“Amy Bradley is Missing” Netflix

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Anonymous wrote:"4. Her parents after she is missing only an hour want her to be paged and the boat not to dock? Why? Cruiseships are massive. There are several places to grab coffee or to walk around to see the sun rise. She is 23 and they have no problem with her staying out until 3 am, but she is missing one hour from 6-7 and they want all hands on deck searching for her? Why were they so insistent about the boat not docking? And if they were so insistent why didn't they have one member of the family stationed on the dock watching people?"

This is the point that always bothered me. If he just saw her at 5:30, why was he so concerned just an hour later that he was begging the crew to delay disembarkation? I guess I would have assumed that she left the room for a myriad of reasons--dozing on a deck chair rather than share a tiny foldaway sofa with her brother, needed to be sick and was looking for a public bathroom, just out to enjoy the sunrise, meeting a new "friend" (male or female), eating breakfast, etc. I'm a helicopter mom and I don't think I would have even stirred out of bed, much less jumped up to conduct a full-scale search and report her missing.
Not sure what it means though, unless there was some sort of conversation or action before she went missing that had him concerned.

I don’t know if I would have been as sure that there was something wrong after that short a time as they were, but they had checked everywhere they thought she would be and her mom said if she was going to be gone longer that she would have left a note.

This right here is what made me suspicious of the family. One of the three of them had a hand in her disappearance or knows more that they let on. The way they reacted that morning, after not being bothered that she was out until the wee hours of the morning is suspicious. The full search and asking to not dock would make sense for a very young child missing, but not for 23-year-old woman, especially if they had no knowledge of foul play. Fishy

I think she said something alarming and they knew she was suicidal. People saying well, she must have been trafficked because no body was found. A human jaw bone of a Caucasian was found washed up on Aruba (the cruise was on route to Curacao from Aruba) in the fall of 2010. They tested it to see if it was from Natalie Halloway but never tested it to see if it was Amy Bradley's despite media speculation it could be her jawbone.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

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Also adding based on data from the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) approximately 19 to 25 people fall or jump off cruise ships each year, and approximately 28% are rescued.

In a 2020 study, a professor examined more than 620 cruise deaths from 2000 through the end of 2019. He found that overboard incidents — falling, jumping or being thrown — were the leading cause of death among passengers and crew members, accounting for 23 percent of all deaths.

“It’s a lot more common than people think,” said the professor, Travis Heggie, who tracks tourist deaths around the world at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. 60% of the deaths alcohol was involved.

So statistically it is way more likely she fell or jumped than she was trafficked. There were numerous sightings of Natalie Halloway as well. Sightings without photographic evidence isn't really reliable.

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Anonymous wrote:Also adding based on data from the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) approximately 19 to 25 people fall or jump off cruise ships each year, and approximately 28% are rescued.

In a 2020 study, a professor examined more than 620 cruise deaths from 2000 through the end of 2019. He found that overboard incidents — falling, jumping or being thrown — were the leading cause of death among passengers and crew members, accounting for 23 percent of all deaths.

“It’s a lot more common than people think,” said the professor, Travis Heggie, who tracks tourist deaths around the world at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. 60% of the deaths alcohol was involved.

So statistically it is way more likely she fell or jumped than she was trafficked. There were numerous sightings of Natalie Halloway as well. Sightings without photographic evidence isn't really reliable.

True, but those sightings didn't ID specific tattoos and watches either.

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Anonymous wrote:Also adding based on data from the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) approximately 19 to 25 people fall or jump off cruise ships each year, and approximately 28% are rescued.

In a 2020 study, a professor examined more than 620 cruise deaths from 2000 through the end of 2019. He found that overboard incidents — falling, jumping or being thrown — were the leading cause of death among passengers and crew members, accounting for 23 percent of all deaths.

“It’s a lot more common than people think,” said the professor, Travis Heggie, who tracks tourist deaths around the world at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. 60% of the deaths alcohol was involved.

So statistically it is way more likely she fell or jumped than she was trafficked. There were numerous sightings of Natalie Halloway as well. Sightings without photographic evidence isn't really reliable.

This. 100% (or rather, 60% likely)

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I do think she was attractive and vivacious.

I agree, but that's not all that uncommon among women of her age group. She was attractive and vivacious but that doesn't mean that men were necessarily all over her when she was on a cruise with her family or seeking to traffic her.

