Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

So ask her! Or maybe if you're that unfit, don't hire an actress almost 6ft tall knowing there is a lift scene.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

And what would be the professional way to go about answering that serious question?

A lot of her accusations sound incomplete. Like, he hired his actor friend as the obgyn. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. He behaved like a professional. Or, he asked my trainer how much I weighed for an upcoming lift sequence. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. My husband chewed him out and then we didn’t do the lift scene. Or, he responded to me commenting on my body makeup with “it smells good?” Okay, then what happened? Nothing. He said “cut” and walked away. Or, this guy made eye contact with me when I had asked him to turn around. Okay, then what happened? He apologized profusely for making eye contact with me.

There’s clearly a pattern of her being sensitive about her body and of people responding to that sensitivity as best they can.

Yes, gossiping behind her back with her trainer about her weight really doesn't do a lot to dispel that people weren't fat shaming.

Why are you framing it as gossiping? Why are you implying that this normal weight woman is fat? And when did he use the info to fat shame her?

If she's a normal weight, what's the issue with lifting her? Asking her trainer her weight is BS.

Ah so here’s how a breakdown in their miscommunication could have begun. We’re operating as if Justin has been told he can lift things of a normal weight, and if he’s asking Blake her weight, it implies he thinks she’s not a normal weight. Someone who looks super fit may not be reasonable to carry for someone like him because they still weigh above a certain amount.

Anyways, maybe he could have asked more tactfully, who knows how he approached the issue, but this is a Reddit AITA situation that is not a big deal and doesn’t seem to be indicative of harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

So ask her! Or maybe if you're that unfit, don't hire an actress almost 6ft tall knowing there is a lift scene.

Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve. Doesn’t mean this situation warranted starting WWIII.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

And what would be the professional way to go about answering that serious question?

A lot of her accusations sound incomplete. Like, he hired his actor friend as the obgyn. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. He behaved like a professional. Or, he asked my trainer how much I weighed for an upcoming lift sequence. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. My husband chewed him out and then we didn’t do the lift scene. Or, he responded to me commenting on my body makeup with “it smells good?” Okay, then what happened? Nothing. He said “cut” and walked away. Or, this guy made eye contact with me when I had asked him to turn around. Okay, then what happened? He apologized profusely for making eye contact with me.

There’s clearly a pattern of her being sensitive about her body and of people responding to that sensitivity as best they can.

Yes, gossiping behind her back with her trainer about her weight really doesn't do a lot to dispel that people weren't fat shaming.

Why are you framing it as gossiping? Why are you implying that this normal weight woman is fat? And when did he use the info to fat shame her?

If she's a normal weight, what's the issue with lifting her? Asking her trainer her weight is BS.

A “normal” weight for a 5’10” woman (using bmi charts) is anywhere from 130 and 170 pounds. You guys are so sensitive! It’s nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

And what would be the professional way to go about answering that serious question?

A lot of her accusations sound incomplete. Like, he hired his actor friend as the obgyn. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. He behaved like a professional. Or, he asked my trainer how much I weighed for an upcoming lift sequence. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. My husband chewed him out and then we didn’t do the lift scene. Or, he responded to me commenting on my body makeup with “it smells good?” Okay, then what happened? Nothing. He said “cut” and walked away. Or, this guy made eye contact with me when I had asked him to turn around. Okay, then what happened? He apologized profusely for making eye contact with me.

There’s clearly a pattern of her being sensitive about her body and of people responding to that sensitivity as best they can.

Yes, gossiping behind her back with her trainer about her weight really doesn't do a lot to dispel that people weren't fat shaming.

Why are you framing it as gossiping? Why are you implying that this normal weight woman is fat? And when did he use the info to fat shame her?

If she's a normal weight, what's the issue with lifting her? Asking her trainer her weight is BS.

A “normal” weight for a 5’10” woman (using bmi charts) is anywhere from 130 and 170 pounds. You guys are so sensitive! It’s nuts.

