Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Medical schools give a lot of extra tutoring to the black students admitted under the lower standards. The last thing they want is to have a high drop-out rate among blacks, so they have to work with them to get them through the program. Now the blacks who would have gotten in under the "white" standards anyway? They do fine. Just as good as the whites. As would be expected.

Maybe even better.

Sadly, the realities of AA cause reasonable people to question whether, eg, Black Joe deserved to get into Harvard as much as Asian Joe did. And the big loser is the black American who really was on par with Asian Joe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many more generations of racial preference for blacks, at the expense of white kids, do you liberals envision? We've already had two full cycles.

And don't say until racial parity is achieved. That can only happen if blacks adjust specific negative behavior, like the out-of-wedlock birthrate, that makes success more difficult to where it "matches" whites. Some things ARE within the control of black people, after all.

2 generations after CENTURIES of slavery and continued systematic racism (to this very day!) is a joke.

How about until systematic racism is gone?

Well, as long as we have "affirmative action" we will, by definition, have systemic racism.

This whole thread is two or three people saying over and over again that there is no discrimination against black people, so they should just stay in their place and let white boys have everything that their mothers think they are entitled to.

The problem is that white mommies of all political persuasions think THEIR sons are entitled to everything.

^ And their daughters too. I should have noted that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many more generations of racial preference for blacks, at the expense of white kids, do you liberals envision? We've already had two full cycles.

And don't say until racial parity is achieved. That can only happen if blacks adjust specific negative behavior, like the out-of-wedlock birthrate, that makes success more difficult to where it "matches" whites. Some things ARE within the control of black people, after all.

2 generations after CENTURIES of slavery and continued systematic racism (to this very day!) is a joke.

How about until systematic racism is gone?

Well, as long as we have "affirmative action" we will, by definition, have systemic racism.

This whole thread is two or three people saying over and over again that there is no discrimination against black people, so they should just stay in their place and let white boys have everything that their mothers think they are entitled to.

The problem is that white mommies of all political persuasions think THEIR sons are entitled to everything.

^ And their daughters too. I should have noted that.

Except the people who support AA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many more generations of racial preference for blacks, at the expense of white kids, do you liberals envision? We've already had two full cycles.

And don't say until racial parity is achieved. That can only happen if blacks adjust specific negative behavior, like the out-of-wedlock birthrate, that makes success more difficult to where it "matches" whites. Some things ARE within the control of black people, after all.

My white kids are doing great. If yours aren't, it is your fault.

And again, a liberal above personalizes everything. Why are you so selfish as to think that I am concerned by the inequity of AA only because it affects me personally? It does not. My daughter is a graduate of Johns Hopkins and is currently at an IVY, pursuing her grad degree. She is doing great, as well. (And why is it necessary to take a swipe at me as a mother, blaming me for the failure you envision my daughter is? It's not even true! Damn but you liberals can be nasty.)

My sympathy lies with the poor white kids, who have excelled academically despite financial hardships, only to lose out to black kids with worse school records - INCLUDING middle-class black kids and for no other reason than skin color. It's abhorrent that liberals have such disdain for poor whites.

Agreed.

The same folks who used to be anti-black now try to be so cool while being anti-white.

LIAR. The anti-black people are now GOP.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/25/417154906/dixies-long-journey-from-democratic-stronghold-to-republican-redoubt

What? It's progressives who think native-born black Americans are unable to compete or otherwise be held to the same standards as everyone else.

On average, URMs have fewer opportunities and resources to prepare for college, etc. They also face additional hurdles from systematic racism.

The GOP is anti-black and is actively looking for ways to hurt minorities. AA, housing policies, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many more generations of racial preference for blacks, at the expense of white kids, do you liberals envision? We've already had two full cycles.

And don't say until racial parity is achieved. That can only happen if blacks adjust specific negative behavior, like the out-of-wedlock birthrate, that makes success more difficult to where it "matches" whites. Some things ARE within the control of black people, after all.

