DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the PP but he (she?) is right. You do know the US WNT lost to a U15 boys academy team?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/amp/

I find it less to do with men vs women as I do how girls/womens soccer is coached. Girls are taught to practically always, always 1 touch pass, ever dribble, never try things. At my DD's practices, every single last drill has a touch limit. It's nauseating. She gets told specifically not to dribble, and the entire club has is run that way.

Because we are not nurturing great soccer, we are not getting it. The US just wants athletic, fast girls, not ballers. I literally laugh when people tell me that the NWSL is the nest league on earth. Says WHO? European women's football is so much better.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anything you posted but you do realize that you are contradicting yourself right? Why would you need athletic girls if all you do is touch-limited? That sounds more like possession soccer to me and would reduce the importance of athletes. For the record, I think both the mens and womens game in this country heavily discriminate against intelligent and creative soccer and rely only on big, strong and fast - few exceptions to this.

[Anonymous]

The whole point of a gambeta is that it achieves with just 1 player what it would normally take 2 players to do if they were combining. People in the states need to realize the importance of being able to beat your man 1v1. We’ve defaulted into 1-touch, 2-touch rather than let our players make mistakes and learn from them.

[Anonymous]

OP on the WS going pro option.

You are missing my point talking about this or that training opportunity. It's about being in an organization that is the professional option in our region. If you're so good at 16 that you need to be challenged, you train or play with the 19 team. If you're so good at 16 or 19 that the 19 team isn't challenging, you train with the reserve team or the pro team from there. Or you train with boys through their partnerships and coaching connections like Baltimore and DC DAs. If you're so good that training with the reserves, pros, or boys DA isn't challenging, then you're a unicorn and are already a pro.

If your own DD's dream of being a pro one day is at least possible, and she has the chance to play in the academy of a pro team with more challenging option all the way up the up to the pro team, why would she purposefully leave that system and make it all the harder to get back in during or after college? It would be one thing if the teams and training sucked, but they don't. And it sounds like it's going to get a lot better.

People will move for a lot of reasons, but can't deny that if DD is truly pro material when she graduates college, she'll have a better shot at being drafted if she's been in a pro team program before. It also won't be long before us soccer makes it less and less likely youth national team players will be coming from anywhere other than DA programs in cities where those programs exist.

To each their own. This isn't about one specific player movement. Just general thoughts and our reasoning for staying put. The environment is more than good enough. The experience of the staff at knowing what pros need is unquestioned. There are unlimited options to be challenged.

And no, we don't pay for season tickets, they are a free benefit, not a cost. Why does that keep coming up? The face value is $230 and it's not itemized in our club dues. Watching live soccer is a big part of development anyway. How can a person aspire to something with realistic goals if they've never seen it up close?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP on the WS going pro option.

You are missing my point talking about this or that training opportunity. It's about being in an organization that is the professional option in our region. If you're so good at 16 that you need to be challenged, you train or play with the 19 team. If you're so good at 16 or 19 that the 19 team isn't challenging, you train with the reserve team or the pro team from there. Or you train with boys through their partnerships and coaching connections like Baltimore and DC DAs. If you're so good that training with the reserves, pros, or boys DA isn't challenging, then you're a unicorn and are already a pro.

If your own DD's dream of being a pro one day is at least possible, and she has the chance to play in the academy of a pro team with more challenging option all the way up the up to the pro team, why would she purposefully leave that system and make it all the harder to get back in during or after college? It would be one thing if the teams and training sucked, but they don't. And it sounds like it's going to get a lot better.

People will move for a lot of reasons, but can't deny that if DD is truly pro material when she graduates college, she'll have a better shot at being drafted if she's been in a pro team program before. It also won't be long before us soccer makes it less and less likely youth national team players will be coming from anywhere other than DA programs in cities where those programs exist.

To each their own. This isn't about one specific player movement. Just general thoughts and our reasoning for staying put. The environment is more than good enough. The experience of the staff at knowing what pros need is unquestioned. There are unlimited options to be challenged.

And no, we don't pay for season tickets, they are a free benefit, not a cost. Why does that keep coming up? The face value is $230 and it's not itemized in our club dues. Watching live soccer is a big part of development anyway. How can a person aspire to something with realistic goals if they've never seen it up close?

+1. There are posters that will disagree. Those parents prioritize winning over being in a pro program. To each their own. When we reach DA age soon this will be our thoughts as well. The opportunity to play with the best coaches and players beats the team record for us.

By the way this is what happened in boys DA as well. The MLS team DA program dominate boys DA. It’s hard to beat access to pros and pro coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Not agreeing or disagreeing with anything you posted but you do realize that you are contradicting yourself right? Why would you need athletic girls if all you do is touch-limited? That sounds more like possession soccer to me and would reduce the importance of athletes. For the record, I think both the mens and womens game in this country heavily discriminate against intelligent and creative soccer and rely only on big, strong and fast - few exceptions to this.

One touch soccer does NOT equal possession soccer, although possession soccer does include some one touch passes. One touch soccer exclusively often creates a chaotic sort of play style where girls have to go in hard and physical to win possession or run to catch up with one touch passes forced in.

Possession soccer includes any number of passes and is the opposite of say, for example high school ball with a lot of long ball, big boots to nowhere.