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I do think she was attractive and vivacious.

I agree, but that's not all that uncommon among women of her age group. She was attractive and vivacious but that doesn't mean that men were necessarily all over her when she was on a cruise with her family or seeking to traffic her.

I think she got attention because she was one of very few younger women. She wasn't a teen child on a trip with parents and she wasn't parents and she wasn't aged. She was that in-between generation who don't usually go on cruise ships.

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I do think she was attractive and vivacious.

I agree, but that's not all that uncommon among women of her age group. She was attractive and vivacious but that doesn't mean that men were necessarily all over her when she was on a cruise with her family or seeking to traffic her.

I think she got attention because she was one of very few younger women. She wasn't a teen child on a trip with parents and she wasn't parents and she wasn't aged. She was that in-between generation who don't usually go on cruise ships.

+ 1. I don't think she was trafficked but I also don't find it hard to believe she got a ton of attention from men on the ship. Young women aren't the typical cruise ship demographic - it's mostly families with kids or older adults. I went on a cruise with my family for my parents' 25th wedding anniversary. My sister and I (21 and 23) also got a ton of attention and while we were both fit and attractive, we weren't movie star or model gorgeous.

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Anonymous wrote:"4. Her parents after she is missing only an hour want her to be paged and the boat not to dock? Why? Cruiseships are massive. There are several places to grab coffee or to walk around to see the sun rise. She is 23 and they have no problem with her staying out until 3 am, but she is missing one hour from 6-7 and they want all hands on deck searching for her? Why were they so insistent about the boat not docking? And if they were so insistent why didn't they have one member of the family stationed on the dock watching people?"

This is the point that always bothered me. If he just saw her at 5:30, why was he so concerned just an hour later that he was begging the crew to delay disembarkation? I guess I would have assumed that she left the room for a myriad of reasons--dozing on a deck chair rather than share a tiny foldaway sofa with her brother, needed to be sick and was looking for a public bathroom, just out to enjoy the sunrise, meeting a new "friend" (male or female), eating breakfast, etc. I'm a helicopter mom and I don't think I would have even stirred out of bed, much less jumped up to conduct a full-scale search and report her missing.
Not sure what it means though, unless there was some sort of conversation or action before she went missing that had him concerned.

I don’t know if I would have been as sure that there was something wrong after that short a time as they were, but they had checked everywhere they thought she would be and her mom said if she was going to be gone longer that she would have left a note.

This right here is what made me suspicious of the family. One of the three of them had a hand in her disappearance or knows more that they let on. The way they reacted that morning, after not being bothered that she was out until the wee hours of the morning is suspicious. The full search and asking to not dock would make sense for a very young child missing, but not for 23-year-old woman, especially if they had no knowledge of foul play. Fishy

I think she said something alarming and they knew she was suicidal. People saying well, she must have been trafficked because no body was found. A human jaw bone of a Caucasian was found washed up on Aruba (the cruise was on route to Curacao from Aruba) in the fall of 2010. They tested it to see if it was from Natalie Halloway but never tested it to see if it was Amy Bradley's despite media speculation it could be her jawbone.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

It'd be nice to test it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"4. Her parents after she is missing only an hour want her to be paged and the boat not to dock? Why? Cruiseships are massive. There are several places to grab coffee or to walk around to see the sun rise. She is 23 and they have no problem with her staying out until 3 am, but she is missing one hour from 6-7 and they want all hands on deck searching for her? Why were they so insistent about the boat not docking? And if they were so insistent why didn't they have one member of the family stationed on the dock watching people?"

This is the point that always bothered me. If he just saw her at 5:30, why was he so concerned just an hour later that he was begging the crew to delay disembarkation? I guess I would have assumed that she left the room for a myriad of reasons--dozing on a deck chair rather than share a tiny foldaway sofa with her brother, needed to be sick and was looking for a public bathroom, just out to enjoy the sunrise, meeting a new "friend" (male or female), eating breakfast, etc. I'm a helicopter mom and I don't think I would have even stirred out of bed, much less jumped up to conduct a full-scale search and report her missing.
Not sure what it means though, unless there was some sort of conversation or action before she went missing that had him concerned.