Aw, you tried! Keep giving us more examples of on set unprofessionalism.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

So ask her! Or maybe if you're that unfit, don't hire an actress almost 6ft tall knowing there is a lift scene.

Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve. Doesn’t mean this situation warranted starting WWIII.

So not this situation, not the other 25 or so, etc. It's almost as if it's meant to show a pattern.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

And what would be the professional way to go about answering that serious question?

A lot of her accusations sound incomplete. Like, he hired his actor friend as the obgyn. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. He behaved like a professional. Or, he asked my trainer how much I weighed for an upcoming lift sequence. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. My husband chewed him out and then we didn’t do the lift scene. Or, he responded to me commenting on my body makeup with “it smells good?” Okay, then what happened? Nothing. He said “cut” and walked away. Or, this guy made eye contact with me when I had asked him to turn around. Okay, then what happened? He apologized profusely for making eye contact with me.

There’s clearly a pattern of her being sensitive about her body and of people responding to that sensitivity as best they can.

Yes, gossiping behind her back with her trainer about her weight really doesn't do a lot to dispel that people weren't fat shaming.

Why are you framing it as gossiping? Why are you implying that this normal weight woman is fat? And when did he use the info to fat shame her?

If she's a normal weight, what's the issue with lifting her? Asking her trainer her weight is BS.

A “normal” weight for a 5’10” woman (using bmi charts) is anywhere from 130 and 170 pounds. You guys are so sensitive! It’s nuts.

Aw, you tried! Keep giving us more examples of on set unprofessionalism.

What is your rebuttal here, exactly? Trying to make me feel small?

Just to add: Google his wife. A 5’9” fit, healthy, and curvy woman just like BL. I seriously doubt it was an attempt to fat shame her.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

And what would be the professional way to go about answering that serious question?

A lot of her accusations sound incomplete. Like, he hired his actor friend as the obgyn. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. He behaved like a professional. Or, he asked my trainer how much I weighed for an upcoming lift sequence. Okay, so then what happened? Nothing. My husband chewed him out and then we didn’t do the lift scene. Or, he responded to me commenting on my body makeup with “it smells good?” Okay, then what happened? Nothing. He said “cut” and walked away. Or, this guy made eye contact with me when I had asked him to turn around. Okay, then what happened? He apologized profusely for making eye contact with me.

There’s clearly a pattern of her being sensitive about her body and of people responding to that sensitivity as best they can.

Yes, gossiping behind her back with her trainer about her weight really doesn't do a lot to dispel that people weren't fat shaming.

Why are you framing it as gossiping? Why are you implying that this normal weight woman is fat? And when did he use the info to fat shame her?

If she's a normal weight, what's the issue with lifting her? Asking her trainer her weight is BS.

A “normal” weight for a 5’10” woman (using bmi charts) is anywhere from 130 and 170 pounds. You guys are so sensitive! It’s nuts.

Aw, you tried! Keep giving us more examples of on set unprofessionalism.

What is your rebuttal here, exactly? Trying to make me feel small?

Just to add: Google his wife. A 5’9” fit, healthy, and curvy woman just like BL. I seriously doubt it was an attempt to fat shame her.

You seriously doubt. Ok! I'm sure Sabrina Carpenter was available if he needed a very petite small woman to lift.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

This is such a stretch. All of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

This is such a stretch. All of it.

Are you the one trying to convince us it's a-ok to pump a trainer for personal information about their clients?

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

Exactly. He wasn’t getting this information to fat shame her. There’s no evidence that he was the least bit concerned about how she looked for this role. In fact, there is evidence of him telling her not to worry about this, telling her it’s the last thing that she should be worried about.

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Anonymous wrote:The putative lawyer (or lawyers) claiming that the NY Times case will not settle is insane. The overwhelmingly majority of cases settle. Settlement is particularly likely when the facts of the case are embarrassing to one of the parties. It’s just easier and cheaper to settle and avoid the risk of a renegade judge or jury.