[Anonymous]

Yea possession soccer is more about interpreting, taking, and creating space properly. Fluidity is movement, interchanging positions, taking risks, etc

[Anonymous]

^^^ any number of touches

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yea possession soccer is more about interpreting, taking, and creating space properly. Fluidity is movement, interchanging positions, taking risks, etc

+1

[Anonymous]

And no, we don't pay for season tickets, they are a free benefit, not a cost. Why does that keep coming up? The face value is $230 and it's not itemized in our club dues. Watching live soccer is a big part of development anyway. How can a person aspire to something with realistic goals if they've never seen it up close?
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Its not rocket science.
It happens all the time with other sports --- you think ever youth basketball, football, hockey, etc. players attends a bunch of pro events, or even college games.
Let me guess --- soccer is special.

[Anonymous]

So much wrong here

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:OP on the WS going pro option.

You are missing my point talking about this or that training opportunity.

Reread your post. You were the one who talked about the chance to train with Mallory and Andi.

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:
It's about being in an organization that is the professional option in our region. If you're so good at 16 that you need to be challenged, you train or play with the 19 team. If you're so good at 16 or 19 that the 19 team isn't challenging, you train with the reserve team or the pro team from there. Or you train with boys through their partnerships and coaching connections like Baltimore and DC DAs. If you're so good that training with the reserves, pros, or boys DA isn't challenging, then you're a unicorn and are already a pro.

Right now, FCV has stronger teams, so if you’re there, there’s less need to train up. At Spirit, I know of no one from the current DA player playing on the reserve team, even the former national team player, so it is not actually an option. Again, training (for the very limited few) with the pros 3-4 years does not equal training with top players in your age group 4 times a week.

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:If your own DD's dream of being a pro one day is at least possible, and she has the chance to play in the academy of a pro team with more challenging option all the way up the up to the pro team, why would she purposefully leave that system and make it all the harder to get back in during or after college? It would be one thing if the teams and training sucked, but they don't. And it sounds like it's going to get a lot better.

. There is a big gap opening between the FCV and Spirit teams. What is you’re basis for saying it’s improving, especially in VA given the number of players who have left?

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:
People will move for a lot of reasons, but can't deny that if DD is truly pro material when she graduates college, she'll have a better shot at being drafted if she's been in a pro team program before.

I disagree that leaving Spirit for another DA would make it harder after college. Any pro team (soccer or other sport) wants the best quality player first and foremast. If you’re better from playing at a different club, you’ll get picked first. Only if two players are identical might past club experience come into play but players are never identical.

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:
It also won't be long before us soccer makes it less and less likely youth national team players will be coming from anywhere other than DA programs in cities where those programs exist.

This is not relevant here because both FCV and Spirit are DAs. And FCV has more and more current NT-level players than either Spirit branch.

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:To each their own. This isn't about one specific player movement. Just general thoughts and our reasoning for staying put. The environment is more than good enough. The experience of the staff at knowing what pros need is unquestioned.

If you say so.

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:There are unlimited options to be challenged.

As explained above, the options are limited, especially for older players.

Delusional Spirit Parent wrote:And no, we don't pay for season tickets, they are a free benefit, not a cost. Why does that keep coming up? The face value is $230 and it's not itemized in our club dues. Watching live soccer is a big part of development anyway. How can a person aspire to something with realistic goals if they've never seen it up close?

It was just one club poking fun at another club, just like the comment about FCV’s multiple practice jerseys. Monday is a pink day, right?

[Anonymous]

But you've got to remember that Delusional Spirit Parent isn't just happy that their kid (presumably) plays for the Spirit DA, the rest of us are inferior because our kids don't, and our idiots if we believe that our kids can maximize their potential or become great players if they are not playing for the Spirit DA

[Anonymous]

FCV is the greatest club, with the greatest coaches, and the greatest talent, with the greatest parents, who live is the greatest county, with the greatest friends who drink the greatest wine while sitting in a semi-circle by a fire and talk about the local losers.

Congrats FCV parents. You win.

Can we move on now.

[Anonymous]

You have to remember that FCV is about recruiting. Each age group has a parent or two whose job it is to recruit. They do this in exchange for extra control of the team and hopefully opportunities and primarily because they want their DDs team to win. It is not necessarily the team manager. Usually it’s the parent that coordinates side training, futsal, super Y etc. If those parents see a good player they talk to the parents about joining the club. It happened to us so I know this first hand. Those parents are on this board. They have a clear agenda and that is to recruit better players to come to FCV. The club focuses on development too but recruiting is just as important.

Think about the non-stop promotion on this board for the club, and the quick cut downs on other clubs. What other purpose does it serve? Hopefully nobody has the ego and time to commit to this unless they are recruiting.

Best of luck to you all.

[Anonymous]

That is funny but in all seriousness, isn't FCV the best DA program in the region in terms of wins/losses across every age group? Didn't two of their teams make the playoffs. I am not pro-FCV but they must be doing something right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is funny but in all seriousness, isn't FCV the best DA program in the region in terms of wins/losses across every age group? Didn't two of their teams make the playoffs. I am not pro-FCV but they must be doing something right.

If McLean or Bethesda had been awarded GDA instead of two startups without established ECNL rosters do you honestly believe FCV would have that record? Was anyone really singing their praises like this when it was just ECNL? FCV had a head start but that won’t last fore long.