Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

Only got $330,000? That's not a good enough excuse to run a shoddy ship.

Maybe he ran a shoddy ship or maybe this is about what you can expect when you hire a small potatoes outfit like Wayfarer. Like hiring McDonalds to cater your wedding and then getting mad that Four Seasons would have done it better.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

They 100% had a stunt coordinator for a movie about domestic violence. And a stunt coordinator is not an "accommodation." It's a basic expense in a movie to protect the health and safety of the actors. It may even be required by insurance for movies containing certain elements. I'll also note that the person whose health and safety we are talking about right now is Baldoni's, not Lively's. If he was worried about performing a certain activity depicted in the script, and needed assistance in performing it, the stunt coordinator is for him.

As a producer with Wayfarer, Baldoni made way, way more than his 330k paycheck on this movie. The movie grossed 350m but only cost 25m to make. That is way more than any other movie Baldoni has made before. And it did this in large part because of the big names attached to the movie, primarily Lively. Without her, he would have made a fraction of what he made with her in it.

Again Blake, because you helped the film make money does not mean you were sexually harassed.

This comment was in response to someone saying Baldoni only made 330k on the movie -- that's false. He was a producer on the movie and made millions.

And the production could afford a stunt coordinator, and in this situation, the stunt coordinator was for Baldoni, not Blake. It's an accommodation for his physical limitation regarding a scripted activity that apparently he was not sure he could do. It's not about Blake or her weight, it's about Baldoni and his disability. If you have a physical disability limiting your ability to do your job, then you go through professional channels to communicate that and ask for an accommodation. You don't privately ask your colleagues personal trainer how much she weighs and imply she she needs to shed so pounds to make it easier for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

I would not care even a tiny little bit. I would think he’s thinking of me as a weight (like a barbell).

Let me add a caveat. If my office mate asked my trainer my weight, that would be weird. If I was a figure skater and my pairs partner asked me my trainer my weight, I would not.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

I would not care even a tiny little bit. I would think he’s thinking of me as a weight (like a barbell).

and possibly whether he can lift me safely or if he’s going to drop me. You could even say it’s a bit sexist to attack a man who is trying to figure out if he’s strong enough to lift something.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

Only got $330,000? That's not a good enough excuse to run a shoddy ship.

Maybe he ran a shoddy ship or maybe this is about what you can expect when you hire a small potatoes outfit like Wayfarer. Like hiring McDonalds to cater your wedding and then getting mad that Four Seasons would have done it better.

He made millions as a producer of the movie. The 330k was his fee for acting/directing, and was likely artificially low on purpose because he was a producer. This is common for someone who is producing as well as acting/starring. And he wasn't "hired" to do these jobs. His production company bought rights to book and hired the screenwriter. He hired himself. He set his own salary based on the budget of the movie, knowing that if it was successful, he would stand to make far more than he could make from acting/directing a movie for someone else's studio.

It's likely he lowered his own fee in order for the production to afford to hire Lively and Jenny Slate. And it would have been smart to do so, as their involvement, especially Lively's, would likely lead to more commercial viability for the movie. I doubt it would have gotten a wide release from Sony without Lively attached.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

She didn't "make" him hire a trainer. Where are you getting this idea?

Also the comment you mentioned isn't "shaming" him. She's not even talking about him in the comment -- she's talking about herself. She referencing how hard it is to work out when you are heavily pregnant. Is he heavily pregnant in that photo? No.

You are missing the point. I’m saying how easy it is to take every day, non threatening interactions, and twist them. Which is exactly what she did.

that’s what screams Cluster B to me. If you’ve never had the pleasure of knowing a BPD person you may not get how pervasive the distortions can be when they are under stress. Like literally believing everything is a personal insult to them.

Can you please start your own thread for diagnosing strangers with personality disorders? Blake Lively seems annoying to me but no one on this board is qualified to diagnose her with anything. I get it, you have had experiences with people who have BPD and are projecting that onto this story. But it's really unhelpful. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. It's like when people want to diagnose famous people with autism. It's speculation designed primarily to make you feel better about something in your personal life. It is not actually relevant tot he conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Does your job involve your colleague lifting you up as part of your assigned work duties?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

They 100% had a stunt coordinator for a movie about domestic violence. And a stunt coordinator is not an "accommodation." It's a basic expense in a movie to protect the health and safety of the actors. It may even be required by insurance for movies containing certain elements. I'll also note that the person whose health and safety we are talking about right now is Baldoni's, not Lively's. If he was worried about performing a certain activity depicted in the script, and needed assistance in performing it, the stunt coordinator is for him.

