Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

When the boxes were moved around Trump wasn’t the President anymore.

As far as I’ve seen, there is no public info on when the docs were moved from DC to FL. That is relevant to the venue question. The docs may have been moved around within MAL after he left office, but that won’t get DOJ venue in DC.

There should be some sort of general information out there about when his stuff was shipped, and where it was shipped to. Individual boxes are going to be difficult to pin down, unless everything was shipped either before the inauguration, or after.

I have no doubt the FBI knows the answer, but I haven’t seen it in the press. Maybe I’ve missed it though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m not overlooking that. But the obstruction happened in Florida. This whole discussion is about where DOJ can charge. DOJ has to show that part of the crime happened in DC in order to charge it there.

A conspiracy to obstruct could have multiple loci. It could have been initiated from instructions issued at Trump Tower, Bedminster or MAL, among other places. It also likely encompasses documents at all of these sites, or even documents driven in a minivan from Crystal City (EDVa) to Florida in early March 2021. DC doesn’t seem like a proper venue unless DOJ can tie the scheme back to the large binders of classified crossfire Hurricane docs it provided in late December 2020. Let’s see how vulnerable useful idiots Kash Patel and John Solomon are feeling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

When the boxes were moved around Trump wasn’t the President anymore.

As far as I’ve seen, there is no public info on when the docs were moved from DC to FL. That is relevant to the venue question. The docs may have been moved around within MAL after he left office, but that won’t get DOJ venue in DC.

There should be some sort of general information out there about when his stuff was shipped, and where it was shipped to. Individual boxes are going to be difficult to pin down, unless everything was shipped either before the inauguration, or after.

I have no doubt the FBI knows the answer, but I haven’t seen it in the press. Maybe I’ve missed it though.

Jason Leopold at Bloomberg FOIAd all the emails about shipping boxes of documents. Go back a few pages in this thread and it’s there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m not overlooking that. But the obstruction happened in Florida. This whole discussion is about where DOJ can charge. DOJ has to show that part of the crime happened in DC in order to charge it there.

A conspiracy to obstruct could have multiple loci. It could have been initiated from instructions issued at Trump Tower, Bedminster or MAL, among other places. It also likely encompasses documents at all of these sites, or even documents driven in a minivan from Crystal City (EDVa) to Florida in early March 2021. DC doesn’t seem like a proper venue unless DOJ can tie the scheme back to the large binders of classified crossfire Hurricane docs it provided in late December 2020. Let’s see how vulnerable useful idiots Kash Patel and John Solomon are feeling.

True. Lots of facts we don’t know at this point. DOJ will likely want to charge all the crimes in a single district though, but they need to establish proper venue for each charge. I don’t see them charging obstruction in SDNY and then Espionage in SDFL.

[Anonymous]

TFG wouldn't stand a chance in the SDNY. Maybe he directed the coverup from TT? He wasn't in residence in Florida during the FBI raid. His movements must be documented by the SS protecting him. He also spends a lot of time in Bedminster. His crimes were not necessarily committed in FL.

[Anonymous]

It's really hot in Florida during the summer. TFG likely wasn't there much if at all during this past summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m not overlooking that. But the obstruction happened in Florida. This whole discussion is about where DOJ can charge. DOJ has to show that part of the crime happened in DC in order to charge it there.

A conspiracy to obstruct could have multiple loci. It could have been initiated from instructions issued at Trump Tower, Bedminster or MAL, among other places. It also likely encompasses documents at all of these sites, or even documents driven in a minivan from Crystal City (EDVa) to Florida in early March 2021. DC doesn’t seem like a proper venue unless DOJ can tie the scheme back to the large binders of classified crossfire Hurricane docs it provided in late December 2020. Let’s see how vulnerable useful idiots Kash Patel and John Solomon are feeling.

True. Lots of facts we don’t know at this point. DOJ will likely want to charge all the crimes in a single district though, but they need to establish proper venue for each charge. I don’t see them charging obstruction in SDNY and then Espionage in SDFL.

There would be advantages to trying charges separately in terms of simplicity and limiting defenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's really hot in Florida during the summer. TFG likely wasn't there much if at all during this past summer.

We know he was there as late as June 3, when he was present while DOJ collected documents produced pursuant to subpoena, and videotaped an interview. He reportedly flew to Bedminster later that day. Reports have him returning to Florida on Sept. 19. The club itself is closed to members after Mother’s Day. So it seems he was in communication with the folks moving boxes of documents around while he was resident at Bedminster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m not overlooking that. But the obstruction happened in Florida. This whole discussion is about where DOJ can charge. DOJ has to show that part of the crime happened in DC in order to charge it there.

A conspiracy to obstruct could have multiple loci. It could have been initiated from instructions issued at Trump Tower, Bedminster or MAL, among other places. It also likely encompasses documents at all of these sites, or even documents driven in a minivan from Crystal City (EDVa) to Florida in early March 2021. DC doesn’t seem like a proper venue unless DOJ can tie the scheme back to the large binders of classified crossfire Hurricane docs it provided in late December 2020. Let’s see how vulnerable useful idiots Kash Patel and John Solomon are feeling.

True. Lots of facts we don’t know at this point. DOJ will likely want to charge all the crimes in a single district though, but they need to establish proper venue for each charge. I don’t see them charging obstruction in SDNY and then Espionage in SDFL.

