Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Precisely. Funny that only now, when there's a real chance these immigrants could be living en masse in these cities, do liberals think it would be "punishment". So many examples of liberal hypocrisy, and this is one of the best. Nice work, liberals!

Hey morons. TRUMP THINKS IT IS A PUNISHMENT. That is the issue.

Yes, you have repeated this ad nauseum. But why would you care what Trump thinks? You hate the man. Instead, you should be rising to the occasion to prove to everyone how selfless and giving you are. Right?

Not that you really care since you just want to “stick it to the libs”, but I’ll say again...

I have an issue with his intentions. He intends to punish US citizens. He intends to “stick it to the libs”. It doesn’t matter if it’s a punishment or not. The POTUS is looking for ways to punish Dems because they disagreed with ICE funding. This is just one example of his vindictiveness.

His approval in NC is dropping. What if he withholds FEMA funding if they get another massive hurricane over that?

You probably wouldn’t have an issue with that but I would because I don’t think the POTUS should act like a vindictive, hateful a&$hole to any US citizens. But again that’s where we differ. You enjoy any chance to “stick it to the libs”. That is precisely why you put a vindictive, hateful a$$hole in the White House.

You obviously enjoy the phrase, “stick it to the libs” as you repeat it whenever you can. Rather than obsess over a stupid phrase, how about you acknowledge the utter hypocrisy in advocating for sanctuary cities and for “showing compassion” to illegal immigrants, but then being completely unwilling to consider a solution to where to put all of these “asylum seekers” who are currently being released into the country anyway?? What’s YOUR brilliant solution?

I've said it a few times...bring them to blue areas.

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His approval in NC is dropping. What if he withholds FEMA funding if they get another massive hurricane over that? Would you think that is OK?

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Anonymous wrote:This Carlson segment made me chuckle. Calling out the hypocrisy of the left LOVING immigrants...just not in their posh neighborhoods or in their kids exclusive public and private schools.

Is this why you think Dems aren't welcoming the immigrants? You watch some crappy RWNJ show? LOL. You're so gullible.

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Anonymous wrote:I almost don't want this thread to end however, yesterday afternoon a 3 judge panel in the Ninth District issued a temporary stay of a preliminary injunction issued by the Northern Circuit judge stopping the Trump Admin from forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico until their hearing.

See New York Times article, 4/12/19 for more details.

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Anonymous wrote:Democratic Mayors from around the country are publicly stating that if ICE wants to bring people to their cities, they are happy to take them.

Trump will not call this bluff.

Democrats would be creamed in the next election cycle if their schools were overwhelmed with these people.

But this is Trump's great idea. He gets the credit for helping these people.

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Anonymous wrote:This Carlson segment made me chuckle. Calling out the hypocrisy of the left LOVING immigrants...just not in their posh neighborhoods or in their kids exclusive public and private schools.

Is this why you think Dems aren't welcoming the immigrants? You watch some crappy RWNJ show? LOL. You're so gullible.

Did you hit your head? Get well soon.

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Anonymous wrote:This is about using human beings to “retaliate” and as “political retribution” to send a message to Democrats. Using the lives of other as cannon fire to teach a lesson to dear leader’s political enemies. Not to fix a situation, but to be purely spiteful with people.

Aren't sanctuary cities where they are SUPPOSED to be? Mont. Co. is one, according to the link upthread. How is it retaliatory to send newcomers to areas DESIGNED to attract them?

Exactly. Liberals are hypocrites.

That wasn't WHY they were designated sanctuary cities, but go ahead and send them. That will surely encourage another huge wave of refugees.

Ok - now we're trying to wordsmith.

Sanctuary cities are INDEED much more hospitable to newcomers. That's a FACT! The availability of resources necessary to provide a comfortable solution for these people is the reason why people come. an added benefit? the ability to track newcomers in case there's another Rockville HS rape incident . . .

EVENTUALLY, MOST will report to friendly areas, which translates into sanctuary cities.

So you can dance around the definition all you want, but liberals created the rules and now you have to learn to live with them.

