UMD College Park Results thread

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Anonymous wrote:I am really surprised by some of the rejects people have posted. My DS got in, as I expected he would, for Fall and selective major. Most of his friends from midrange non W MCPS public also got in (although not sure if FC or not, didn’t ask, didn’t tell). It must be somewhat of an advantage to come from a lower performing school? Maybe these kids went test optional but pretty sure they didn’t break 1300 and are in calculus now, senior year and only had a few APs. Mixed messages. I guess just count my blessings….

Usually 50% of those who apply get in from my kid’s W school. What percentage of kids get in from your non W school?

Sorry, what is a a W/non W school? Thanks

It’s used as shorthand for the higher SES high schools in MCPS - Whitman, Wootton, Walter Johnson, Winston Churchill.

And Watkins Mill

LOL!!! This made me smile. I went to a school in the county similar to WM and laugh at the superiority complex of the typical W schools. Get over yourselves!

It is funny…and to give it a name like “The W’s.” It’s really funny…

+1 the W’s are like the Wannabes…no advantage over other MCPS schools…too funny

Who said they did?

The Wannabes did

So people who go to schools other than W schools want the W school people to be wannabes?

Hahahaha, “the W schools” - too funny…

It wasn’t Whitman, wootton Churchill or Walter Johnson parents who named these schools the W schools. It was the jealous parents at other schools. Just sayin.

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It wasn’t Whitman, wootton Churchill or Walter Johnson parents who named these schools the W schools. It was the jealous parents at other schools. Just sayin.

DP.. years ago when I first moved to MoCo, I was googling schools and MCPS in general, and found this:

https://ggwash.org/view/31601/de-facto-segregation-threatens-montgomery-public-schools

2013 - first time I hard about W schools. BTW, Watkins Mill is not on the list.

The vaunted “W schools,” Winston Churchill, Walter Johnson, Walt Whitman and Thomas Wootton. We’ll call these the “Top White” schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I am really surprised by some of the rejects people have posted. My DS got in, as I expected he would, for Fall and selective major. Most of his friends from midrange non W MCPS public also got in (although not sure if FC or not, didn’t ask, didn’t tell). It must be somewhat of an advantage to come from a lower performing school? Maybe these kids went test optional but pretty sure they didn’t break 1300 and are in calculus now, senior year and only had a few APs. Mixed messages. I guess just count my blessings….

Usually 50% of those who apply get in from my kid’s W school. What percentage of kids get in from your non W school?

Sorry, what is a a W/non W school? Thanks

It’s used as shorthand for the higher SES high schools in MCPS - Whitman, Wootton, Walter Johnson, Winston Churchill.

And Watkins Mill

LOL!!! This made me smile. I went to a school in the county similar to WM and laugh at the superiority complex of the typical W schools. Get over yourselves!

It is funny…and to give it a name like “The W’s.” It’s really funny…

+1 the W’s are like the Wannabes…no advantage over other MCPS schools…too funny

Who said they did?

The Wannabes did

So people who go to schools other than W schools want the W school people to be wannabes?

Hahahaha, “the W schools” - too funny…

It wasn’t Whitman, wootton Churchill or Walter Johnson parents who named these schools the W schools. It was the jealous parents at other schools. Just sayin.

And what's wrong with that? I don't get this pissing match over w schools. they are best schools in mcps (expect rmib/blair stem, and phs magnets). wish i had money to buy house near one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Np here - not sure if it’s being disputed but the (magnet) IB program at RM really does have median SAT scores of 1500. It’s on the IB school profile.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-ib-insert-9.30.21.docx.pdf

But there are other MCPS IB programs, BCC, for one. I don’t suppose you have their median SAT? RMIB isn’t the only game in town.

+1 and it’s also the magnet IB for the entire county. I would expect the score to be high! UMD would compare RMIB students not the entire MCPS IB pool.

Why wouldn't it compare RMIB with other IB students? They all take the same coursework and IB exams to get the diploma.

RMIB is county wide test in magnet school students are selected.
The other IB schools are for the neighborhood students who want to challenge themselves.

so how do you explain an IB diploma graduate with a 1440 SAT and 3.8ish weighted GPA not getting into UMD?

FWIW, I would be proud if my non IB student had a 1440.

