NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Most people don't follow politics and know little to nothing about those candidates. It shows there's an appetite for random person who isn't Biden or Trump, which is something, but it doesn't mean they can build a good GOTV campaign, withstand attacks on their weaknesses, and swing independents. It's still a big risk for the DNC.

AP published a poll yesterday. 65 percent of Democrats want Biden to drop out now. The only people advocating for Biden to remain in the race are Republicans. It's an easy landslide victory for them across the board as long as Biden is at the top of the ticket.

Risk implies uncertainty. There is no uncertainty for Democrats while Biden is in the race. It is a guaranteed catastrophic loss - the presidency, the Senate, the House, governors, state houses, dog catchers, all of it. The race was lost for Democrats ten minutes into last month's debate.

It's a useless metric if the pollsters did not explain the potential pitfalls and benefits of replacing Joe Biden. All that metric tells me is the usual American story of politics: "I hate both candidates"

"Replace Joe Biden" sounds great in theory, but I guarantee 85% of Americans don't actually understand what that entails in practice. Are they OK with "replace Joe Biden" if it means the successor might not end up on the ballot in certain states due to legal challenges? Are they OK with "replace Joe Biden" if it means a chaotic convention where multiple losing sides leave bruised and the party is not united?

I'm sure 65% of Independents would agree with "Replace Trump and Biden." It still tells you nothing other than they are angry with our fossilized politics.

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Who is Kelly?

Mark Kelly, Arizona Senator, decorated navy pilot (Desert Storm) astronaut, and the only Democratic candidate who can trump Trump's assassination attempt.

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People are starting to chicken out. What a bunch of wimps. How did they ever expect the party to be respected in November in swing states after using an MSM whisper campaign to drive out a sitting President?

These people are a bunch of bedwetters.

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Most people don't follow politics and know little to nothing about those candidates. It shows there's an appetite for random person who isn't Biden or Trump, which is something, but it doesn't mean they can build a good GOTV campaign, withstand attacks on their weaknesses, and swing independents. It's still a big risk for the DNC.

AP published a poll yesterday. 65 percent of Democrats want Biden to drop out now. The only people advocating for Biden to remain in the race are Republicans. It's an easy landslide victory for them across the board as long as Biden is at the top of the ticket.

Risk implies uncertainty. There is no uncertainty for Democrats while Biden is in the race. It is a guaranteed catastrophic loss - the presidency, the Senate, the House, governors, state houses, dog catchers, all of it. The race was lost for Democrats ten minutes into last month's debate.

The ONLY polling I am interested in at this point is polling, that as soon as the RNC concludes, polling that is post-shooting, post-Vance, post-RNC speeches, that pits the top DNC contenders WHO ARE ACTUALLY WILLING AND INTERESTED (for example I believe Whitmer already said she wasn't interested) in various combinations against Trump, showing they will widely beat Trump in battleground states and other key demographics. That's the only polling that matters. It needs to be solid, credible polling, from multiple sources.

Without that key reality check, I think the "BiDEN NeEDs To StEP DoWN" people are talking out of their asses. RNC will be over soon. Get moving on those polls.

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jsteele wrote:Of equal importance, if not more so, is what will happen with the Biden/Harris campaign funds. They have something like $90 million. My understanding is that only Harris can access it if Biden drops out. If that is true, she is really the only option to replace him.

Do you really think she can win?

Yes, and fairly easily.

+100

Not based on the current polls and momentum that the Republicans have now. Democrats wasted too much time hand wringing. They knew that Joe wouldn't be able to serve another 4 years, so they should have put Harris upfront early, rehabilitated her image through high-profile state visits (in Biden's place), etc... Biden would have opposed this, but it's pretty clear that Democrat leadership always had the leverage to force him out of the running. They were counting on not having to do that - Biden would have won and then been convinced to step down near or at the end of his current term. What forced their hand was Biden's poor debate performance and a failure of the law fare campaign. The Trump assassination attempt was only the cherry on top.

Putting in Harris now only saves down ballot candidates and thereby the House/Senate, which could be used to blunt a 2nd Trump presidency over the next 4 years. By 2028, Democrats will have 3-4 solid Presidential candidates with far better chances of winning against the likely Republican candidates (most of whom already ran in 2024 against Trump).

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Who is Kelly?

Mark Kelly, Arizona Senator, decorated navy pilot (Desert Storm) astronaut, and the only Democratic candidate who can trump Trump's assassination attempt.

Love Mark Kelly. Hope he runs one day if not now.

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, its a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.

No. Harris is polling significantly better than any other candidate, and especially the incumbent. She is the only one who ties with Trump. All the others lose. To stick with Biden would be ensure a GOP victory up and down the ballot.

I don't know why you can't acknowledge this, but thankfully more and more people are coming around to changing the top of the ticket.

There are reports that the big donors pressuring the House and Senate Ds don’t want Harris either, which means clusterf^ck.

Oh, it's going to be a clusterf*ck no matter what Democrats decide. We are in uncharted waters. And there is not a single solution that doesn't result in a massive Trump victory.

All of this was predictable. A majority of Democrats have never wanted Biden to run for a second term. And now these same elites that gave us Biden are going to unilaterally decide the nomination for who knows who with no input whatsoever from actual voters? Yeah, that's going to work out well.

All is lost! All is lost!

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Biden is saying he’s not leaving and will resume campaigning Monday.

This is ridiculous. He’s a stubborn old man

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Who is Kelly?

Mark Kelly, Arizona Senator, decorated navy pilot (Desert Storm) astronaut, and the only Democratic candidate who can trump Trump's assassination attempt.

I really like Mark Kelly.

But is he actually willing to step up and are donors available and committed to go into full overdrive and make Elon's "$45m a month" look like a limp-dick poseur, is everyone in the machine ready to go to a full all-hands-on-deck battle readiness to bring him to where he actually needs to be to make it happen? And what is his platform, what are his policies, how will he take the ammunition away from Republicans on border issues and other things?

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Anonymous wrote:Biden is saying he’s not leaving and will resume campaigning Monday.

This is ridiculous. He’s a stubborn old man

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE IN RECTANGULAR and "FLY OVER" STATES LIKE HIM. He's stubbornly authentic.

I swear, the DC bubble is so oblivious to what actually inspires Americans. Americans love a stubborn fighter. It's why they friggin' elected Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden is saying he’s not leaving and will resume campaigning Monday.

This is ridiculous. He’s a stubborn old man

Honestly I’m shocked by this.

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Who is Kelly?

Mark Kelly, Arizona Senator, decorated navy pilot (Desert Storm) astronaut, and the only Democratic candidate who can trump Trump's assassination attempt.

Love Mark Kelly. Hope he runs one day if not now.

Mark Kelly would be formidable.
- a Republican, in all seriousness

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Anonymous wrote:Biden is saying he’s not leaving and will resume campaigning Monday.

This is ridiculous. He’s a stubborn old man

Like it or not, that stubborn old man is the only thing we have, until the Democrats can get their shit together and come up with a viable and credible plan B. I have seen NOTHING to show that they have a viable or credible plan B.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/19/election-2024-biden-trump-campaign-updates/

Biden is ‘absolutely’ staying in race, campaign chair says

July 19, 2024

President Biden is “absolutely” staying in the presidential race, campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Friday, calling him the “best person to take on Donald Trump.” Her assessment comes amid growing calls from Democrats for Biden to step aside.