FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leaving Oakton and Chantilly over capacity with 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes is appalling.

Aren't they building tons of housing near Westfield and South Lakes?

Yes, they are.

And the people complaining about losing kids from SLHS are probably more annoyed that the families/communities that they hand picked to move to SLHS are not all that interested in staying at SLHS. Most people don’t want IB. It is a fine program but I prefer AP because it allows my kid the flexibility to study what he wants instead of the highly structured IB program. Families were asking for AP when they were move to SLHS 20 years ago, is it any surprise that many people want to leave for AP?

The community wasn’t happy when they were moved. I know many families who moved between MS and HS because they did not want IB and they did not want to pupil place and drive themselves. Over a hundred kids a year pupil place out.

Maybe SLHS needs to realize that IB is a niche program that the other counties around us make opt in, they don’t force kids into it. The diploma is a lot of work but few kids at SLHS earn it, the career certificate is an attempt to make the program look more successful than it is. If the school was AP you wouldn’t have people wanting to move.

It’s not the kids or the community or the school. It’s IB.

+1 Except that I would change your statement here:

" Families were asking for AP when they were move to SLHS 20 years ago, is it any surprise that many people want to leave for AP? "

They weren't "asking," they were "begging."
If the videos of citizen participation are still available from the 2008 boundary study, people should look at them--especially School Board members.

[Anonymous]

We’ve seen this movie in FCPS before. Westfield is getting the message it’s been selected as the next Annandale or Lewis, two schools fundamentally reshaped by boundary changes. People will claim the future enrollment will be large enough to sustain courses and activities, and they’ll under-estimate how quickly the enrollment will drop and the FARMS rate will spike. The only difference is that it will happen in a newer, larger building designed for more kids.

What’s the line about how the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? It is FCPS’s specialty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen this movie in FCPS before. Westfield is getting the message it’s been selected as the next Annandale or Lewis, two schools fundamentally reshaped by boundary changes. People will claim the future enrollment will be large enough to sustain courses and activities, and they’ll under-estimate how quickly the enrollment will drop and the FARMS rate will spike. The only difference is that it will happen in a newer, larger building designed for more kids.

What’s the line about how the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? It is FCPS’s specialty.

It will be large enough, but the selections from Chantilly and Centreville are troubling. Hands down that Walney Oaks should be going to Westfield. Chantilly Mews? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The families zoned to South Lakes have no say in it being IB.

They do, they can continue to complain about it and ask for AP but they don’t. There are people who like IB for the program, there are others who like that the classes are smaller because fewer kids want to take them.

The people who pupil place out every year at SLHS are voting with their feet. Their departure is ignored because there are enough kids from Herndon who pupil place at SLHS to get out of Herndon to hide the fact that over 100 kids a year pupil place out of SLHS. Lewis has far more, all the IB schools have a large number of kids pupil place out. I honestly think that the County keeps it so it is easier for families to leave IB schools for AP schools given that most of the IB schools are at the middle of the pack or at the lower end of the test score list.

One would think that the school board would look at the numbers and how other counties handle IB and make some changes but they don’t. So don’t blame families who have been asking for years and were people have been pupil placing out for taking advantage of a school that is 1) closer 2) attended by their MS peers 3) has AP.

It isn’t the community or the school itself, it is other things.

[Anonymous]

Chantilly Lace Ct (slated to go to Westfield) is 1.4 miles from Chantilly and 3.5 miles to Westfield.
Walney Oaks is 2.7 miles from Westfield and 2.7 miles to Westfield.

One neighborhood is affluent. The neighborhood directly across Walney Rd from them is moving to Westfield.
One neighborhood is not affluent. It is much closer to Chantilly and kids can walk from after school activities.

Which one makes the most sense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly Lace Ct (slated to go to Westfield) is 1.4 miles from Chantilly and 3.5 miles to Westfield.
Walney Oaks is 2.7 miles from Westfield and 2.7 miles to Westfield.

One neighborhood is affluent. The neighborhood directly across Walney Rd from them is moving to Westfield.
One neighborhood is not affluent. It is much closer to Chantilly and kids can walk from after school activities.

Which one makes the most sense?

Did you mean to say Walney Oaks is 2.7 miles from Chantilly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen this movie in FCPS before. Westfield is getting the message it’s been selected as the next Annandale or Lewis, two schools fundamentally reshaped by boundary changes. People will claim the future enrollment will be large enough to sustain courses and activities, and they’ll under-estimate how quickly the enrollment will drop and the FARMS rate will spike. The only difference is that it will happen in a newer, larger building designed for more kids.