2 generations after CENTURIES of slavery and continued systematic racism (to this very day!) is a joke.

How about until systematic racism is gone?

Well, as long as we have "affirmative action" we will, by definition, have systemic racism.

This whole thread is two or three people saying over and over again that there is no discrimination against black people, so they should just stay in their place and let white boys have everything that their mothers think they are entitled to.

EXACTLY.

They freaked the F out over BLM. God forbid someone stand up and say that black people are important too. Think about the poor, entitled Billys.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medical schools give a lot of extra tutoring to the black students admitted under the lower standards. The last thing they want is to have a high drop-out rate among blacks, so they have to work with them to get them through the program. Now the blacks who would have gotten in under the "white" standards anyway? They do fine. Just as good as the whites. As would be expected.

Maybe even better.

Sadly, the realities of AA cause reasonable people to question whether, eg, Black Joe deserved to get into Harvard as much as Asian Joe did. And the big loser is the black American who really was on par with Asian Joe.

Exactly.

And that's why the smartest black Americans often end up being Republican, and the ones who know they kicked someone out from college prefer to be "Democrat."

[Anonymous]

NOt a single poster has said that blacks should stay in their place. What's being said is that blacks, same as whites, should get preferential treatment only IF they have been disadvantaged by a lower-income background. The posters objecting, all liberals I assume, want to make sure ONLY blacks should be given an advantage in admissions, and lower-income whites (even those with excellent grades in school) should be satisfied with community college. Sounds like posters are telling the "white trash" (a phrase used by some liberal here) to stay in their place.

As the child of a poor white who excelled academically and was therefore given admittance to a tuition-free college (they still exist), I am thankful that race was not a factor in the admission decision but rather the combination of financial neediness and outstanding scholastic ability. That is how it should be. A system that gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades should be abolished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medical schools give a lot of extra tutoring to the black students admitted under the lower standards. The last thing they want is to have a high drop-out rate among blacks, so they have to work with them to get them through the program. Now the blacks who would have gotten in under the "white" standards anyway? They do fine. Just as good as the whites. As would be expected.

Maybe even better.

Sadly, the realities of AA cause reasonable people to question whether, eg, Black Joe deserved to get into Harvard as much as Asian Joe did. And the big loser is the black American who really was on par with Asian Joe.

There’s no question that the average Asian kid had significantly higher stats than the average black kid. That doesn’t mean that any given black kid could have higher stats than any given asian kid but the overall delta is clear and there are teams of data on the discrepancy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NOt a single poster has said that blacks should stay in their place. What's being said is that blacks, same as whites, should get preferential treatment only IF they have been disadvantaged by a lower-income background. The posters objecting, all liberals I assume, want to make sure ONLY blacks should be given an advantage in admissions, and lower-income whites (even those with excellent grades in school) should be satisfied with community college. Sounds like posters are telling the "white trash" (a phrase used by some liberal here) to stay in their place.

As the child of a poor white who excelled academically and was therefore given admittance to a tuition-free college (they still exist), I am thankful that race was not a factor in the admission decision but rather the combination of financial neediness and outstanding scholastic ability. That is how it should be. A system that gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades should be abolished.

Well said.

It is sad to see how many posters either don't get this or simply prefer to distract us to protect the unfair and racist status quo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NOt a single poster has said that blacks should stay in their place. What's being said is that blacks, same as whites, should get preferential treatment only IF they have been disadvantaged by a lower-income background. The posters objecting, all liberals I assume, want to make sure ONLY blacks should be given an advantage in admissions, and lower-income whites (even those with excellent grades in school) should be satisfied with community college. Sounds like posters are telling the "white trash" (a phrase used by some liberal here) to stay in their place.

As the child of a poor white who excelled academically and was therefore given admittance to a tuition-free college (they still exist), I am thankful that race was not a factor in the admission decision but rather the combination of financial neediness and outstanding scholastic ability. That is how it should be. A system that gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades should be abolished.

