Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

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So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

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Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

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Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

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Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

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CNN: The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected an emergency request from former President Donald Trump to intervene in the dispute over classified documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate in August.

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Today is a bad day for the Donald.

Ketchup and walls beware.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN: The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected an emergency request from former President Donald Trump to intervene in the dispute over classified documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate in August.

I bet Donnie's Three are in biiiiiig trouble now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

When the boxes were moved around Trump wasn’t the President anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

When the boxes were moved around Trump wasn’t the President anymore.

As far as I’ve seen, there is no public info on when the docs were moved from DC to FL. That is relevant to the venue question. The docs may have been moved around within MAL after he left office, but that won’t get DOJ venue in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

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Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

When the boxes were moved around Trump wasn’t the President anymore.

As far as I’ve seen, there is no public info on when the docs were moved from DC to FL. That is relevant to the venue question. The docs may have been moved around within MAL after he left office, but that won’t get DOJ venue in DC.

There should be some sort of general information out there about when his stuff was shipped, and where it was shipped to. Individual boxes are going to be difficult to pin down, unless everything was shipped either before the inauguration, or after.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m not overlooking that. But the obstruction happened in Florida. This whole discussion is about where DOJ can charge. DOJ has to show that part of the crime happened in DC in order to charge it there.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

When the boxes were moved around Trump wasn’t the President anymore.

As far as I’ve seen, there is no public info on when the docs were moved from DC to FL. That is relevant to the venue question. The docs may have been moved around within MAL after he left office, but that won’t get DOJ venue in DC.

There should be some sort of general information out there about when his stuff was shipped, and where it was shipped to. Individual boxes are going to be difficult to pin down, unless everything was shipped either before the inauguration, or after.

GSA has the literal receipts for any boxes shipped from the WH as part of the transition process. It’s unclear whether there are detailed inventories prepared by anyone in the employ of the WH usher or any executive office aides, which is itself shocking.