Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

Only got $330,000? That's not a good enough excuse to run a shoddy ship.

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Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

+100. And as a woman I’m not even sure how much women weigh who have different body types or heights from me. I couldn’t guess how much BL weighed. She’s tall (5-10) and not super skinny so it could be anywhere between 130-165.

And we don’t have nearly enough context. The lift scene was not in the movie. It is at least a possibility that Baldoni trainer said, yeah, you know with your back in the state as it is, I wouldn’t recommend lifting her at this time. End of story. Not sexual harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

And what would be the professional way to go about answering that serious question?

A lot of her accusations sound incomplete. Like, he hired his actor friend as the obgyn. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. He behaved like a professional. Or, he asked my trainer how much I weighed for an upcoming lift sequence. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. My husband chewed him out and then we didn’t do the lift scene. Or, he responded to me commenting on my body makeup with “it smells good?” Okay, then what happened? Nothing. He said “cut” and walked away. Or, this guy made eye contact with me when I had asked him to turn around. Okay, then what happened? He apologized profusely for making eye contact with me.

There’s clearly a pattern of her being sensitive about her body and of people responding to that sensitivity as best they can.

Good observations. Also characteristic of a personality disorder to consistently misinterpret other’s actions as being specifically motivated to harm her. It’s a type of “idea of reference” and the kind of distorted cognition that led to the concept of “borderline personality disorder” as a thought disorder.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

They 100% had a stunt coordinator for a movie about domestic violence. And a stunt coordinator is not an "accommodation." It's a basic expense in a movie to protect the health and safety of the actors. It may even be required by insurance for movies containing certain elements. I'll also note that the person whose health and safety we are talking about right now is Baldoni's, not Lively's. If he was worried about performing a certain activity depicted in the script, and needed assistance in performing it, the stunt coordinator is for him.

As a producer with Wayfarer, Baldoni made way, way more than his 330k paycheck on this movie. The movie grossed 350m but only cost 25m to make. That is way more than any other movie Baldoni has made before. And it did this in large part because of the big names attached to the movie, primarily Lively. Without her, he would have made a fraction of what he made with her in it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

They 100% had a stunt coordinator for a movie about domestic violence. And a stunt coordinator is not an "accommodation." It's a basic expense in a movie to protect the health and safety of the actors. It may even be required by insurance for movies containing certain elements. I'll also note that the person whose health and safety we are talking about right now is Baldoni's, not Lively's. If he was worried about performing a certain activity depicted in the script, and needed assistance in performing it, the stunt coordinator is for him.

As a producer with Wayfarer, Baldoni made way, way more than his 330k paycheck on this movie. The movie grossed 350m but only cost 25m to make. That is way more than any other movie Baldoni has made before. And it did this in large part because of the big names attached to the movie, primarily Lively. Without her, he would have made a fraction of what he made with her in it.

Again Blake, because you helped the film make money does not mean you were sexually harassed.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

She didn't "make" him hire a trainer. Where are you getting this idea?

Also the comment you mentioned isn't "shaming" him. She's not even talking about him in the comment -- she's talking about herself. She referencing how hard it is to work out when you are heavily pregnant. Is he heavily pregnant in that photo? No.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the majority of folks in this thread now appear convinced that Baldoni is going to be successful in his NYT suit is basically proof positive of bots, astroturfing or idiocy; I'm just not sure which one!

No one said he would win his law suit, several have said that the case would settle, which would means he gets money. There is simple no reason for the NY Times to take on the reputational risk of litigation, they are going to look bad even if they win.

Blake may not settle even though she should make this go away as soon as possible. But she has a personal interest in it, and the New York Times does not. A simple cost benefit analysis favors settlement for them, especially if they could settle for les than their litigation costs, or if the settlement is covered by insurance.

I actually think it's inconceivable that the NYT settles this.

Same.

A huge problem for Baldoni here is that he absolutely hired that PR firm and those texts are real. He's arguing libel. What is the defamation. That the texts look slightly less cruel if you put them in broader context? That's not a case.