I don’t know if I would have been as sure that there was something wrong after that short a time as they were, but they had checked everywhere they thought she would be and her mom said if she was going to be gone longer that she would have left a note.

This right here is what made me suspicious of the family. One of the three of them had a hand in her disappearance or knows more that they let on. The way they reacted that morning, after not being bothered that she was out until the wee hours of the morning is suspicious. The full search and asking to not dock would make sense for a very young child missing, but not for 23-year-old woman, especially if they had no knowledge of foul play. Fishy

I think she said something alarming and they knew she was suicidal. People saying well, she must have been trafficked because no body was found. A human jaw bone of a Caucasian was found washed up on Aruba (the cruise was on route to Curacao from Aruba) in the fall of 2010. They tested it to see if it was from Natalie Halloway but never tested it to see if it was Amy Bradley's despite media speculation it could be her jawbone.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

It'd be nice to test it

I read somewhere it was compared to her dental records, but who knows if this was accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:Also adding based on data from the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) approximately 19 to 25 people fall or jump off cruise ships each year, and approximately 28% are rescued.

In a 2020 study, a professor examined more than 620 cruise deaths from 2000 through the end of 2019. He found that overboard incidents — falling, jumping or being thrown — were the leading cause of death among passengers and crew members, accounting for 23 percent of all deaths.

“It’s a lot more common than people think,” said the professor, Travis Heggie, who tracks tourist deaths around the world at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. 60% of the deaths alcohol was involved.

So statistically it is way more likely she fell or jumped than she was trafficked. There were numerous sightings of Natalie Halloway as well. Sightings without photographic evidence isn't really reliable.

I've been on exactly one cruise (early January 1998 when I was a senior in college) and someone committed suicide. The captain turned the ship around, but the body wasn't recovered.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"4. Her parents after she is missing only an hour want her to be paged and the boat not to dock? Why? Cruiseships are massive. There are several places to grab coffee or to walk around to see the sun rise. She is 23 and they have no problem with her staying out until 3 am, but she is missing one hour from 6-7 and they want all hands on deck searching for her? Why were they so insistent about the boat not docking? And if they were so insistent why didn't they have one member of the family stationed on the dock watching people?"

This is the point that always bothered me. If he just saw her at 5:30, why was he so concerned just an hour later that he was begging the crew to delay disembarkation? I guess I would have assumed that she left the room for a myriad of reasons--dozing on a deck chair rather than share a tiny foldaway sofa with her brother, needed to be sick and was looking for a public bathroom, just out to enjoy the sunrise, meeting a new "friend" (male or female), eating breakfast, etc. I'm a helicopter mom and I don't think I would have even stirred out of bed, much less jumped up to conduct a full-scale search and report her missing.
Not sure what it means though, unless there was some sort of conversation or action before she went missing that had him concerned.

I don’t know if I would have been as sure that there was something wrong after that short a time as they were, but they had checked everywhere they thought she would be and her mom said if she was going to be gone longer that she would have left a note.

This right here is what made me suspicious of the family. One of the three of them had a hand in her disappearance or knows more that they let on. The way they reacted that morning, after not being bothered that she was out until the wee hours of the morning is suspicious. The full search and asking to not dock would make sense for a very young child missing, but not for 23-year-old woman, especially if they had no knowledge of foul play. Fishy

I think she said something alarming and they knew she was suicidal. People saying well, she must have been trafficked because no body was found. A human jaw bone of a Caucasian was found washed up on Aruba (the cruise was on route to Curacao from Aruba) in the fall of 2010. They tested it to see if it was from Natalie Halloway but never tested it to see if it was Amy Bradley's despite media speculation it could be her jawbone.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

I agree with this post

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Anonymous wrote:If she is was trafficked and is now dead, where is the body? The only plausible explanation is that she fell over the balcony.

I suspect in places like Curacao and Barbados it is going to be quite easy to dispose of a human body. But I don't think that happened. I agree she went over the side of the ship.

Then how could you explain the multiple sightings of her from completely strangers that would have no reason to lie? What about the picture of her on the sex sight? I still think she snuck out to find drugs and fell into the hands of the wrong people. Yellow “helped,” but was not ultimately the one that took her so he is right, he had no part of the disappearance. The military guys story is so spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:If she is was trafficked and is now dead, where is the body? The only plausible explanation is that she fell over the balcony.