There would be advantages to trying charges separately in terms of simplicity and limiting defenses.

Obstruction will be easier to prove. I vote for NY or NJ.
Espionage...hmmm. Depends on evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m not overlooking that. But the obstruction happened in Florida. This whole discussion is about where DOJ can charge. DOJ has to show that part of the crime happened in DC in order to charge it there.

A conspiracy to obstruct could have multiple loci. It could have been initiated from instructions issued at Trump Tower, Bedminster or MAL, among other places. It also likely encompasses documents at all of these sites, or even documents driven in a minivan from Crystal City (EDVa) to Florida in early March 2021. DC doesn’t seem like a proper venue unless DOJ can tie the scheme back to the large binders of classified crossfire Hurricane docs it provided in late December 2020. Let’s see how vulnerable useful idiots Kash Patel and John Solomon are feeling.

True. Lots of facts we don’t know at this point. DOJ will likely want to charge all the crimes in a single district though, but they need to establish proper venue for each charge. I don’t see them charging obstruction in SDNY and then Espionage in SDFL.

There would be advantages to trying charges separately in terms of simplicity and limiting defenses.

Obstruction will be easier to prove. I vote for NY or NJ.
Espionage...hmmm. Depends on evidence.

I guess I could DOJ just charging obstruction to get favorable venue and an easier case. But the public optics of leaving off the substantive espionage charge seem bad.

[Anonymous]

The SCI and other highly classified documents should have never been taken out of the SCIF in DC in the first place, so that crime is in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The SCI and other highly classified documents should have never been taken out of the SCIF in DC in the first place, so that crime is in DC.

What criminal statute do you think that violates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, what does this mean? You know, in real life? Any charges coming?

My gut is that DOJ is going to indict Trump, in DC and not Florida, after the midterms.

My bet is one thing they are working on is how to get venue in DC, or at least not SDFL. Putting this case in front of Cannon would be a disaster. They also still have a bunch of their evidence locked up in front of the SM. It’s all the unclassified stuff, so while not the most important, there’s still likely relevant stuff there they want to review first.

The crimes all began on Federal property in the Federal city so why wouldn't DC be the venue?

That's not true. The obstruction charge would be based entirely on conduct in Florida. The feds will likely try to link that to DC because the agencies/GJ being obstructed are in DC. I don't know if that will be good enough. The espionage charge might have started in DC, but it depends on whether he moved those boxes from DC before or after he was president. If they were originally moved while he was still president, it will be very hard for DOJ to say that was part of the crime- the president is certainly authorized to move boxes of government documents around. The crime they will charge will be unauthorized retention, not unauthorized removal.

A president cannot move boxes around for an unlawful purpose, such as concealing evidence of a crime or converting government property to his personal use (aka theft). Much of this links back to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the substantiated links between the campaign snd Russia, which itself implicated a conspiracy implicating Trump’s actions as a private citizen/candidate. Trump had the constitutional duty to take care that laws were faithfully executed and issues of possible venue will have to await development of facts relating to the scope of the conspiracy(ies). Kash Patel is linking the shenanigans with “declassification” back to 12/2020. It certainly was foremost in Trump’s mind on the morning of 1/20/2021.

It's nice that you think that, but 1) that's not what the Espionage Act criminalizes, and 2) there is no chance in hell that DOJ (i.e. the executive branch) is going to make arguments constraining the president's authority over government records.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that obstruction of a federal investigation is itself a crime separate snd apart from any violation of the Espionage Act died t mske it go away. The same is true of 18 USC sec. 1519. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m not overlooking that. But the obstruction happened in Florida. This whole discussion is about where DOJ can charge. DOJ has to show that part of the crime happened in DC in order to charge it there.

A conspiracy to obstruct could have multiple loci. It could have been initiated from instructions issued at Trump Tower, Bedminster or MAL, among other places. It also likely encompasses documents at all of these sites, or even documents driven in a minivan from Crystal City (EDVa) to Florida in early March 2021. DC doesn’t seem like a proper venue unless DOJ can tie the scheme back to the large binders of classified crossfire Hurricane docs it provided in late December 2020. Let’s see how vulnerable useful idiots Kash Patel and John Solomon are feeling.

True. Lots of facts we don’t know at this point. DOJ will likely want to charge all the crimes in a single district though, but they need to establish proper venue for each charge. I don’t see them charging obstruction in SDNY and then Espionage in SDFL.

There would be advantages to trying charges separately in terms of simplicity and limiting defenses.

Obstruction will be easier to prove. I vote for NY or NJ.
Espionage...hmmm. Depends on evidence.

I guess I could DOJ just charging obstruction to get favorable venue and an easier case. But the public optics of leaving off the substantive espionage charge seem bad.

The so-called espionage charge is to some extent weaker and entirely technical absent evidence that the materials were shared with a third party. (We know that some documents were shared with John Solomon and he claims a binder was delivered to his residence.) The charge will bog down in ambiguities relating to alleged “declassification.” Getting the classified material back under positive control was the most important objective.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone tell me if trump can just keep kicking this can down the road indefinitely? This feels endless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SCI and other highly classified documents should have never been taken out of the SCIF in DC in the first place, so that crime is in DC.

What criminal statute do you think that violates?

Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information: §793(c) and (e)