Severance

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Anonymous wrote:Also, to the person who is very seriously befuddled:

please, for the love of all that is good and holy, do a re-watch of this season or preferably the whole show again before you come back and ask more questions. You're really de-railing the whole discussion and I don't want to discuss this any further with you until you make the most basic effort to comprehend the show.

Or, if you're a child or just slow, this is not an appropriate show for you. Just move on.

What an a**hole you are !

(Let there is some entrance exam to post on the ENTERTAINMENT forum of DCUM. 🙄)

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Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

I mean, PP literally said she didn't understand how the Marks were talking to each other and it was very, very clear that they were sharing the video camera. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand that. So yeah, PP is stupid.

DP. The PP asked "So how were they talking by video?" But Mark switching between innie and outie wasn't really about the video camera, it was about his innie being inside the cabin and his outie being outside on the deck. The camera just allowed them to have the conversation asynchronously.

Thank you for being much more precise than the knee jerk critic.

If the switch is all mental (not physical), why was it even necessary for each Mark to be in a different place ? (Perhaps just a device to help the audience recognize who was talking at that moment?)

You really don’t seem to understand anything, including the very premise of the show. The entire show hinges on the exact thing you seem confounded by.

I see you really took that call for civility to heart.

I guess we all have our limitations.

That wasn't me. There are at least two other people who think this PP is clueless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, to the person who is very seriously befuddled:

please, for the love of all that is good and holy, do a re-watch of this season or preferably the whole show again before you come back and ask more questions. You're really de-railing the whole discussion and I don't want to discuss this any further with you until you make the most basic effort to comprehend the show.

Or, if you're a child or just slow, this is not an appropriate show for you. Just move on.

What an a**hole you are !

(Let there is some entrance exam to post on the ENTERTAINMENT forum of DCUM. 🙄)

It's more like when you're on episode 31 of a show and someone who's never seen an episode keeps interrupting to ask "who's that" and "why are they doing that" and "where are they" - your questions are so basic they seem to be coming from someone who has never actually watched the show. Go watch the show then come back and talk about it!

[Anonymous]

I wonder if Milchik as drum major could be alluding to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "Drum Major Instinct" sermon.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/drum-major-instinct

[Anonymous]

So many questions.

What does Helly mean when she says “I’m her?” Mark looks totally perplexed and yet he give up freedom for her?

Did reintegration not work? Neither mark knows a thing about the other?

Why did Hellys dad come to talk about the speech that day and not before, right after it happened?

Why would mark leaving mean the end of all the innies?

How does it work when you want to quit? How do you know not to show up at work the next day?

[Anonymous]

Oh and when helly watches him finish the file, how does she know it’s a happy one? Were they all sorting Gemma? How does that make sense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many questions.

What does Helly mean when she says “I’m her?” Mark looks totally perplexed and yet he give up freedom for her?

Did reintegration not work? Neither mark knows a thing about the other?

Why did Hellys dad come to talk about the speech that day and not before, right after it happened?

Why would mark leaving mean the end of all the innies?

How does it work when you want to quit? How do you know not to show up at work the next day?

You are brave to ask questions, with candor.
Some of these posters act like if you do not have their interpretation, there is something wrong with you.

I much prefer a respectful dialogue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many questions.

What does Helly mean when she says “I’m her?” Mark looks totally perplexed and yet he give up freedom for her?

Did reintegration not work? Neither mark knows a thing about the other?

Why did Hellys dad come to talk about the speech that day and not before, right after it happened?

Why would mark leaving mean the end of all the innies?

How does it work when you want to quit? How do you know not to show up at work the next day?

Innies can request to resign, but their outie has to agree to it and can say no. That's what happened with Helly in season 1 and Dylan this season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many questions.

What does Helly mean when she says “I’m her?” Mark looks totally perplexed and yet he give up freedom for her?

Did reintegration not work? Neither mark knows a thing about the other?

Why did Hellys dad come to talk about the speech that day and not before, right after it happened?

Why would mark leaving mean the end of all the innies?

How does it work when you want to quit? How do you know not to show up at work the next day?

I think Helly meant that in disgust, like "you think you like me but I am actually this horrible Eagan woman". She wants Mark to be aware of what he'd pick if he picks her.

Reintegration is not working very well/fast. Personally cannot stand outie Mark. They have seen quick glimpses of each other but that's it so far.

I think her dad comes to see her then because he figures he won't see her after: Helena came in as Helly to see the Gemma refinement through so her work as an innie is over.

Not sure it would mean all innies, but that department would no longer have a purpose. Possibly more implications for other innies depending on whatever the Gemma refinement success means concretely for the severance world.

The outies would know they submitted the request as an outie. The innie requests usually won't have much pull (we have seen that with Helly). In Dylan's case, the outie would have seen his request, written that note, left it open for Innie Dylan to decide, and then found out his answer as he left work. Then he'd know if he had to show up the next day.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read a lot of the posts, but, agree that I feel puzzled by what decade it is meant to be set in as well as location. All desolate. Constant winter. Weird light at all times. What are we supposed to be taking away from all of that?

I've entertained the idea that the outies are all actually the first layer down in Severance world, a la The Matrix. So the real world is actually a construct, and not physical, which is why everything is slightly off, it's always winter, etc. But there are a lot of things that also contradict that idea.

I just get the impression that Mark is not a hapless victim of Lumon.

One other thing in hung up on—has there been any indication of what knowledge or information the innies vs. outties retain? I couldn’t work out that the innies believed the waterfall they saw during their outdoor adventure thingy was the biggest one in the world. They seem to possess some sort of baseline knowledge of the world-mark knew what sex was, and when we were introduced to Hellie, we didn’t see her go through some of start up programming to inform her baseline intellect. I guess I feel like I can’t reconcile that bit. Did I fall asleep at some point and miss something?