And I do question what I added in bold. I may be stupid to make an ASSumption, but I'll do it anyway. Is that "threat" one that comes from fear? It appears as though you DON'T want to invite more of "them" in. Am I correct?

It's not a threat. Just a likely outcome.

Would you consider it a threat? Intentions don't matter, so I'm told. So it's really just how you'd interpret it, right?

lol

It's NOT a FUTURE outcome. It's already in place. That's what you don't seem to get.

You don't think that even LARGER groups of refugees will come if they know that Trump is welcoming them into the country?

Spring and Fall caravans have been growing in size and frequency over the course of many, many years. These groups aren't coming because Trump wants to build a wall, they are coming because they know they are able to get services and a world class education from the moment they make it across the border. Widening 270, building new schools, building the purple line are all necessary to accommodate the explosion in economic and population growth unless someone picks up the can instead of kicking it until the next Election Day, then the next, and the next.

Trump picked up that can. Unyielding Democrats are tossing it back on the ground to kick it through the next election. Democrats, you want it, you got it. You own the can.

Once we reach the tipping point, we'll have no choice but to go to a VAT.

They are coming for the jobs. That is why the GOP (business owners) doesn't REALLY want to cut down on undocumented workers. Who do you think is hiring these people?

And it's funny - up until recently we were at historically low border apprehensions.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump just wants to fill train cars with what he obviously considers to be human trash.

Anyone remember how that went last time someone did it?

Train cars that go to sanctuary cities? Are the liberals there setting up concentration camp?

Why would these sanctuary cities represent themselves as sanctuary but really be planning on extermination?

Explain.

Not PP, but carting bodies around the country for political "punishment" (as it was clearly intended) is disgusting.

and AGAIN . . .

1. They are already IN sanctuary cities, as this has been happening now for ages.
2. This is only viewed as a punishment BY liberals, which is confusing to me as a moderate.

How is sending folks to areas that have been welcoming them for ages a punishment?

Good question -- why does Trump think that it's a punishment?

Waiting on an answer to this question: Why does Trump think this is a punishment?

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Anonymous wrote:This is about using human beings to “retaliate” and as “political retribution” to send a message to Democrats. Using the lives of other as cannon fire to teach a lesson to dear leader’s political enemies. Not to fix a situation, but to be purely spiteful with people.

Aren't sanctuary cities where they are SUPPOSED to be? Mont. Co. is one, according to the link upthread. How is it retaliatory to send newcomers to areas DESIGNED to attract them?

Exactly. Liberals are hypocrites.

That wasn't WHY they were designated sanctuary cities, but go ahead and send them. That will surely encourage another huge wave of refugees.

Ok - now we're trying to wordsmith.

Sanctuary cities are INDEED much more hospitable to newcomers. That's a FACT! The availability of resources necessary to provide a comfortable solution for these people is the reason why people come. an added benefit? the ability to track newcomers in case there's another Rockville HS rape incident . . .

EVENTUALLY, MOST will report to friendly areas, which translates into sanctuary cities.

So you can dance around the definition all you want, but liberals created the rules and now you have to learn to live with them.

And I do question what I added in bold. I may be stupid to make an ASSumption, but I'll do it anyway. Is that "threat" one that comes from fear? It appears as though you DON'T want to invite more of "them" in. Am I correct?

It's not a threat. Just a likely outcome.

Would you consider it a threat? Intentions don't matter, so I'm told. So it's really just how you'd interpret it, right?

lol

It's NOT a FUTURE outcome. It's already in place. That's what you don't seem to get.

So then would you consider that a threat?

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Anonymous wrote:The President is giving you exactly what you said you welcomed. Remember the signs, the sermons we heard, the taxes we pay, the donations we make, the languages we learned, and hours of volunteering we give? Yeah - he's giving us exactly what we encouraged and support. This community can handle the needs far better than most.

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Don't forget the marches... these immigrants will have the red carpet rolled out for them! I actually think it's a very intriguing idea. Funny how liberals pay lip service to all their "good deed" and virtue signal whenever humanly possible. But when a real opportunity arrives to take in these immigrants, all of a sudden it's "punishment". Too funny.