Lawyer here. You clearly don’t know this industry at all. Sure, most cases do settle but defamation cases by investigative outlets with deep pockets like the NYT usually don’t and the NYT typically fights these cases bc this is their core business and they don’t want to be a target for claims which they would be if they rolled easily. But I’ve been saying that I think this case could be an exception to that rule given NYT v Sullivan risk and just how sloppy this article was.

Sure sounds like we reached the same conclusion. The article in question is an outlier, and there is a high chance that the NY Times will receive negative publicity in this case. Further, the underlying case is a lightening rod with lots of social media interest. It isn’t typical in any respect.

Adding I am also a lawyer

Pp here. Ok but you are clearly not a media lawyer. You think you know more than you do

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Anonymous wrote:Confused about the weight discussion. If someone has back problems, I’d imagine a health professional might tell them they can’t lift above a specific amount. Am I wrong? I’m actually asking here. In which case it sounds reasonable to find out what someone actually weighs. It’s not like they’d tell someone they can’t lift someone who is fat, and Justin is asking her trainer, “Hey, is Blake actually fat?”

To me this is a great example of how Baldoni and Wayfarer just ran a really unprofessional set and seemed to struggle with handling even basic communication with Lively and her team. The entire reason that people like this have teams of professionals around them is to make it easier to do stuff like this. If he has been told he can't live above a certain amount, he informs the stunt coordinator who can professionally investigate whether the lift can be done safely. Without playing telephone on the subject of Lively's weight. It was very unprofessional for Baldoni to try to make an end run around a normal, professional way of handling that by asking Blake's personal trainer what she weighs. So unprofessional that I get why Lively felt like he was just fishing around for personal info about him. Especially if he and Heath regularly engaged in this kind of unprofessional communication.

And yes, being *this* unprofessional on a film set could result in a sexual harassment claim or hostile work environment. Why do you think most corporate workplaces have Human Resources divisions and a lot of formal policies about how communication happens and how conflicts are resolved? Because if you don't, it is very easy for things to go sideways. Professionalism is your best guard against employment claims of all kinds, and Wayfarer appears to have been a sloppy, disorganized, and unprofessional outfit on a major motion picture with a number of famous actors involved. They were playing with fire.

Stuff like this is why I'm unsurprised that other members of the cast have sided vocally with Lively and collaborated with her to "freeze him out" at the premiere. Perhaps she has the most actionable claims because she interacted with Baldoni so much more as the star of the movie, but if this is how Baldoni was handling matters on set, all the actors felt it and noticed. Especially the industry veterans who have worked on major studio films (not just smaller indie films) and know what industry standards look like.

This is why I personally think Baldoni and Wayfarer brought this on themselves. This movie was a big step up for Wayfarer in terms of budget, distribution, and commercial visibility, with a fairly big name cast and based on a very popular novel. But I think they were running things pretty much the same as Baldoni ran the small productions on the couple little indie films he'd made previously. That's their screw up. Everything flowed from that. Baldoni and Heath knew the set had been a $hitshow and that Lively (and likely other cast and crew) might spill the beans on it later, and that's what led Baldoni to hire the PR firm to try and undermine her in the press, and that led to her complaint and where we are at now. But it starts with Baldoni and Heath failing at their job and running an unprofessional set.

As someone who has worked for a really unprofessional company where sexual harassment DID happen in large part because management failed to set a tone of professionalism and appropriate communication, I see all the red flags for that here as well.

But this was not Deadpool, do you seriously think they had a stunt coordinator for this movie? This was actually a pretty small budgeted film. Maybe if Blake needed to all these accommodations, she really should sign onto bigger film with more budget.

Who else was going to direct this? Justin got $330,000 for directing and starring in this film. It’s not a huge salary. Obviously if the film did well, he would get a big cut as a producer. But that is a risk. What seasoned director would’ve taken it on for that amount of money?

If Blake wants more accommodations, she needs to get better jobs frankly.

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Anonymous wrote:What is actually absurd is that people think her harassment case hangs on the interpretation of the one scene.