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Anonymous wrote:Np here - not sure if it’s being disputed but the (magnet) IB program at RM really does have median SAT scores of 1500. It’s on the IB school profile.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-ib-insert-9.30.21.docx.pdf

But there are other MCPS IB programs, BCC, for one. I don’t suppose you have their median SAT? RMIB isn’t the only game in town.

+1 and it’s also the magnet IB for the entire county. I would expect the score to be high! UMD would compare RMIB students not the entire MCPS IB pool.

Why wouldn't it compare RMIB with other IB students? They all take the same coursework and IB exams to get the diploma.

RMIB is county wide test in magnet school students are selected.
The other IB schools are for the neighborhood students who want to challenge themselves.

so how do you explain an IB diploma graduate with a 1440 SAT and 3.8ish weighted GPA not getting into UMD?

FWIW, I would be proud if my non IB student had a 1440.

3.8 weighted would be very low. Sure that wasn’t the unweighted gpa?

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Anonymous wrote:Np here - not sure if it’s being disputed but the (magnet) IB program at RM really does have median SAT scores of 1500. It’s on the IB school profile.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-ib-insert-9.30.21.docx.pdf

But there are other MCPS IB programs, BCC, for one. I don’t suppose you have their median SAT? RMIB isn’t the only game in town.

+1 and it’s also the magnet IB for the entire county. I would expect the score to be high! UMD would compare RMIB students not the entire MCPS IB pool.

Why wouldn't it compare RMIB with other IB students? They all take the same coursework and IB exams to get the diploma.

RMIB is county wide test in magnet school students are selected.
The other IB schools are for the neighborhood students who want to challenge themselves.

so how do you explain an IB diploma graduate with a 1440 SAT and 3.8ish weighted GPA not getting into UMD?

FWIW, I would be proud if my non IB student had a 1440.

3.8 weighted gpa is kind of low. UMD gives more weight to GPA than SAT

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Anonymous wrote:Np here - not sure if it’s being disputed but the (magnet) IB program at RM really does have median SAT scores of 1500. It’s on the IB school profile.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-ib-insert-9.30.21.docx.pdf

But there are other MCPS IB programs, BCC, for one. I don’t suppose you have their median SAT? RMIB isn’t the only game in town.

+1 and it’s also the magnet IB for the entire county. I would expect the score to be high! UMD would compare RMIB students not the entire MCPS IB pool.

Why wouldn't it compare RMIB with other IB students? They all take the same coursework and IB exams to get the diploma.

RMIB is county wide test in magnet school students are selected.
The other IB schools are for the neighborhood students who want to challenge themselves.

so how do you explain an IB diploma graduate with a 1440 SAT and 3.8ish weighted GPA not getting into UMD?

FWIW, I would be proud if my non IB student had a 1440.

3.8 weighted gpa is kind of low. UMD gives more weight to GPA than SAT

Interesting... didn't know that.

So, yes, those stats for an IB diploma student is pretty low.

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Congratulations! Isn’t the hook Asian American, or is affirmative action not considered a hook?

Asian American is basically white. So no.

Uh no, Asian Americans are not white. Maybe you mean not under-represented?

Very qualified Asian Americans are actually denied because they are OVER REPRESENTED in colleges. Which means that the colleges think that there are lots of them with excellent academics and ECs. Not only they don't get any affirmative action but lower stat Whites get preference over them. In truth, Asian-Americans are not over represented. They just have a culture of valuing education and going to college. So Asian Americans in American universities are APPROPRIATELY REPRESENTED FOR THEIR CULTURAL VALUES or ARCV.

State schools benefit because they take these students to bolster some of their departments. For example, UMD is not known for all their majors but it is highly ranked for many STEM majors. Thankfully, these students can easily go instate based on their academics and ECs. Most of these students have the profile for MIT, Stanford etc and they get rejected due to demographic.

In the end, it is a win-win for state flagships and these students. But, unfortunately, it can penalize many other good in-state students because UMD ceases to be a match for them.