I have said countless times that it'd be good to open up AA to SES factors and not just race. But don't let that get in the way of your story.

And you are completely fabricating the demographics here: "gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades". Please give data to support this statement if you think otherwise. You can't because you are FULL.OF.SH1T.

Maybe your free school didn't teach you critical-thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many more generations of racial preference for blacks, at the expense of white kids, do you liberals envision? We've already had two full cycles.

And don't say until racial parity is achieved. That can only happen if blacks adjust specific negative behavior, like the out-of-wedlock birthrate, that makes success more difficult to where it "matches" whites. Some things ARE within the control of black people, after all.

2 generations after CENTURIES of slavery and continued systematic racism (to this very day!) is a joke.

How about until systematic racism is gone?

Well, as long as we have "affirmative action" we will, by definition, have systemic racism.

This whole thread is two or three people saying over and over again that there is no discrimination against black people, so they should just stay in their place and let white boys have everything that their mothers think they are entitled to.

The problem is that white mommies of all political persuasions think THEIR sons are entitled to everything.

^ And their daughters too. I should have noted that.

Except the people who support AA?

The white mommies will publicly claim to support it because there is simply too much of a social cost to saying otherwise. But most know what’s up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NOt a single poster has said that blacks should stay in their place. What's being said is that blacks, same as whites, should get preferential treatment only IF they have been disadvantaged by a lower-income background. The posters objecting, all liberals I assume, want to make sure ONLY blacks should be given an advantage in admissions, and lower-income whites (even those with excellent grades in school) should be satisfied with community college. Sounds like posters are telling the "white trash" (a phrase used by some liberal here) to stay in their place.

As the child of a poor white who excelled academically and was therefore given admittance to a tuition-free college (they still exist), I am thankful that race was not a factor in the admission decision but rather the combination of financial neediness and outstanding scholastic ability. That is how it should be. A system that gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades should be abolished.

I have said countless times that it'd be good to open up AA to SES factors and not just race. But don't let that get in the way of your story.

And you are completely fabricating the demographics here: "gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades". Please give data to support this statement if you think otherwise. You can't because you are FULL.OF.SH1T.

Maybe your free school didn't teach you critical-thinking skills.

DP here, and it's pretty obvious who is FULL OF SHIT.

You. (Had to make it explicit as you sound quite slow)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NOt a single poster has said that blacks should stay in their place. What's being said is that blacks, same as whites, should get preferential treatment only IF they have been disadvantaged by a lower-income background. The posters objecting, all liberals I assume, want to make sure ONLY blacks should be given an advantage in admissions, and lower-income whites (even those with excellent grades in school) should be satisfied with community college. Sounds like posters are telling the "white trash" (a phrase used by some liberal here) to stay in their place.

As the child of a poor white who excelled academically and was therefore given admittance to a tuition-free college (they still exist), I am thankful that race was not a factor in the admission decision but rather the combination of financial neediness and outstanding scholastic ability. That is how it should be. A system that gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades should be abolished.

I have said countless times that it'd be good to open up AA to SES factors and not just race. But don't let that get in the way of your story.

And you are completely fabricating the demographics here: "gives priority to middle-income blacks over lower-income whites with better grades". Please give data to support this statement if you think otherwise. You can't because you are FULL.OF.SH1T.

Maybe your free school didn't teach you critical-thinking skills.

DP here, and it's pretty obvious who is FULL OF SHIT.

You. (Had to make it explicit as you sound quite slow)

Ok. Please share the data that supports PP’s claim.

Or perhaps you are full of shit too?

[Anonymous]

new article with some data for y'all
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/10/magazine/college-admissions-paul-tough.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:new article with some data for y'all
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/10/magazine/college-admissions-paul-tough.html

Yes, this makes a great case for admissions to look at race + SES - which many elite schools already do.