You can't prove OR disprove a hostile work environment claim by looking at one incident.

Did he enter her trailer unannounced while she was nursing or pumping? Did she ask him not to? Did he do it again?

Did Heath enter the makeup trailer while she was topless even after she asked him not to? Did she ask him to turn around? Did he?

Did Baldoni and Heath suddenly introduce the idea of Lively being fully nude for the birthing scene on the day of the shoot? Did they attempt to show her a video of a nude birth without her consent? Was Lively denied some kind of covering during the filming of the scene when asked? Was the set open or closed?

Did Lively make requests for the IC to be present in certain scenes and was this request respected? Did Baldoni make scenes more intimate or introduce nudity to scenes where it was not scripted, and fail to engage the IC or ensure Lively was giving consent to these changes?

Did Wayfarer properly obtain nudity riders from Lively for all nudity in the movie, and did the film follow contractual obligations of the rider?

Was the IC engaged following typical industry standards?

And then there are all these more minor allegations that could contribute to hostile work environment, if true. Like the allegation that Baldoni told Lively, on multiple occasions and even after she asked him not to, that he was communicating with her dead father. Or the allegation that Baldoni repeatedly discussed pornography with Lively even after she asked him not to, and made fun of the fact that she had disclosed to him that she had never seen pornography to a group of crew members.

I have no idea what the truth to these allegations is. Neither does anyone else on this thread. But this is what the case is about. It does not hinge on whether or not Lively appears to look uncomfortable in a few minutes of b-roll. That footage will be relevant to the case as it concerns one of her allegations. But the case does not revolve around it and if they can prove other allegations, it may not mater if the fact finder concludes that specific institute did not constitute harassment or contribute to hostile work environment.

Y'all are trying to litigate this case without discovery. It's dumb. We don't know! We also may never know if it settles out of court which it probably should, because figuring out the veracity of all of the forgoing allegations is going to be painful and unpleasant for all involved.

When you allege things happened a certain way in your complaint and then recordings of you and texts sent by you disprove that, you have ruined your credibility. That is what happened here.

Exactly. And people are ignoring one major red flag of the scene. Her team was not aware that it had audio. If Blake knew that he had his microphone on, and all their conversation was picked up, guarantee nothing in the scene would have been included because it absolutely does not hold up.

This absolutely damaged her credibility.

And then we are talking about this because this is just the latest. There are so many more she things. She blatantly implied in her suit that he went behind her back to ask her trainer about her weight. Then we find out she set justin up with her and Ryan’s trainer to help with his back problems. There are texts by the trainer, giving him a special program to help strengthen his back. He was talking to Blake’s trainer about his back problems in a way very much sanctioned by her. Certainly lifting her in a scene would be absolutely relevant to both of their safety.

Then we get all the texts about how worried she is about her body, and him being nothing but professional, comforting, telling her absolutely not to worry about it, they’re going to set it up in a way that’s going to make her comfortable.

I’ll say it again, it’s possible she felt uncomfortable for some things going on in this set. It seems like she created a lot of the chaos and she’s clearly taken so many things out of context so it’s hard to believe her about any of the other things.

If she has a case bring forward actual examples that show he was acting inappropriate. If there are five examples where he was, and you bring out five others where he wasn’t, it really is going to hurt your credibility.

On what planet is it ok to ask the trainer about her weight? It’s still inappropriate. Stop making excuses.

On what planet would it not be appropriate to make sure it’s safe to lift her? He has a history of major back problems. 100% appropriate question and actually inappropriate not to for both their safety.

It’s hardly sexual harassment and it had nothing to do with him wanting her to lose weight. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. You're wrong on this. As if he knows that 135 is ok but 140 is absolutely not. What a nut bag.

Men have no concept of what women weigh. What makes you think he was wondering about a 5 pound difference.

+100. And as a woman I’m not even sure how much women weigh who have different body types or heights from me. I couldn’t guess how much BL weighed. She’s tall (5-10) and not super skinny so it could be anywhere between 130-165.