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Because you're being careless with your claims. You are saying 1500 is considered low in MCPS IB. It's NOT in MCPS IB. You're talking about the IB magnet program at ONE school, Richard Montgomery, which is a very very small, very competitive IB program which takes students from the whole county. Other high schools have regular IB programs, which are NOT the same as RM. They are not competitive to get into (though the classes are demanding), and any kids can participate in them. You'd expect RMIB to have a high median SAT score, because kids had to test even to get INTO the program. It's only high-achieving kids who test well (and many who have parents who send them to test-prep programs.)

shrug.. I don't know what the other IB diploma students SAT scores are since, as you said, they don't publish them. So, I can only go by what RMIB publishes. But, colleges do compare a student to their cohort, whether that be county, specific HS, or IB diploma graudates. If the student has an IB diploma, that would indicate that the student is pretty high achieving.

Also, many non magnet students also go to test prep program, and many manget students do not go to test prep programs. Neither my RMIB kid nor their friends did. They did take several of the free online SAT practice tests via the college board and khan academy. Who's to say that the prior poster's IB kid didn't go to a test prep tutoring program?

FWIW, my kid has never gone to an after school tutoring program, neither has my other DC who is not in a magnet and doesn't want to be.

NP: Colleges, including UMD, do not compare IB students across high schools or at the county level just like they don't compare kids at different STEM magnet schools in the same city or county, e.g. Poolesville vs Blair. As a state institution, UMD considers kids in the aggregate at the county level to ensure that the university is geographically diverse across counties. There is no IB cohort within MCPS. How do I know this, because as a professor I sat on faculty academic committees that advise admissions policies, participate in grad admissions, and I am friends/colleagues with admissions staff.

As the PP noted, you made a blanket statement about RMIB data and tried to apply it to all of the county IB programs. Depending on the school, a 1440 in an MCPS IB program other than RMIB may be average or about the mean. You are right that we don't have this data but I have seen data from other school systems similar to MoCo with IB programs and 1500+ was not the median. IB diploma does not equal 1500+ SAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:its not being petty but I refuse to hire from a school that does not prioritize instate students and run like a business.

It does prioritize in-state and ALL colleges in the USA are run like businesses, which is why there is so much pressure to get into the state option and take the financial burden off parents

Be angry but do it somewhere else, it's not informative what you're telling people here, and this isn't FaceBook

Not the hiring poster, but they can do what they want with their own business.

Sure she can. And she can bore her friends about it all she wants.

Unless the post is racist or misleading, it's not your concern. You haven't been elected board monitor.

Neither have you.

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Because you're being careless with your claims. You are saying 1500 is considered low in MCPS IB. It's NOT in MCPS IB. You're talking about the IB magnet program at ONE school, Richard Montgomery, which is a very very small, very competitive IB program which takes students from the whole county. Other high schools have regular IB programs, which are NOT the same as RM. They are not competitive to get into (though the classes are demanding), and any kids can participate in them. You'd expect RMIB to have a high median SAT score, because kids had to test even to get INTO the program. It's only high-achieving kids who test well (and many who have parents who send them to test-prep programs.)

shrug.. I don't know what the other IB diploma students SAT scores are since, as you said, they don't publish them. So, I can only go by what RMIB publishes. But, colleges do compare a student to their cohort, whether that be county, specific HS, or IB diploma graudates. If the student has an IB diploma, that would indicate that the student is pretty high achieving.

Also, many non magnet students also go to test prep program, and many manget students do not go to test prep programs. Neither my RMIB kid nor their friends did. They did take several of the free online SAT practice tests via the college board and khan academy. Who's to say that the prior poster's IB kid didn't go to a test prep tutoring program?

FWIW, my kid has never gone to an after school tutoring program, neither has my other DC who is not in a magnet and doesn't want to be.

NP: Colleges, including UMD, do not compare IB students across high schools or at the county level just like they don't compare kids at different STEM magnet schools in the same city or county, e.g. Poolesville vs Blair. As a state institution, UMD considers kids in the aggregate at the county level to ensure that the university is geographically diverse across counties. There is no IB cohort within MCPS. How do I know this, because as a professor I sat on faculty academic committees that advise admissions policies, participate in grad admissions, and I am friends/colleagues with admissions staff.

As the PP noted, you made a blanket statement about RMIB data and tried to apply it to all of the county IB programs. Depending on the school, a 1440 in an MCPS IB program other than RMIB may be average or about the mean. You are right that we don't have this data but I have seen data from other school systems similar to MoCo with IB programs and 1500+ was not the median. IB diploma does not equal 1500+ SAT scores.