What’s the line about how the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? It is FCPS’s specialty.

+1. FCPS is indeed malnourishing the golden goose, one school at a time. PVI and other nearby private schools will be laughing all the way to the bank. Seema Dixit will hopefully not be laughing when she's up for reelection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly Lace Ct (slated to go to Westfield) is 1.4 miles from Chantilly and 3.5 miles to Westfield.
Walney Oaks is 2.7 miles from Westfield and 2.7 miles to Westfield.

One neighborhood is affluent. The neighborhood directly across Walney Rd from them is moving to Westfield.
One neighborhood is not affluent. It is much closer to Chantilly and kids can walk from after school activities.

Which one makes the most sense?

Did you mean to say Walney Oaks is 2.7 miles from Chantilly?

Intersection of Eagle Chase Rd and Walney: 2.1 to Chantilly; 2.6 to Westfield. .5 miles farther to Westfield
Chantilly Lace Court: 1.4 to Chantilly; 3.5 to Westfield 2.1 miles farther and lots longer in time.

[Anonymous]

But why should Walney Oaks be pulled out of Chantilly and sent to Westfield?

Shouldn’t we be then pulling Crossfield out of Oakton to go to Skyview?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly Lace Ct (slated to go to Westfield) is 1.4 miles from Chantilly and 3.5 miles to Westfield.
Walney Oaks is 2.7 miles from Westfield and 2.7 miles to Westfield.

One neighborhood is affluent. The neighborhood directly across Walney Rd from them is moving to Westfield.
One neighborhood is not affluent. It is much closer to Chantilly and kids can walk from after school activities.

Which one makes the most sense?

Did you mean to say Walney Oaks is 2.7 miles from Chantilly?

Intersection of Eagle Chase Rd and Walney: 2.1 to Chantilly; 2.6 to Westfield. .5 miles farther to Westfield
Chantilly Lace Court: 1.4 to Chantilly; 3.5 to Westfield 2.1 miles farther and lots longer in time.

I understand the point you’re trying to make here but you should look at the SPAs as well. Show what combination of SPAs you think should move to Westfield instead and find out what the numbers would look like under that scenario.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what Crossfield?

Just stay at Oakton.

Skyview doesn’t need you if you’re going to complain like Karen’s all because Skyview doesn’t have a shiny football stadium.

This whole thing has been so tense and poorly planned.

What part of modify the building and add athletic fields before conducting yet another boundary study does FCPS not understand?

Like literally.

And you people have made it worse that now the Western part of Franklin farm could be split up and you’re elementary school can be cut up too.

Also, why does modified scenario 2 include a part of Dogwood nobody asked for.

The elementary schools that should be at Skyview are.

Coates

Floris

Fox Mill

McNair

Oak Hill

And the proposed Silver Line ES that may or may not be needed depending on all of these developments happening near Coates and the yields of students near the proposed site.

But Crossfield, you’ve made it clear, so buzz all the way off!

I don't know what's wrong with you, but it's stupid to blame an entire school for a vocal subset of the community at that school.

There are plenty at Crossfield who are happy to go to Skyview! We just want to go as a group and not split between 4 schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But why should Walney Oaks be pulled out of Chantilly and sent to Westfield?

Shouldn’t we be then pulling Crossfield out of Oakton to go to Skyview?

Both are the result of lobbying by louder voices.

However, I don't think both Fox Mill and Crossfield would fit into Skyview. Objectively, it should be Crossfield. This is Dixit's call and Crossfield is mostly in Sully. Fox Mill parents seem to really want to go to Skyview, Distance is pretty much the same, but Oakton could use relief.

But, I sympathize with Fox Mill because of the IB issue.

FCPS should eliminate it in all schools unless they decide to create a niche program in one school.

Hey! There's an idea: keep AP at Westfield but create an IB academy there.

If Reid had used objective standards for backfilling Westfield, it would be fine. Proximity should have been the driver. FARMS would be consistent with other area schools. Take the schools that are close to equidistant and send them to
Westfield.

Common sense is lacking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Floris? They would have to pass McNair to get to Floris. It's definitely closest to Dogwood.

Polo Fields is closer to McNair, but also adjacent to Floris. Were it in Floris, they'd probably send the buses up Monroe.

I don’t think it’s necessary to move Polo Fields families to Skyview. South Lakes will be losing Floris and Fox Mill kids anyway.

Why create a new split feeder and further empty out South Lakes?