TRUMP thinks it’s a punishment. Are you really that dense?

Who cares? YOU don't think it's a punishment, right? Or do you? Which is it?

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It becomes an attack on Trump when he stated the obvious. While ICE isn't going to OFFICIALLY ship newcomers to sanctuary cities, that's where they're headed. Mo Co, for example, is growing in diversity.

Here are some stats:

The population of Montgomery County, MD is 44.5% White, 19.1% Hispanic, and 17.8% Black. 41% of the people in Montgomery County, MD speak a non-English language, and 84.8% are U.S. citizens.

Astute folks notice it in the schools first. Here is a demographic chart of the MCPS schools - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/annualreport/2017/
Hispanics make up the largest group. Now, you'd need to examine the numbers more closely to see who's in ESOL classes, for example, in order to analyze funding and growth. And those numbers will change from level to level, as there may be more allocated for ES than for HS, for example, depending upon shifts in the population. But we do know that the group is growing, which makes it attractive for those seeking refuge in similar communities.



So while "Trump thinks it's a punishment," as you so eloquently stated, do YOU think it's a punishment, too? That's the question that's been asked again and again on these threads.

The growth is there, folks. Liberal (and mainly coastal) cities will attract newcomers for many reasons. So how is Trump's "punishment" any different from what's ALREADY BEEN in place for YEARS?

I have an issue with his intentions. He intends to punish US citizens. He intends to “stick it to the libs”. It doesn’t matter if it’s actually a punishment or not. The POTUS is looking for ways to punish Dems because they disagreed with ICE funding. This is just one example of his vindictiveness.

His approval in NC is dropping. What if he withholds FEMA funding if they get another massive hurricane over that?

You probably wouldn’t have an issue with that but I would because I don’t think the POTUS should act like a vindictive, hateful a&$hole to any US citizens. But again that’s where we differ. You enjoy any chance to “stick it to the libs”. That is precisely why you put a vindictive, hateful a$$hole in the White House.

Iol

I taught in MCPS for over half of my life. Trump's words have really just brought to light what was ALREADY in place regarding changing demographics and funding. What's vindictive about the truth? Sanctuary cities provide resources for struggling folks, and they can monitor them for criminal behavior.

MCPS didn't view the additional newcomers as "punishment" - at least not when I was around. It did all it could to ensure that ESOL was fully funded. You should know that many who arrive are illiterate. So it's like starting at ground zero - similar instruction to what a preschooler would receive. (We're talking high school here . . . ) Certainly there's a budget for ESOL, but school allocations come in a pot, and it's not unheard of to shuffle funding around if the need is there.

And I didn't put Trump in office. lol - But keep making ASSumptions w/o providing any data. At least I can find credible information for posting. You're just angry and resentful for whatever reason.

Try working in challenging schools first. Then let's see you post something "insightful."

You've been teaching for over half of your life, and you think that qualifies you to spew lies about sanctuary cities? Did you also lie to your students?

Wow. Just wow.

Where's the lie?

You know where the lie is. Don't act coy, that's just another form of dishonesty.

no i dont please point it out.

I am the original teacher who posted the chart. I stand by my post.

?If you're going to call me a liar then point out my lies. There is enough evidence I've provided for your counterclaims. That's how one argues, by the way.

But of course, as another PP said, I'm apparently a crappy teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:The President is giving you exactly what you said you welcomed. Remember the signs, the sermons we heard, the taxes we pay, the donations we make, the languages we learned, and hours of volunteering we give? Yeah - he's giving us exactly what we encouraged and support. This community can handle the needs far better than most.

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Don't forget the marches... these immigrants will have the red carpet rolled out for them! I actually think it's a very intriguing idea. Funny how liberals pay lip service to all their "good deed" and virtue signal whenever humanly possible. But when a real opportunity arrives to take in these immigrants, all of a sudden it's "punishment". Too funny.

TRUMP thinks it’s a punishment. Are you really that dense?

Who cares? YOU don't think it's a punishment, right? Or do you? Which is it?

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It becomes an attack on Trump when he stated the obvious. While ICE isn't going to OFFICIALLY ship newcomers to sanctuary cities, that's where they're headed. Mo Co, for example, is growing in diversity.

