionalized? Hilarious, such places don't exist. Who would pay?

Another example,

https://stewarthome.com/

I’m familiar with Devereux, having worked there. I don’t recall that they take kids as young as six for their residential programs. And I didn’t see anything on the Stewart House website indicating that they take young children for residential or that they take violent kids. People who believe that something exists for kids like this little boy don’t know the reality of institutional programs, which is that very few take violent kids and very few accept kids under the age of 12.

NP here. Just because there are few of them doesn’t equal that institutional homes being obsolete. They do still exist. A good friend of mine had to put her adoptive daughter in one in PA because she was so violent she tried to kill her, her DH and their other child, several times. They tried many other options for years and nothing worked. She was adopted at 12. It was a terrible situation for everyone. They are wealthy so they can afford to pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Did I read that article correctly that they haven't been in school since the shooting and won't go back until next week?

That's even more appalling! I would have assumed a day or two off, but then get the kids and teachers back on campus with therapists and social workers. Instead all of the famlies in the school had to handle helping their children on their own, not to mention three weeks of childcare for those that work?

Oh, for God’s sake. You can — gasp — when a teacher gets SHOT in the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:I would understand needing the kids out of school for a bit while the school determines how to handle the return. It is more then just Counselors and Therapy but also physically moving that first grade classroom. They are not going to want to send the kids in that class back to that classroom. I would also guess that there are lots of conversations about how to run that particular school after this type of a failure. They need to bring in new leadership at the school and let those folks get a handle on what is happening and start to have meetings with Staff and Teachers so that there is less chaos when they return to school.

I have not read what type of programs they have been offering for parents of kids attending that school, I would hope that they have been able to find a way to provide some camp like structure for working parents to use because it is a long time to be out of school and to try and find some type of child care solutions.

It’s public education, not public childcare. Amazing we went through COVID and people STILL don’t understand this.

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Students are returning to school today, with clear backpacks and metal detectors.
https://wtop.com/virginia/2023/01/virginia-school-announces-new-safety-protocols-as-students-return-to-class-nearly-a-month-after-a-6-year-old-allegedly-shot-a-teacher/

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Anonymous wrote:I would understand needing the kids out of school for a bit while the school determines how to handle the return. It is more then just Counselors and Therapy but also physically moving that first grade classroom. They are not going to want to send the kids in that class back to that classroom. I would also guess that there are lots of conversations about how to run that particular school after this type of a failure. They need to bring in new leadership at the school and let those folks get a handle on what is happening and start to have meetings with Staff and Teachers so that there is less chaos when they return to school.

I have not read what type of programs they have been offering for parents of kids attending that school, I would hope that they have been able to find a way to provide some camp like structure for working parents to use because it is a long time to be out of school and to try and find some type of child care solutions.

It’s public education, not public childcare. Amazing we went through COVID and people STILL don’t understand this.

Pretty much every school has a decent percentage of kids who have 2 working parents and no child care coverage. Most of those 2 working households are not in the position for a parent to stay home for weeks on end to watch the kids. Part of the reason virtual learning didn’t work for many kids was that there was no parent available to help the kids because both parents were working. Do you think the people stocking shelves during COVID were doing that because they felt comfortable being out when a highly infectious disease that could kill them was circulating or do you think they were doing it because they had to pay the bills? And if they were risking their lives to keep food on the shelves, do you think that they had the money to be able provide child care for their kids who suddenly were at home?

Get out of your economically privileged bubble and take a look at the real world. We ask schools to feed kids, provide counseling for kids, and more because schools are the one place we have access to kids who need help. My kids High School has a food pantry in it so that kids at the high school can pick up food for their family. My kids ES class helps put together backpacks of food for the weekend for kids who get most of their meals from the school. Schools are more then institutions of learning.

So yes, a sudden closure of school for 3 weeks is probably a hardship for some of the families at that school. It is not a reason to open the school before it is ready but it is a concern.