Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Dozens of posters have discussed it here ad nauseam over the past few years. Although there are a few deniers with an agenda, there is no doubt that this went on.

I did a search, in deed there are thousands of posts screaming cheating, so unless you point to a specific incident, I am not really convinced. BTW my son is 8 year old, I am new to the scene, if you feel strongly you should point to certain article or post that discloses actual facts about any cheating incidents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Dozens of posters have discussed it here ad nauseam over the past few years. Although there are a few deniers with an agenda, there is no doubt that this went on.

I did a search, in deed there are thousands of posts screaming cheating, so unless you point to a specific incident, I am not really convinced. BTW my son is 8 year old, I am new to the scene, if you feel strongly you should point to certain article or post that discloses actual facts about any cheating incidents.

There are multiple articles cited that covered this, including one in the Washington Post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Dozens of posters have discussed it here ad nauseam over the past few years. Although there are a few deniers with an agenda, there is no doubt that this went on.

I did a search, in deed there are thousands of posts screaming cheating, so unless you point to a specific incident, I am not really convinced. BTW my son is 8 year old, I am new to the scene, if you feel strongly you should point to certain article or post that discloses actual facts about any cheating incidents.

There are multiple articles cited that covered this, including one in the Washington Post.

None of them say what you or others are claiming.

[Anonymous]

TJ student paper has claimed cheating repeatedly, with some anonymous claims of observed cheating.

https://www.tjtoday.org/27956/uncategorized/midterms-week-breeding-grounds-for-rampant-cheating/

https://www.tjtoday.org/27956/uncategorized/midterms-week-breeding-grounds-for-rampant-cheating/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Dozens of posters have discussed it here ad nauseam over the past few years. Although there are a few deniers with an agenda, there is no doubt that this went on.

I did a search, in deed there are thousands of posts screaming cheating, so unless you point to a specific incident, I am not really convinced. BTW my son is 8 year old, I am new to the scene, if you feel strongly you should point to certain article or post that discloses actual facts about any cheating incidents.

There are multiple articles cited that covered this, including one in the Washington Post.

Although it's a well known fact, tt doesn't matter how much evidence or first-hand accounts are posted. The C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Dozens of posters have discussed it here ad nauseam over the past few years. Although there are a few deniers with an agenda, there is no doubt that this went on.

I did a search, in deed there are thousands of posts screaming cheating, so unless you point to a specific incident, I am not really convinced. BTW my son is 8 year old, I am new to the scene, if you feel strongly you should point to certain article or post that discloses actual facts about any cheating incidents.

Ok. And? No one cares if you’re “convinced” or not. Is your kid even in FCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ student paper has claimed cheating repeatedly, with some anonymous claims of observed cheating.

https://www.tjtoday.org/27956/uncategorized/midterms-week-breeding-grounds-for-rampant-cheating/

https://www.tjtoday.org/27956/uncategorized/midterms-week-breeding-grounds-for-rampant-cheating/

My god. Are you people functionally illiterate? Am I debating bots?

The articles you cited are about cheating within TJ on TJ midterms. They have nothing whatsoever to do with a cheating scandal in the TJ admissions process leading to the new admissions process. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Dozens of posters have discussed it here ad nauseam over the past few years. Although there are a few deniers with an agenda, there is no doubt that this went on.

I did a search, in deed there are thousands of posts screaming cheating, so unless you point to a specific incident, I am not really convinced. BTW my son is 8 year old, I am new to the scene, if you feel strongly you should point to certain article or post that discloses actual facts about any cheating incidents.

So you did actually go back and read the student accounts about test questions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

Students claimed that many of the questions were from the actual test because they'd been building a question bank by debriefing students over several years.

This isn’t illegal, but many might see it as unethical because the students signed an NDA when they took the test. Some people just see it as working and studying hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep hearing that some cheating scandal from outside the Beltway was the primary agitator in VDOE and FCPS crackdown on the change at TJ. Is this true? Can someone help with recounting what this scandal was that will ultimately lead to the demise of this school?

Figures. Some people are so obsessed with getting their child in. As if the test prep factories were not enough, they have to resort to cheating. Glad this is all being addressed so admissions can be more fair.

+1

Cheating isn’t new there.

+2

I am wondering about the culture of test prep and teaching to the test? If your kid can not learn the information on their own, are they in the right classes?? You may criticize the U.S. schools, saying we are behind, then why are you so intent on U.S. schools??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”