NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

[Anonymous]

My question is if Biden defies the odds and stays in, which feels impossible now, are his colleagues who have called for him to leave the race, or gently urged him to reconsider, or whatever, going to speak for him at the DNC? Will they stand up and say he's the best man for the job? Will Obama hype him up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, it’s a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.

Honestly if President Biden did step down citing medical issues, Harris gets the incumbency advantage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, its a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.

No. Harris is polling significantly better than any other candidate, and especially the incumbent. She is the only one who ties with Trump. All the others lose. To stick with Biden would be ensure a GOP victory up and down the ballot.

I don't know why you can't acknowledge this, but thankfully more and more people are coming around to changing the top of the ticket.

There are reports that the big donors pressuring the House and Senate Ds don’t want Harris either, which means clusterf^ck.

Oh, it's going to be a clusterf*ck no matter what Democrats decide. We are in uncharted waters. And there is not a single solution that doesn't result in a massive Trump victory.

All of this was predictable. A majority of Democrats have never wanted Biden to run for a second term. And now these same elites that gave us Biden are going to unilaterally decide the nomination for who knows who with no input whatsoever from actual voters? Yeah, that's going to work out well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My question is if Biden defies the odds and stays in, which feels impossible now, are his colleagues who have called for him to leave the race, or gently urged him to reconsider, or whatever, going to speak for him at the DNC? Will they stand up and say he's the best man for the job? Will Obama hype him up?

Yes, whoever is the candidate has the full support of the party. Even Nikki Haley is supporting Trump.

But it won't be Biden.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Referring to his SecDef as “the black man.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/biden-appears-to-forget-name-of-black-man-defense-secretary-lloyd-austin-in-bet-interview/

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Referring to his SecDef as “the black man.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/biden-appears-to-forget-name-of-black-man-defense-secretary-lloyd-austin-in-bet-interview/

"It's just a stutter."

[Anonymous]

Not choosing Harris and Dems Lose Black votes and a lot of the women's vote. This would be galactically s stupid decision.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:Of equal importance, if not more so, is what will happen with the Biden/Harris campaign funds. They have something like $90 million. My understanding is that only Harris can access it if Biden drops out. If that is true, she is really the only option to replace him.

I don't know the answer to this - could she access the funds if she's in the VP slot and someone else is the presidential candidate.

I don't want this to be true, but Harris seems like an enormous risk.

This would be extraordinarily selfless for a politician (and skyrocket my respect for her), but could she access them to do campaigning for a different politician? Like she directs the use, but all the ads say vote for someone else?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Who is Kelly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My question is if Biden defies the odds and stays in, which feels impossible now, are his colleagues who have called for him to leave the race, or gently urged him to reconsider, or whatever, going to speak for him at the DNC? Will they stand up and say he's the best man for the job? Will Obama hype him up?

Yes, whoever is the candidate has the full support of the party. Even Nikki Haley is supporting Trump.

But it won't be Biden.

Fair point about Haley and others, but this feels different because these democrats otherwise like Biden and would have supported him. They're not political rivals, rather they have been suggesting he's just not capable at this point. It feels harder to come back from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not choosing Harris and Dems Lose Black votes and a lot of the women's vote. This would be galactically s stupid decision.

Thank you for mansplaining that. However, a woman or Black voter would tell you that we are pragmatic and are quite able to vote for people who are not women or Black.

Carry on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good point about this really ought to be the end of Biden’s second term right now. These same party leaders encouraging him to step down told him not to run in 2016. Who has better instincts?

I don’t believe anyone spewing the crap that Biden was pushed aside for Hillary. He didn’t want to run because Beau had just died.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Referring to his SecDef as “the black man.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/biden-appears-to-forget-name-of-black-man-defense-secretary-lloyd-austin-in-bet-interview/

Get ready for the spin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Who is Kelly?

Mark Kelly, the astronaut and Gabby Gifford's husband, and senator from Arizona.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:Of equal importance, if not more so, is what will happen with the Biden/Harris campaign funds. They have something like $90 million. My understanding is that only Harris can access it if Biden drops out. If that is true, she is really the only option to replace him.

Do you really think she can win?

Yes, and fairly easily.

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