Here are some stats:

The population of Montgomery County, MD is 44.5% White, 19.1% Hispanic, and 17.8% Black. 41% of the people in Montgomery County, MD speak a non-English language, and 84.8% are U.S. citizens.

Astute folks notice it in the schools first. Here is a demographic chart of the MCPS schools - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/annualreport/2017/
Hispanics make up the largest group. Now, you'd need to examine the numbers more closely to see who's in ESOL classes, for example, in order to analyze funding and growth. And those numbers will change from level to level, as there may be more allocated for ES than for HS, for example, depending upon shifts in the population. But we do know that the group is growing, which makes it attractive for those seeking refuge in similar communities.



So while "Trump thinks it's a punishment," as you so eloquently stated, do YOU think it's a punishment, too? That's the question that's been asked again and again on these threads.

The growth is there, folks. Liberal (and mainly coastal) cities will attract newcomers for many reasons. So how is Trump's "punishment" any different from what's ALREADY BEEN in place for YEARS?

I have an issue with his intentions. He intends to punish US citizens. He intends to “stick it to the libs”. It doesn’t matter if it’s actually a punishment or not. The POTUS is looking for ways to punish Dems because they disagreed with ICE funding. This is just one example of his vindictiveness.

His approval in NC is dropping. What if he withholds FEMA funding if they get another massive hurricane over that?

You probably wouldn’t have an issue with that but I would because I don’t think the POTUS should act like a vindictive, hateful a&$hole to any US citizens. But again that’s where we differ. You enjoy any chance to “stick it to the libs”. That is precisely why you put a vindictive, hateful a$$hole in the White House.

Iol

I taught in MCPS for over half of my life. Trump's words have really just brought to light what was ALREADY in place regarding changing demographics and funding. What's vindictive about the truth? Sanctuary cities provide resources for struggling folks, and they can monitor them for criminal behavior.

MCPS didn't view the additional newcomers as "punishment" - at least not when I was around. It did all it could to ensure that ESOL was fully funded. You should know that many who arrive are illiterate. So it's like starting at ground zero - similar instruction to what a preschooler would receive. (We're talking high school here . . . ) Certainly there's a budget for ESOL, but school allocations come in a pot, and it's not unheard of to shuffle funding around if the need is there.

And I didn't put Trump in office. lol - But keep making ASSumptions w/o providing any data. At least I can find credible information for posting. You're just angry and resentful for whatever reason.

Try working in challenging schools first. Then let's see you post something "insightful."

You've been teaching for over half of your life, and you think that qualifies you to spew lies about sanctuary cities? Did you also lie to your students?

Wow. Just wow.

Where's the lie?

You know where the lie is. Don't act coy, that's just another form of dishonesty.

no i dont please point it out.

I am the original teacher who posted the chart. I stand by my post.

?If you're going to call me a liar then point out my lies. There is enough evidence I've provided for your counterclaims. That's how one argues, by the way.

But of course, as another PP said, I'm apparently a crappy teacher.

Hey Teacher! Thank you for the info and for dedicating your life to kids' education and their futures. The liberal posters here run on emotions, don't confuse them with actual facts and logic. They just don't have the mental capacity. It's a waste of time.

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People calling this "punishment" are perhaps not familiar with the fact the immigrants waiting for their hearing were first bused from border towns in 2016 to Phoenix, AZ. #FactsMatter

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Anonymous wrote:The President is giving you exactly what you said you welcomed. Remember the signs, the sermons we heard, the taxes we pay, the donations we make, the languages we learned, and hours of volunteering we give? Yeah - he's giving us exactly what we encouraged and support. This community can handle the needs far better than most.

+1,000
Don't forget the marches... these immigrants will have the red carpet rolled out for them! I actually think it's a very intriguing idea. Funny how liberals pay lip service to all their "good deed" and virtue signal whenever humanly possible. But when a real opportunity arrives to take in these immigrants, all of a sudden it's "punishment". Too funny.

TRUMP thinks it’s a punishment. Are you really that dense?

