Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:The irony is the shooter thought Charlie Kirk was a fascist, like dcum. But Kirk supported free markets. Fascism is state control of private enterprise through regulation and taxation, a system the far left actually embraces. By definition, the shooter’s own politics were closer to fascism.

I, and many leftists, think Trump is fascist. It's really pretty obvious that he is. I don't support violence against Trump, Charlie Kirk, Venezuelan people in boats, Gazans, or anyone really.

The shooter thought Charlie Kirk was fascist. Because he was a follower of Nick Fuentes and a groyper who was in a small, radicalized online right wing incel crowd.

We both use the same word, but have very, very different philosophies.

Fuentes has never called Charlie a fascist. Nobody on the far right would use that term as a pejorative against someone who they think isn’t sufficiently right wing. That makes no sense.

Well, the shooter might just be out of his mind. And strengthened by an extremist online right wing community. Or, he might have written that on the bullet for some other reason. Probably someone will ask him at the trial and we'll know then.

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

The reporter would verify they were speaking to a credible person before they published the news story.

Ok newspaperman, what does that mean?

Do you think journalists don’t verify their sources as credible before publishing a news story?

Why don’t you call CNN with your groyper theory and get it published?

All you gotta do is contact a reporter and they will take down your theory and publish it immediately, right?

They can verify if the witness knew the shooter and went to school with him. They cannot verify that what he is saying about the shooter is true. That is why the witness and his statement itself is the "news", not that oh wow we now resllt know the shooter's political thoughts. We don't.

And everyone is forgetting the shooter is still alive, with a voice.

And he hasn’t said anything yet. But everyone here is making up theories about groyper and Nick F. Where is the verified information for those posts?

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Anonymous wrote:When Melissa Hortman was murdered, how many conservative teachers, college professors, local elected officials, party officials, social media influencers, and people in general on their public social media accounts with their job titles in their bios came out and danced on her grave?

Virtually none because both sides are not the same.

I completely condemn the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

I would ask you what you find written by or spoken by Melissa Hortman or her spouse that advocated hateful attitudes that are in any way commensurate with the kinds of things Charlie Kirk said. No one deserves to be murdered for things they say. People can be held accountable socially for things they say. They can be disliked for things they say. People who are hateful and spread hate are generally not mourned. No one is obligated to lionize any person who is a lousy person, even when they are dead.

Meanwhile, I would like to see your condemnation in kind for every single GOP political leader, including POTUS, and every single RW political commentator or every single RW person on social media who made unfounded accusations and CALLED FOR RETRIBUTION AND VIOLANCE against all people on the "left" and Democrats over these past few days and who made fun of or light of the attack on Paul Pelosi, etc. etc.

No, both sides are not the same. One side's leadership consistently calls for efforts to address gun violence and mental health issues and the other shuts it down every time. One side values guns and money more than people.

Your hypocrisy is loud and clear. Get off your soapbox.

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But Maga would not admit it, even when their dear leader posting daily dose of hate on sosmed.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter followed Laura Loomer on X. But sure, he was a leftist.

The shooter was a cold blooded killer. The people who have been brainwashed by the messaging of our two political parties are either idiots or temporary idiots who need to snap out of it.

So, you're saying that no one who is a killer has political beliefs? That motivate them to kill? Tell that to all of the members of armies in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:What we need is an objective leader, someone who is not swayed or influenced by either side. This is our only way out of this mess. Block out the noise and take control. Maybe this shooter was trying to prove a point, Kirk mentioned collateral damage from guns, fitting now that he is one of the thousands of victims of gun violence.

This country hasn't had a legitimate leader since January of 2017 so there is something behind what you're saying.

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Anonymous wrote:The irony is the shooter thought Charlie Kirk was a fascist, like dcum. But Kirk supported free markets. Fascism is state control of private enterprise through regulation and taxation, a system the far left actually embraces. By definition, the shooter’s own politics were closer to fascism.

I, and many leftists, think Trump is fascist. It's really pretty obvious that he is. I don't support violence against Trump, Charlie Kirk, Venezuelan people in boats, Gazans, or anyone really.

The shooter thought Charlie Kirk was fascist. Because he was a follower of Nick Fuentes and a groyper who was in a small, radicalized online right wing incel crowd.

We both use the same word, but have very, very different philosophies.

Fuentes has never called Charlie a fascist. Nobody on the far right would use that term as a pejorative against someone who they think isn’t sufficiently right wing. That makes no sense.

Well, the shooter might just be out of his mind. And strengthened by an extremist online right wing community. Or, he might have written that on the bullet for some other reason. Probably someone will ask him at the trial and we'll know then.

Yeah, it will be revealed in court. His attorneys won’t know either. The prosecution will wait until he testifies to find out what was going on. They won’t subpoena his online accounts or anything like that.

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

The reporter would verify they were speaking to a credible person before they published the news story.

Ok newspaperman, what does that mean?

Do you think journalists don’t verify their sources as credible before publishing a news story?

Why don’t you call CNN with your groyper theory and get it published?