As a producer with Wayfarer, Baldoni made way, way more than his 330k paycheck on this movie. The movie grossed 350m but only cost 25m to make. That is way more than any other movie Baldoni has made before. And it did this in large part because of the big names attached to the movie, primarily Lively. Without her, he would have made a fraction of what he made with her in it.

Again Blake, because you helped the film make money does not mean you were sexually harassed.

This comment was in response to someone saying Baldoni only made 330k on the movie -- that's false. He was a producer on the movie and made millions.

And the production could afford a stunt coordinator, and in this situation, the stunt coordinator was for Baldoni, not Blake. It's an accommodation for his physical limitation regarding a scripted activity that apparently he was not sure he could do. It's not about Blake or her weight, it's about Baldoni and his disability. If you have a physical disability limiting your ability to do your job, then you go through professional channels to communicate that and ask for an accommodation. You don't privately ask your colleagues personal trainer how much she weighs and imply she she needs to shed so pounds to make it easier for you.

Well the trainer was his trainer too and nowhere was it implied that she needed to shed pounds.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

She didn't "make" him hire a trainer. Where are you getting this idea?

Also the comment you mentioned isn't "shaming" him. She's not even talking about him in the comment -- she's talking about herself. She referencing how hard it is to work out when you are heavily pregnant. Is he heavily pregnant in that photo? No.

You are missing the point. I’m saying how easy it is to take every day, non threatening interactions, and twist them. Which is exactly what she did.

that’s what screams Cluster B to me. If you’ve never had the pleasure of knowing a BPD person you may not get how pervasive the distortions can be when they are under stress. Like literally believing everything is a personal insult to them.

Can you please start your own thread for diagnosing strangers with personality disorders? Blake Lively seems annoying to me but no one on this board is qualified to diagnose her with anything. I get it, you have had experiences with people who have BPD and are projecting that onto this story. But it's really unhelpful. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. It's like when people want to diagnose famous people with autism. It's speculation designed primarily to make you feel better about something in your personal life. It is not actually relevant tot he conversation.

I’m qualified

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

Only got $330,000? That's not a good enough excuse to run a shoddy ship.

Maybe he ran a shoddy ship or maybe this is about what you can expect when you hire a small potatoes outfit like Wayfarer. Like hiring McDonalds to cater your wedding and then getting mad that Four Seasons would have done it better.

“We didn’t know any better” won’t work as an excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

You seem very sensitive but even if it were tacky, it’s not sexual harassment or anything close to it

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

Is your colleague an actor who is supposed to physically lift you as part of your job? All of these comparisons to white collar workplaces are obviously totally off. If BL wanted that kind of workplace she should have gone into accounting.

I've had jobs where people had to lift me before (I was a dancer). I would be very annoyed if someone tried to handle a concern about a lift by going behind my back to my trainer to ask about my weight. That's not how you do this. First of all, if you are worried about doing a lift, you talk to the director/choreographer about your concerns. And likely a rehearsal would be scheduled to practice the lift with an eye towards making it safe for all involved. You have professionals on hand during the rehearsal to help you prep your body for the lift and avoid injury. It's about your limitations, not the other person's weight. Everyone stays professional and you don't sit around saying "oh no, do you think she's too big for me to lift??" That would be so passive aggressive and tacky.

Good thing Baldoni did none of that! The unprofessional person here was the trainer who gossiped. Baldoni *is* the director so there was nobody else to relay his concerns to. Ascertaining her weight was 100% reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

I don’t see that at all. I see nothing unprofessional about Baldoni consulting with his trainer about this. Remember that her accusation is that this was fat shaming and I guess an example of gender discrimination or sexual harassment (unclear). When literally all he did was ask what her weight was. Blake’s position seems to be that ANY mention of her weight is per se inappropriate. Which is clearly untenable as he had a legitimate reason to know. So really this dumb episode serves to demonstrate Blake’s paranoia and distorted thought.

Totally agree. What about work place safety? There are ways to lift safely or not

And someone on this thread is extremely overly sensitive about their weight and this personal to them.