ANY other corner of the world? Like more than in Saudi Arabia? More than in Nigeria? Listen moron, there is no such thing as “the global norm” when it comes to procreation. And if there was, perhaps you can let your Israeli friends know? That’s one corner of the world that seems to be breeding like rabbits. |
Wait you’ve been called out in a lie and your excuse is “well it was true twenty years ago”? Okay. I stand by my original assessment. You lying moron. |
| How is 3.38 children per woman “well above twice the global norm”? This math ain’t mathing. |
It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over. If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba. You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption. So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored. The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf. It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there |
It’s lying and obfuscation. Gaza actually has an infertility problem and lots of IVF clinics due to the chemicals israel releases in the bombs. The highest fertility rate are Israeli settlers who pop 7-10 kids each in the West Bank within spitting distance of an uprising/danger. This is Netanyahus plan for Israeli growth. Placing settlements and IDF inside a very precarious situation in the West Bank. |
| Explain how a Palestinian can move to Israel, please. |
What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us! |
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4,000 embryos destroyed as Israel bombed a fertility clinic in Gaza
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/4000-ivf-embryos-destroyed-1-shelling-gazas-largest/story?id=109350404 "Najwa came to our center in 2022. She had lost her 19-year-old son Khalil in a bombing near their home in Jabalia refugee camp. He was her only child and born after many failed IVF attempts," said Dr. Ghalayini. "She was devastated. We did two operations free of charge for her, we froze her embryos.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/war-halts-ivf-treatment-in-gaza-as-parents-mourn-miracle-children It took surgery and five years of IVF treatment for Amal to fall pregnant for the first and only time. That struggle against infertility lasted almost as long as her son Khaled’s short life. He was just seven years old when on 17 October an Israeli airstrike on Rafah, one of the first of the war, hit the family home. Khaled was killed and Amal was plunged into a grief heightened by memories of her long battle to become a mother. Sometimes she struggles to keep going. “Death, in all its finality, seems less daunting than the relentless pain of living without Khaled,” she said. “He was the most precious thing in my life.” |
High birth rates are common in illiterate, misogynistic, backwards tribal desert cultures like the Jewish ultra-orthodox and Muslim fundamentalists like Sunni Palestinian women in Hamas-led Gaza. Lot of similarities between the two communities. |
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Suicide rates went down in Israel after 10/7 contrary to what they expected
https://revealinside.in/israel-reports-drop-in-suicide/ https://www.newarab.com/features/suicidal-thoughts-become-common-gazas-children?amp In Gaza, kids as young as age five want to die and contemplate and attempt suicide On a cold February morning in Rafah, Baraa Shaheen found his six-year-old brother, Nael, quivering under a truck, waiting to be run over. Two days earlier, the house next to their tent had been bombed, scattering their family of seven. In a light blue ragged t-shirt and trousers, Nael lay emaciated, dazed, and confused, pleading for his parents. He told Baraa he wanted to die so he could join his family, whom he thought had died. Baraa, a trained nurse, immediately rushed Nael to Al Nasser Medical Centre and promised he would return with sweets while continuing his search for the family. "He was thirsty and very cold. I tried to help him as much as I could," recalls Baraa. Before Baraa could return, Nael died at the Al Nasser Medical Complex, Gaza's largest remaining hospital. Dr Kamal Hamdona said Nael had signs of severe hypothermia, which required urgent medical intervention. The day after Nael's death, Israeli forces targeted the hospital. On February 18, the hospital ceased its operations, and Dr Kamal Hamdona went missing. Since then, the Gaza Health Ministry has reported that Israeli forces have detained more than 100 medical professionals – their whereabouts are still unknown. In April, a mass grave with 283 bodies, some of which were stripped naked with hands tied, was found in the hospital grounds. Overcrowding, bombing, malnutrition, disease and poor sanitation are rampant. Even before October 7, a psychotherapist in Gaza, Dr Mustafa Elmasri, noted an alarming increase in children who were suicidal and self-harming." Four or five-year-olds would climb a high building, others would run in front of fast-moving cars, and some would lie under a parked car," he says, describing accounts of some of the patients he has treated. |
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I don’t see how this helps Israel’s future.
Dr. Elmasri, who previously worked in Cambodia, Algeria, and Sudan, says Gazan children are living in a permanent state of fear, with a sense of betrayal by adults or protectors, and a perception of the world being inherently dangerous. Some who have lost entire families hallucinate and talk to the deceased. Others scratch themselves and hurt their heads. A new acronym, Wounded Child No Surviving Family, has been coined to highlight the high number of injured children in Gaza without surviving family members. UNICEF estimates that at least 17,000 children in the Gaza Strip are unaccompanied or separated. The actual number could be higher, aid groups warn. Ammar Ammar, UNICEF’s Middle East and North Africa communications chief, estimates that the entire 1.1 million population of children in Gaza needs urgent mental health and psychosocial support. |
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In Rafah, Ghada Oudah shares a tent with her nephews between the ages of 3 and 13. The children were orphaned after their parents were killed, along with her niece, aged 10. She says the bodies of her deceased family members are still under the rubble where they were killed in the north.
Ghada, a former international NGO worker, says there are many cases of children who suffer from traumatic stress. Some have lost their entire families, are still in shock and can’t speak." Her nephews wet the bed and have suffered hair and speech loss. Ghada moved from the north to the south and got separated from her daughters, aged eleven and nine. The couple are divorced, and the father has been looking after the girls. She longs to reunite with her daughters and fears they don’t have enough to eat. Currently, children have no access to specialised health services. Only 12 of the 36 health facilities are partially functioning. Ammar says the only psychiatric hospital in the Gaza Strip was ravaged, and six other mental health clinics on the Strip are not accessible. UNICEF runs some projects and activities with service providers. They have trained some staff in shelters to help children and parents deal with trauma. But it is not enough, warns Ammar. Against a sea of white tents in Rafah, acrobats dressed in bright orange, with red noses from the Free Gaza Circus, somersault, play tricks, pull funny faces and organise games. Children paint their faces, interact with the performers, and laugh in a brief respite from the bombing and grief which has consumed them for months. In 2018, Free Gaza Circus was founded to provide a safe environment to engage the youth in creative arts in a safe space. After seven months of bombing, Israeli forces have obliterated its building, and the whereabouts of hundreds of children who acquired circus crafts and skills — are unknown. Despite the struggles, the circus artists and acrobats provide psychological support. Mohammed Khader, the group’s founder says it is their passion project, their calling, their artistic purpose." The depression of this situation can be unbearable. At least the children have something to let them smile a few days per week — whenever it is possible," says Mohammed. |
What? Settlers have twice the birth rate of Gazans. You have no idea how fundamentalist the Sunni women of Gaza are, too. |
I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank. To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all. It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed |
Meanwhile, in Iraq, girls as young as 9 can be married but boys must be at least 15. |