I think a lot of people on this thread don't understand that the burden for a public person to prove against a newspaper are incredibly high. The law requires him to prove they published lies or intentionally mislead readers with malice (meaning on purpose with intent to harm). It's a high bar. Public people have to clear a higher hurdle than someone who is not famous because otherwise there would be a chilling effect on the press and they'd be afraid to publish anything about any notable person. Well that's most news.

He will not win. The paper will not settle. This is an easy one.

Baldoni is a public figure, of sorts. Were the PR ppl named in the NYT article? They are not public figures, right, and their correspondence was misleadingly (arguably) published.

Pp- you do realize Trump, the most public figure, just got a defamation settlement last month, right? The ignorance on here is shocking.


PR people are not public figures most likely. And as I’ve posted above, this is a legal call to be made by the judge. And the standard for private is negligence. The standard for public is not only actual malice, it is ‘reckless disregard for the truth’. A jury of everyday people will decide that, and if half the posters on here think the lofty NYT screwed up, don’t you think a jury might find this also.

People like PP who don’t know this area of the law should stop posting as if they know what they’re talking about because they took one media law class 20 years ago.

That was the network trying to curry favor with him and ensure their reporters aren't left out of briefings, interviews with others in the Adm etc. It was political and not a precedent for anything with an ordinary celeb.

Is it otherwise concerning, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

And what would be the professional way to go about answering that serious question?

A lot of her accusations sound incomplete. Like, he hired his actor friend as the obgyn. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. He behaved like a professional. Or, he asked my trainer how much I weighed for an upcoming lift sequence. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. My husband chewed him out and then we didn’t do the lift scene. Or, he responded to me commenting on my body makeup with “it smells good?” Okay, then what happened? Nothing. He said “cut” and walked away. Or, this guy made eye contact with me when I had asked him to turn around. Okay, then what happened? He apologized profusely for making eye contact with me.

There’s clearly a pattern of her being sensitive about her body and of people responding to that sensitivity as best they can.

Good observations. Also characteristic of a personality disorder to consistently misinterpret other’s actions as being specifically motivated to harm her. It’s a type of “idea of reference” and the kind of distorted cognition that led to the concept of “borderline personality disorder” as a thought disorder.

I actually think it’s much simpler. No personality disorder required, she and her husband are just a holes and super greedy and saw a way to get control of this film and the next one and it backfired.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

I don’t see that at all. I see nothing unprofessional about Baldoni consulting with his trainer about this. Remember that her accusation is that this was fat shaming and I guess an example of gender discrimination or sexual harassment (unclear). When literally all he did was ask what her weight was. Blake’s position seems to be that ANY mention of her weight is per se inappropriate. Which is clearly untenable as he had a legitimate reason to know. So really this dumb episode serves to demonstrate Blake’s paranoia and distorted thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

She didn't "make" him hire a trainer. Where are you getting this idea?

Also the comment you mentioned isn't "shaming" him. She's not even talking about him in the comment -- she's talking about herself. She referencing how hard it is to work out when you are heavily pregnant. Is he heavily pregnant in that photo? No.

You are missing the point. I’m saying how easy it is to take every day, non threatening interactions, and twist them. Which is exactly what she did.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Blake shouldn’t have made him hire a trainer? You can go back to his Instagram when they followed each other before shooting started. He had a picture of him exercising. She actually shamed him and said “ try doing that eight months pregnant”.

See how easy it is to twist things? See how easy it was to say the she probably should’ve maintain more professional boundaries?

Ridiculous.

If he felt shamed by that I’m sure it would have been in his 179 page complaint.

Missed the whole point. A reasonable person wouldn’t have been shamed by that. He probably didn’t think a thing of it because he’s a rational . She is taking normal, reasonable interactions, and is demonstrating that she is way over sensitive to them. To the point where she’s blackballing someone from an industry and taking over this movie and the next one from him.

I am a normal, reasonable person. If my colleague asked my trainer how much I weight behind my back, I would be pissed. That is not appropriate.

I would not care even a tiny little bit. I would think he’s thinking of me as a weight (like a barbell).