Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

Students claimed that many of the questions were from the actual test because they'd been building a question bank by debriefing students over several years.

This isn’t illegal, but many might see it as unethical because the students signed an NDA when they took the test. Some people just see it as working and studying hard.

Isn’t this exactly what every SAT prep class does?

So now, taking a prep-class for any standardized test is somehow “cheating?”

Seriously ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

Students claimed that many of the questions were from the actual test because they'd been building a question bank by debriefing students over several years.

This isn’t illegal, but many might see it as unethical because the students signed an NDA when they took the test. Some people just see it as working and studying hard.

Isn’t this exactly what every SAT prep class does?

So now, taking a prep-class for any standardized test is somehow “cheating?”

Seriously ?

No. The SAT releases sample questions. The Quant-Q was designed to quantify natural critical thinking ability and they explicitly had students agree to not share content/format of the test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

Students claimed that many of the questions were from the actual test because they'd been building a question bank by debriefing students over several years.

This isn’t illegal, but many might see it as unethical because the students signed an NDA when they took the test. Some people just see it as working and studying hard.

Isn’t this exactly what every SAT prep class does?

So now, taking a prep-class for any standardized test is somehow “cheating?”

Seriously ?

Not only that..

...but the PP who is so over-the-top about this "scandal" based on some Facebook posts no one can produce, always leaves out that there were also two other tests in the first round and then there were even more rounds of considerations to finally get selected for TJ admission. But they keep going on about "bUyInG thEir WaY iN."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

Yes. I want links. Post them right here, in response to this post. I know you'll come up with some excuse as to why you won't rather than ponying up with the links. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no links to anything other than old dcum threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

Students claimed that many of the questions were from the actual test because they'd been building a question bank by debriefing students over several years.

This isn’t illegal, but many might see it as unethical because the students signed an NDA when they took the test. Some people just see it as working and studying hard.

Isn’t this exactly what every SAT prep class does?

So now, taking a prep-class for any standardized test is somehow “cheating?”

Seriously ?

The difference is signing an NDA and the fact that the makers of the QuantQ do not I tend for there to be prep materials for the test.

If you sign an NDA, take a test, and then tell other people all about questions on the test, are you doing something illegal? Or are you just doing something that you said you wouldn’t do, more like breaking a promise?

Does breaking a promise matter that much?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.

There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.

There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.

Oh. I get it now. The problem is that you're functionally illiterate. The TJ student paper was about cheating on midterms within TJ. Not at all germane to the discussion and not addressing Quant-Q cheating. Another few links were people saying that they were concerned that test prep writ large conferred an unfair advantage. Again, the link was not at all germane.

I'll give you a hint. You can't just post random links not about the topic at hand and claim them as proof.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.

There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.

Oh. I get it now. The problem is that you're functionally illiterate. The TJ student paper was about cheating on midterms within TJ. Not at all germane to the discussion and not addressing Quant-Q cheating. Another few links were people saying that they were concerned that test prep writ large conferred an unfair advantage. Again, the link was not at all germane.

I'll give you a hint. You can't just post random links not about the topic at hand and claim them as proof.

Cheating at TJ was rampant before the changes to the selection process.

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Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.

There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.

Oh. I get it now. The problem is that you're functionally illiterate. The TJ student paper was about cheating on midterms within TJ. Not at all germane to the discussion and not addressing Quant-Q cheating. Another few links were people saying that they were concerned that test prep writ large conferred an unfair advantage. Again, the link was not at all germane.

I'll give you a hint. You can't just post random links not about the topic at hand and claim them as proof.

Cheating at TJ was rampant before the changes to the selection process.

New poster here, define cheating. Somehow the word is thrown around and lost its meaning. Prep for a test using past year's questions is not cheating. That's called studying.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.

There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.

Oh. I get it now. The problem is that you're functionally illiterate. The TJ student paper was about cheating on midterms within TJ. Not at all germane to the discussion and not addressing Quant-Q cheating. Another few links were people saying that they were concerned that test prep writ large conferred an unfair advantage. Again, the link was not at all germane.

I'll give you a hint. You can't just post random links not about the topic at hand and claim them as proof.

Cheating at TJ was rampant before the changes to the selection process.

New poster here, define cheating. Somehow the word is thrown around and lost its meaning. Prep for a test using past year's questions is not cheating. That's called studying.

Not when test takers signed an NDA stating that they would not disclose questions from the test and the company that makes the test does not reveal questions to outsiders and markets the test as one that can’t be prepped.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.

Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.

TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?

Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.

You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.

Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).

All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.

You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.

You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.

You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.

People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.

I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.

“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”

Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.

If you want links there are links.

It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.

Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.

There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.

Oh. I get it now. The problem is that you're functionally illiterate. The TJ student paper was about cheating on midterms within TJ. Not at all germane to the discussion and not addressing Quant-Q cheating. Another few links were people saying that they were concerned that test prep writ large conferred an unfair advantage. Again, the link was not at all germane.

I'll give you a hint. You can't just post random links not about the topic at hand and claim them as proof.

Cheating at TJ was rampant before the changes to the selection process.

New poster here, define cheating. Somehow the word is thrown around and lost its meaning. Prep for a test using past year's questions is not cheating. That's called studying.

Not when test takers signed an NDA stating that they would not disclose questions from the test and the company that makes the test does not reveal questions to outsiders and markets the test as one that can’t be prepped.

The NDA I've seen are between quant-q and the school system using the test (client). The students never signed any NDA. prove me wrong.