Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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So fat shaming (if that is in fact what happened) is sexual harassment? I guess from a white woman tears perspective it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

Only got $330,000? That's not a good enough excuse to run a shoddy ship.

Maybe he ran a shoddy ship or maybe this is about what you can expect when you hire a small potatoes outfit like Wayfarer. Like hiring McDonalds to cater your wedding and then getting mad that Four Seasons would have done it better.

“We didn’t know any better” won’t work as an excuse.

This, plus no one hired Wayfarer to do this. They bought the rights to the book. They hired the screenwriter. They decided Baldoni would direct and star (didn't hire him -- he is part of Wayfarer and the plan all along was for him to direct, he was the one who negotiated the film rights with Hoover in the first place). They hired Lively and the rest of the cast.

This is like deciding to open a diner, assigning yourself the job of manager and head chef, and then when it's a total disaster because you are bad at those jobs, saying "But I'm very inexperienced! I've never been a head chef of a diner before! They shouldn't have hired me!" You are "they."

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Anonymous wrote:So fat shaming (if that is in fact what happened) is sexual harassment? I guess from a white woman tears perspective it is.

Criticizing the weight of a woman, or implying she needs to weight less, can absolutely be sexual harassment. And would be for a woman of any race.

Also the fact that Lively was recovering from pregnancy and childbirth is also relevant. Pregnancy/childbirth are considered protected disabilities in the workplace.

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Anonymous wrote:So fat shaming (if that is in fact what happened) is sexual harassment? I guess from a white woman tears perspective it is.

I don't see how it's fact shaming if it's relevant. Kind of like asking for someone's weight for a sports activity. He didn't say she was fat, he just asked how much she weighed because he didn't want to get hurt. It would make sense to ask of any tall person even not visibly heavy.

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Anonymous wrote:So fat shaming (if that is in fact what happened) is sexual harassment? I guess from a white woman tears perspective it is.

Criticizing the weight of a woman, or implying she needs to weight less, can absolutely be sexual harassment. And would be for a woman of any race.

Also the fact that Lively was recovering from pregnancy and childbirth is also relevant. Pregnancy/childbirth are considered protected disabilities in the workplace.

“Can absolutely be” or is it considered sexual harassment? Her credibility has already been damaged by the video (in the court of public opinion), so her case can rest on things like fat shaming I guess. Would that be enough?

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I’m not in the industry, but I would love if someone with actual experience chimed in. I doubt talking about appearance, including weight is off limits for a movie. I mean give me a break. Actors are selling an aesthetic. I’m sure producers make demands about physical appearance all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On the planet that he needed to be able to lift her for a scene in the movie, and wanted to make sure his back, which had been injured, was strong enough.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

Disagree. Who cares. Grow up

Ok. Try asking your therapist, who your friend also sees, to dish on her and see how it goes. Grow up, indeed.

Oh, now we are relying on the well known strength trainer-client confidentiality privilege. Of course.

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Khaleesi.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

I would not care even a tiny little bit. I would think he’s thinking of me as a weight (like a barbell).

and possibly whether he can lift me safely or if he’s going to drop me. You could even say it’s a bit sexist to attack a man who is trying to figure out if he’s strong enough to lift something.

The trainer can simply tell him she doesn't advise it. This is an easy conversation without revealing personal info.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not in the industry, but I would love if someone with actual experience chimed in. I doubt talking about appearance, including weight is off limits for a movie. I mean give me a break. Actors are selling an aesthetic. I’m sure producers make demands about physical appearance all the time.

Agree. Google any actress who’s been in the industry for more than 10 years and she has a story to tell about being told to lose weight. Fit, thin women like Anne Hathaway and Jennifer Lawrence. These stories are a dime a dozen.

But I see no evidence that Blake was fat shamed. All I’ve seen is that he asked her trainer her weight due to a concern about lifting her, I’ve not seen any documentation or even specifics from her that he or anyone involved in the production asked her or told her to lose weight or criticized her about her weight. All I’ve seen is that Ryan berated him for fat shaming her. But if the incident is questions is him asking her trainer her weight, I don’t see how that is fat shaming.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

I don’t see that at all. I see nothing unprofessional about Baldoni consulting with his trainer about this. Remember that her accusation is that this was fat shaming and I guess an example of gender discrimination or sexual harassment (unclear). When literally all he did was ask what her weight was. Blake’s position seems to be that ANY mention of her weight is per se inappropriate. Which is clearly untenable as he had a legitimate reason to know. So really this dumb episode serves to demonstrate Blake’s paranoia and distorted thought.

Totally agree. What about work place safety? There are ways to lift safely or not

And someone on this thread is extremely overly sensitive about their weight and this personal to them.

It’s all personal to her, which is why we get so many ranting illogical posts on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not in the industry, but I would love if someone with actual experience chimed in. I doubt talking about appearance, including weight is off limits for a movie. I mean give me a break. Actors are selling an aesthetic. I’m sure producers make demands about physical appearance all the time.

Agree. Google any actress who’s been in the industry for more than 10 years and she has a story to tell about being told to lose weight. Fit, thin women like Anne Hathaway and Jennifer Lawrence. These stories are a dime a dozen.

But I see no evidence that Blake was fat shamed. All I’ve seen is that he asked her trainer her weight due to a concern about lifting her, I’ve not seen any documentation or even specifics from her that he or anyone involved in the production asked her or told her to lose weight or criticized her about her weight. All I’ve seen is that Ryan berated him for fat shaming her. But if the incident is questions is him asking her trainer her weight, I don’t see how that is fat shaming.

Baldoni is an experience dancer and knows how much lady weight he can hoist? Come on.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Neither normal nor reasonable, but always pissed.