Who cares? YOU don't think it's a punishment, right? Or do you? Which is it?

this

It becomes an attack on Trump when he stated the obvious. While ICE isn't going to OFFICIALLY ship newcomers to sanctuary cities, that's where they're headed. Mo Co, for example, is growing in diversity.

Here are some stats:

The population of Montgomery County, MD is 44.5% White, 19.1% Hispanic, and 17.8% Black. 41% of the people in Montgomery County, MD speak a non-English language, and 84.8% are U.S. citizens.

Astute folks notice it in the schools first. Here is a demographic chart of the MCPS schools - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/annualreport/2017/
Hispanics make up the largest group. Now, you'd need to examine the numbers more closely to see who's in ESOL classes, for example, in order to analyze funding and growth. And those numbers will change from level to level, as there may be more allocated for ES than for HS, for example, depending upon shifts in the population. But we do know that the group is growing, which makes it attractive for those seeking refuge in similar communities.



So while "Trump thinks it's a punishment," as you so eloquently stated, do YOU think it's a punishment, too? That's the question that's been asked again and again on these threads.

The growth is there, folks. Liberal (and mainly coastal) cities will attract newcomers for many reasons. So how is Trump's "punishment" any different from what's ALREADY BEEN in place for YEARS?

I have an issue with his intentions. He intends to punish US citizens. He intends to “stick it to the libs”. It doesn’t matter if it’s actually a punishment or not. The POTUS is looking for ways to punish Dems because they disagreed with ICE funding. This is just one example of his vindictiveness.

His approval in NC is dropping. What if he withholds FEMA funding if they get another massive hurricane over that?

You probably wouldn’t have an issue with that but I would because I don’t think the POTUS should act like a vindictive, hateful a&$hole to any US citizens. But again that’s where we differ. You enjoy any chance to “stick it to the libs”. That is precisely why you put a vindictive, hateful a$$hole in the White House.

Iol

I taught in MCPS for over half of my life. Trump's words have really just brought to light what was ALREADY in place regarding changing demographics and funding. What's vindictive about the truth? Sanctuary cities provide resources for struggling folks, and they can monitor them for criminal behavior.

MCPS didn't view the additional newcomers as "punishment" - at least not when I was around. It did all it could to ensure that ESOL was fully funded. You should know that many who arrive are illiterate. So it's like starting at ground zero - similar instruction to what a preschooler would receive. (We're talking high school here . . . ) Certainly there's a budget for ESOL, but school allocations come in a pot, and it's not unheard of to shuffle funding around if the need is there.

And I didn't put Trump in office. lol - But keep making ASSumptions w/o providing any data. At least I can find credible information for posting. You're just angry and resentful for whatever reason.

Try working in challenging schools first. Then let's see you post something "insightful."

You've been teaching for over half of your life, and you think that qualifies you to spew lies about sanctuary cities? Did you also lie to your students?

Wow. Just wow.

Where's the lie?

You know where the lie is. Don't act coy, that's just another form of dishonesty.

no i dont please point it out.

I am the original teacher who posted the chart. I stand by my post.

?If you're going to call me a liar then point out my lies. There is enough evidence I've provided for your counterclaims. That's how one argues, by the way.

But of course, as another PP said, I'm apparently a crappy teacher.

It was specifically pointed out that you were lying about sanctuary cities. And you know that.

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Anonymous wrote:Democratic Mayors from around the country are publicly stating that if ICE wants to bring people to their cities, they are happy to take them.

Trump will not call this bluff.

Democrats would be creamed in the next election cycle if their schools were overwhelmed with these people.

But this is Trump's great idea. He gets the credit for helping these people.

Why isn't he pushing this great idea? Let's do it!

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

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A poem on the statue of liberty is not law. Yawn. Using that line to discuss immigration law is tired

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Anonymous wrote:A poem on the statue of liberty is not law. Yawn. Using that line to discuss immigration law is tired

It's not law, it's inspiration.

Thank you, Trump, for supporting these people. Let's get them the support they need and on the path to citizenship.

He might even inspire more families to take the dangerous journey to find safety and stability.