All you gotta do is contact a reporter and they will take down your theory and publish it immediately, right?

They can verify if the witness knew the shooter and went to school with him. They cannot verify that what he is saying about the shooter is true. That is why the witness and his statement itself is the "news", not that oh wow we now resllt know the shooter's political thoughts. We don't.

And everyone is forgetting the shooter is still alive, with a voice.

And he hasn’t said anything yet. But everyone here is making up theories about groyper and Nick F. Where is the verified information for those posts?

I was just coming on to ask that myself. DCUM is famous for speculation turning into their reality.

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

You think someone called the Guardian and said they knew the shooter and the Guardian didn’t make sure the source was legitimate?

Someone could call the Guardian and actually be a legitimate source who actually knows the shooter, and then make up a lie that the shooter is a loony leftist to support a narrative. There isn’t any other source backing up that information, and this world is full of liars and trolls.

But I continue in my amusement at your vigorous defense of anonymous sourcing in the “liberal media.”

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

You think someone called the Guardian and said they knew the shooter and the Guardian didn’t make sure the source was legitimate?

All they could make sure of, in this quick turnaround moment, is that the person went to the same high school as the shooter. How on earth could the Guardian make sure that the classmate is still in touch with Tyler, or even was telling the truth about his political leanings? That's not verifiable information.

So why do you trust anonymous sources about Trump?

No this question applies to you not me (and i don't really think about the details of Donald Trump to have any idea about what anonymous sources are saying about him, I don’t have any anonymous source incidents in memory) as I was the one questioning an anonymous source and you don't want us to question it, then why do you not trust anonymous questions about Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

You think someone called the Guardian and said they knew the shooter and the Guardian didn’t make sure the source was legitimate?

All they could make sure of, in this quick turnaround moment, is that the person went to the same high school as the shooter. How on earth could the Guardian make sure that the classmate is still in touch with Tyler, or even was telling the truth about his political leanings? That's not verifiable information.

So why do you trust anonymous sources about Trump?

Bingo. These twits trust and promote any anonymous source who has something negative to say about Trump et al. They are hypocrites of the highest order.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The irony is the shooter thought Charlie Kirk was a fascist, like dcum. But Kirk supported free markets. Fascism is state control of private enterprise through regulation and taxation, a system the far left actually embraces. By definition, the shooter’s own politics were closer to fascism.

I, and many leftists, think Trump is fascist. It's really pretty obvious that he is. I don't support violence against Trump, Charlie Kirk, Venezuelan people in boats, Gazans, or anyone really.

The shooter thought Charlie Kirk was fascist. Because he was a follower of Nick Fuentes and a groyper who was in a small, radicalized online right wing incel crowd.

We both use the same word, but have very, very different philosophies.

Fuentes has never called Charlie a fascist. Nobody on the far right would use that term as a pejorative against someone who they think isn’t sufficiently right wing. That makes no sense.

Well, the shooter might just be out of his mind. And strengthened by an extremist online right wing community. Or, he might have written that on the bullet for some other reason. Probably someone will ask him at the trial and we'll know then.

Are you unaware of the extremist online left wing community?

Or just ignoring them?

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Anonymous wrote:Oof I would not want to be Fuentes right now:

High profile right wingers on X bicker like this constantly. I wouldn't read into it.

That said, I find it totally plausible that the shooter probably aligns politically with Fuentes. I just don't believe that he was so riled up by anything Fuentes said that it motivated the killing.

Listen to the full clip of August 2025. He literally directed his followers to harass Kirk at Kirk's college tour events.

I loathe Nick Fuentes but harass at college events is very very far from murder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What we need is an objective leader, someone who is not swayed or influenced by either side. This is our only way out of this mess. Block out the noise and take control. Maybe this shooter was trying to prove a point, Kirk mentioned collateral damage from guns, fitting now that he is one of the thousands of victims of gun violence.

This country hasn't had a legitimate leader since January of 2017 so there is something behind what you're saying.

We have had two elected Presidents since then, like them or not. They were legitimately elected. Can't use cute clever phrases to change history

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

You think someone called the Guardian and said they knew the shooter and the Guardian didn’t make sure the source was legitimate?

All they could make sure of, in this quick turnaround moment, is that the person went to the same high school as the shooter. How on earth could the Guardian make sure that the classmate is still in touch with Tyler, or even was telling the truth about his political leanings? That's not verifiable information.

So why do you trust anonymous sources about Trump?

Bingo. These twits trust and promote any anonymous source who has something negative to say about Trump et al. They are hypocrites of the highest order.

+1

A large percentage of Trump stories are from anonymous sources and leftists believe those stories.

Suddenly they are suspicious of anonymous sources.

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I live in a liberal city and work in a role where I interact with Democrat elected officials. What I have seen is just silence on this so far. Nobody I know is "celebrating" - AFAIK most people I know had never heard of Charlie Kirk. I haven't seen any statements denouncing the killing so far, though I know at the national level Democrats have done so and my city is not close to Utah.