I suspect in places like Curacao and Barbados it is going to be quite easy to dispose of a human body. But I don't think that happened. I agree she went over the side of the ship.

Then how could you explain the multiple sightings of her from completely strangers that would have no reason to lie? What about the picture of her on the sex sight? I still think she snuck out to find drugs and fell into the hands of the wrong people. Yellow “helped,” but was not ultimately the one that took her so he is right, he had no part of the disappearance. The military guys story is so spot on.

What gets me about the sightings is the consistency: a Caucasian woman with handlers and some of the details (like the watch). Otherwise, I'd be fully on board with the over-the-side theory. In the end, don't know how any one can feel certain either way. The only thing I'm pretty certain of: she's dead now.

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Anonymous wrote:Cigarettes and lighter and room key were gone. Could be that all were in her pockets, but I know I generally set the key down on a table once I've entered. The small detail of the balcony door being partially open (when her dad initially saw it closed) suggests to me that she left the room again and that the ~6AM sighting with Yellow was accurate. That doesn't mean I think Yellow did anything to her, more likely she left the ship for whatever reason then got into trouble.

A smoker wouldn't pick up the cigarettes and put them in their pocket to jump, she would have left them for her brother.

3 separate witnesses saw Amy with Yellow after she left the balcony. Unlikely they're all wrong.

There’s no way to actually confirm the timeline that night/morning. There’s a lot of room for speculation.

I just think it’s odd that anyone would stay up all night and then wander out again at dawn…barefoot.

Ships are big. It’s unlikely that the two had prearranged a rendezvous and even more unlikely they randomly ran into each other around that timeframe when all the bars and clubs had shut down.

Plus, she was a lesbian. It would be very odd for a lesbian to pursue a man. Unless she was a party girl or addict feening for drugs…but her family would have had some visibility on that and would have shared that information to frame the most likely scenario. But, you would also imagine that her family would have kept a closer eye on her if she was a party girl/addict. (Btdt with my party girl sister. No way anyone would have left my sister drunk at a club.)

Except she apparently was a party girl. Her dad went to drag her back to the cabin at 3am (in itself pretty crazy) then no indication she planned to go to bed.

All of her college friends talked about her partying and never mentioned drugs though. I agree with the PPs who think a dark thirty drug buy on an unfamiliar island doesn’t sound in character for her at all although it checks some of the other boxes that would explain why she first went missing.

I’m the same age and I drank a TON in college but never did drugs and didn’t know any women that did It just wasn’t that common for college education women at that time. I don’t think it’s an all likely that she went to go score drugs in the middle of the night or off the boat. Falling off the ship makes a lot more sense but I agree that it doesn’t really fit with the two women who saw her and the fact that the trafficked woman looks so much like her.

PP you’re responding to and I’m the exact same - only a year or so older than Amy, drank a LOT in college but hardly any weed (although it was around) and no coke (supposedly it was around but I never saw it.) I think what I expected from the documentary is for after the part with the speculation about the early morning drug buy, for it to flip back to interviews with all of her friends saying “that’s ridiculous, I never saw or heard of her doing any kind of drugs” and that didn’t happen.

For those that think the family is somehow involved with her disappearance, I can’t imagine that they would still be pushing this story out there after all of these years if there was any way that the truth would backfire on them.

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Anonymous wrote:If she is was trafficked and is now dead, where is the body? The only plausible explanation is that she fell over the balcony.

I suspect in places like Curacao and Barbados it is going to be quite easy to dispose of a human body. But I don't think that happened. I agree she went over the side of the ship.

Then how could you explain the multiple sightings of her from completely strangers that would have no reason to lie? What about the picture of her on the sex sight? I still think she snuck out to find drugs and fell into the hands of the wrong people. Yellow “helped,” but was not ultimately the one that took her so he is right, he had no part of the disappearance. The military guys story is so spot on.

What gets me about the sightings is the consistency: a Caucasian woman with handlers and some of the details (like the watch). Otherwise, I'd be fully on board with the over-the-side theory. In the end, don't know how any one can feel certain either way. The only thing I'm pretty certain of: she's dead now.

What gets me about the sightings is the huge reward being offered. $25k is a lot to the kind of people who are reporting these "sightings"