OK, so no one really knows what the median SAT scores are for MoCo IB students other than RMIB. But as you stated, UMD will look at students across the county, not just RMIB vs RMIB. So, an IB student at BCC would be compared to an IB student at RM, if they are looking at the county level? That's even worse for the IB diploma kid who has a 1440 SAT.

Even so, weight 3.84 is low for an IB diploma grad. The thread started with both the SAT and weighted GPA being low.

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. In state, legacy, 1400 SAT, 3.7 uw, 4.3 w
I am so pissed.

To add: applied Arts & Sciences

I’m a professor at UMD, a liberal arts department. This is bonkers to me. There is no way that some of the students I have in intro courses could have these high school grades and stats. Some of them can barely write a coherent paragraph.

Not even a Spring admit?

No. I am so upset. I am going to appeal but I realize it will have no impact. I don't know what the issue is. She could have tried test optional, maybe, but what's so wrong with 1400? 720 verbal. This process is a joke.

I agree, 1400 is 95 percentile, I think the 3.7 uw got her down, I really think and truly hope your appeal will work

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Anonymous wrote:Np here - not sure if it’s being disputed but the (magnet) IB program at RM really does have median SAT scores of 1500. It’s on the IB school profile.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-ib-insert-9.30.21.docx.pdf

But there are other MCPS IB programs, BCC, for one. I don’t suppose you have their median SAT? RMIB isn’t the only game in town.

+1 and it’s also the magnet IB for the entire county. I would expect the score to be high! UMD would compare RMIB students not the entire MCPS IB pool.

Why wouldn't it compare RMIB with other IB students? They all take the same coursework and IB exams to get the diploma.

RMIB is county wide test in magnet school students are selected.
The other IB schools are for the neighborhood students who want to challenge themselves.

so how do you explain an IB diploma graduate with a 1440 SAT and 3.8ish weighted GPA not getting into UMD?

FWIW, I would be proud if my non IB student had a 1440.

Not easy to explain but I will try.
Usually colleges compare you against your class mates.
The SAT might be little above average for his particular school but his GPA might be well below average.

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Anonymous wrote:Np here - not sure if it’s being disputed but the (magnet) IB program at RM really does have median SAT scores of 1500. It’s on the IB school profile.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-ib-insert-9.30.21.docx.pdf

But there are other MCPS IB programs, BCC, for one. I don’t suppose you have their median SAT? RMIB isn’t the only game in town.

+1 and it’s also the magnet IB for the entire county. I would expect the score to be high! UMD would compare RMIB students not the entire MCPS IB pool.

Why wouldn't it compare RMIB with other IB students? They all take the same coursework and IB exams to get the diploma.

RMIB is county wide test in magnet school students are selected.
The other IB schools are for the neighborhood students who want to challenge themselves.

so how do you explain an IB diploma graduate with a 1440 SAT and 3.8ish weighted GPA not getting into UMD?

FWIW, I would be proud if my non IB student had a 1440.

3.8 weighted gpa is kind of low. UMD gives more weight to GPA than SAT

Not sure if that's true but 3.8 weighted gpa is not enough. also remember college admission is more than just two data points - gpa/test score. all these kids with relatively high stats may have f'ed up some other aspects of app

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Anonymous wrote:Np here - not sure if it’s being disputed but the (magnet) IB program at RM really does have median SAT scores of 1500. It’s on the IB school profile.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-ib-insert-9.30.21.docx.pdf

But there are other MCPS IB programs, BCC, for one. I don’t suppose you have their median SAT? RMIB isn’t the only game in town.

+1 and it’s also the magnet IB for the entire county. I would expect the score to be high! UMD would compare RMIB students not the entire MCPS IB pool.

Why wouldn't it compare RMIB with other IB students? They all take the same coursework and IB exams to get the diploma.

RMIB is county wide test in magnet school students are selected.
The other IB schools are for the neighborhood students who want to challenge themselves.

so how do you explain an IB diploma graduate with a 1440 SAT and 3.8ish weighted GPA not getting into UMD?

FWIW, I would be proud if my non IB student had a 1440.

3.8 weighted gpa is kind of low. UMD gives more weight to GPA than SAT

Interesting... didn't know that.

So, yes, those stats for an IB diploma student is pretty low.

That poster did not say the kid had 3.8w. The GPA was 4.2w. This thread is like a game of telephone.