Yeah -- I've been wondering about this too.

I feel like Severance rules are a little like ghost rules - why can ghosts walk through walls but don't fall through the floor? Because otherwise you don't have much of a story, really!

But I think that the severed characters retain sort of the basic knowledge of being an adult human - they know how to go to the bathroom on their own; they know how to use a computer. But they don't have the knowledge specific to their own lives.

Though actually - SPOILERS ****



That's what was being tested at Cold Harbor, right? Whether the severed character retained any knowledge of their previous life, when put into what was essentially the most tragic and emotionally wrecking situation their outie had ever experienced (that we know of). And the answer was no - they don't remember - but also Gemma clearly had something going on that led her to trust Mark and run away with him even when she didn't remember him.

I agree that Lumon gave Gemma’s innie the worst part of her outie’s life to recreate to test the severance procedure. But how did they know her outie had had those miscarriages and had to deconstruct a crib in the first place?

Because Gemma and Mark were going to a Lumon fertility clinic, so they had all the medical records. And also probably Lumon had surveillance inside their house. We have to presume these two were being groomed for this for a long time - since they met while donating blood at that Lumon blood drive.

It's very likely they are in a town where everything is Lumon - the homes, the doctors, the university they were teaching at, etc. We don't know that part though.

I thought they met sitting next to each other at the library, when he was grading papers?

I swear I thought it was the same doctor at the fertility clinic as that weirdo making her write holiday thank you notes and playing dentist on her.

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Also, I feel like a rich plot twist would be if Helly R gets pregnant with Mark’s baby. That would be a real doozy to work out. Maybe that’s how mark and Gemma bring a baby into their lives in an unconventional way eventually.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read a lot of the posts, but, agree that I feel puzzled by what decade it is meant to be set in as well as location. All desolate. Constant winter. Weird light at all times. What are we supposed to be taking away from all of that?

I've entertained the idea that the outies are all actually the first layer down in Severance world, a la The Matrix. So the real world is actually a construct, and not physical, which is why everything is slightly off, it's always winter, etc. But there are a lot of things that also contradict that idea.

I just get the impression that Mark is not a hapless victim of Lumon.

One other thing in hung up on—has there been any indication of what knowledge or information the innies vs. outties retain? I couldn’t work out that the innies believed the waterfall they saw during their outdoor adventure thingy was the biggest one in the world. They seem to possess some sort of baseline knowledge of the world-mark knew what sex was, and when we were introduced to Hellie, we didn’t see her go through some of start up programming to inform her baseline intellect. I guess I feel like I can’t reconcile that bit. Did I fall asleep at some point and miss something?

Yeah -- I've been wondering about this too.

I feel like Severance rules are a little like ghost rules - why can ghosts walk through walls but don't fall through the floor? Because otherwise you don't have much of a story, really!

But I think that the severed characters retain sort of the basic knowledge of being an adult human - they know how to go to the bathroom on their own; they know how to use a computer. But they don't have the knowledge specific to their own lives.

Though actually - SPOILERS ****



That's what was being tested at Cold Harbor, right? Whether the severed character retained any knowledge of their previous life, when put into what was essentially the most tragic and emotionally wrecking situation their outie had ever experienced (that we know of). And the answer was no - they don't remember - but also Gemma clearly had something going on that led her to trust Mark and run away with him even when she didn't remember him.

I agree that Lumon gave Gemma’s innie the worst part of her outie’s life to recreate to test the severance procedure. But how did they know her outie had had those miscarriages and had to deconstruct a crib in the first place?

Because Gemma and Mark were going to a Lumon fertility clinic, so they had all the medical records. And also probably Lumon had surveillance inside their house. We have to presume these two were being groomed for this for a long time - since they met while donating blood at that Lumon blood drive.

It's very likely they are in a town where everything is Lumon - the homes, the doctors, the university they were teaching at, etc. We don't know that part though.

I thought they met sitting next to each other at the library, when he was grading papers?

I swear I thought it was the same doctor at the fertility clinic as that weirdo making her write holiday thank you notes and playing dentist on her.

It 100% is.
https://screenrant.com/severance-season-2-doctor-mauer-lumon-explained/

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Why would mark leaving mean the end of all the innies?

Mark working to take down Lumon would be the end of all the innies. Just leaving wouldn’t do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many questions.

What does Helly mean when she says “I’m her?” Mark looks totally perplexed and yet he give up freedom for her?

Did reintegration not work? Neither mark knows a thing about the other?

Why did Hellys dad come to talk about the speech that day and not before, right after it happened?

Why would mark leaving mean the end of all the innies?

How does it work when you want to quit? How do you know not to show up at work the next day?

It wouldn't. His sister and Harmony are talking about taking down Lumon. That is what he says would mean the end of all innies. Because it would. The innies don't exist without Lumon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many questions.

What does Helly mean when she says “I’m her?” Mark looks totally perplexed and yet he give up freedom for her?

Did reintegration not work? Neither mark knows a thing about the other?

Why did Hellys dad come to talk about the speech that day and not before, right after it happened?

Why would mark leaving mean the end of all the innies?

How does it work when you want to quit? How do you know not to show up at work the next day?

You are brave to ask questions, with candor.
Some of these posters act like if you do not have their interpretation, there is something wrong with you.

I much prefer a respectful dialogue.

These aren't "brave" questions - these are the exact right questions raised by the show itself! I wish I had answers but I do not.