Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://specialeducationaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Hot-Topics-Region-4.docx-kids-names-redacted.pdf


Look at this document from her site and tell me that this doesn't identify kids. She's a terrible person.


All you who keep saying she's so great, what do you have to say about this

NP. +1. There's plenty of information in there that's potentially identifiable to parents of other students at those schools. I'm sure Callie would be suing someone into oblivion if they posted a document with that kind of information about her kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://specialeducationaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Hot-Topics-Region-4.docx-kids-names-redacted.pdf


Look at this document from her site and tell me that this doesn't identify kids. She's a terrible person.


All you who keep saying she's so great, what do you have to say about this

NP. +1. There's plenty of information in there that's potentially identifiable to parents of other students at those schools. I'm sure Callie would be suing someone into oblivion if they posted a document with that kind of information about her kids.

Yes. It’s potentially identifiable if the attorney listed said “hey, yes, that’s my case with Billy”. But that would violate attorney/client privilege. Because there are actual rules on that. Unlike Callie/client privilege which only exists in the minds of some oxygen deprived posters here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://specialeducationaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Hot-Topics-Region-4.docx-kids-names-redacted.pdf


Look at this document from her site and tell me that this doesn't identify kids. She's a terrible person.


All you who keep saying she's so great, what do you have to say about this

NP. +1. There's plenty of information in there that's potentially identifiable to parents of other students at those schools. I'm sure Callie would be suing someone into oblivion if they posted a document with that kind of information about her kids.

Yes. It’s potentially identifiable if the attorney listed said “hey, yes, that’s my case with Billy”. But that would violate attorney/client privilege. Because there are actual rules on that. Unlike Callie/client privilege which only exists in the minds of some oxygen deprived posters here.

If you have a kid at one of those schools,, and you know a kid that was bullied and transferred, you can easily figure out who it is and if they got money, a lawyer, etc.

If you have a kid with a peanut allergy that had to sit alone, all the kids will know who it was.

And on and on.


Stop defending her, it is gross. Or more likely, it is you Callie. Delete everything. You're gross.

[Anonymous]

Thank you families for being angry at Callie's unethical behavior and abuse of FCPS staff and resources. As a special education staff, I experience parents and advocates like her who abuse staff and FCPS resources, and who focus on their own agendas, lie about experiences or staff comments, and treat meetings like war. I hope Callie is sued, punished, and treated horrible because she deserves it. She deserves it for this horrific act and for the way she has treated special education staff for years.

Families, please know that school special education staff deal with parents and advocates like her on a regular basis. These parents and advocates are manipulative, bullies, liars, and immoral. Please fight against the unethical and inappropriate behavior. Thank you for standing against her.

FCPS central office has plenty of issues, and are responsible for their inadvertent leak. Callie is horrific for taking, keeping, and releasing data and for the way she abuses and treats school employees. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the abuse of staff, abuse of FCPS resources. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the status quo of parents lying or distorting their experiences or demanding exceptions to rules for their own gain and agenda are not tolerated.

Signed,
Special education staff about to quit because of the horrible, lying, abusive, entitled, nasty parents that get away with it in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

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I don’t think anyone is defending her. I think we’re just on the side that she never should have gotten it. And fcps has a habit of doing this. Blaming Callie as the more responsible party is straight up false. The courts told fcps that last time it happened…with her. It feels like we’re defending her because there are so many crazies on here ready to sue for laws they hope to get passed some day because they’re super pissed. But they’re super pissed because they don’t like Callie had the info but not pissed fcps handed it over. And when you call that out, they cry they’re not legal experts and how dare you call out their ignorance because Callie is evil. It’s this circular argument the common sense people are trying to balance out the conversation, so the people who truly don’t know and are looking for rational answers aren’t misled by those who are just spouting nonsense and terrible analogies comparing what she did to murder.

"I don't think anyone is defending her"... then proceeds to defend her. Is FCPS wrong? Sure. But did they publish our children's data so they can get more attention in their narcissistic quest? Nope, Callie did. There's legal recourse for FCPS's failures, but not sure what would work to fix Callie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://specialeducationaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Hot-Topics-Region-4.docx-kids-names-redacted.pdf


Look at this document from her site and tell me that this doesn't identify kids. She's a terrible person.


All you who keep saying she's so great, what do you have to say about this

NP. +1. There's plenty of information in there that's potentially identifiable to parents of other students at those schools. I'm sure Callie would be suing someone into oblivion if they posted a document with that kind of information about her kids.

Yes. It’s potentially identifiable if the attorney listed said “hey, yes, that’s my case with Billy”. But that would violate attorney/client privilege. Because there are actual rules on that. Unlike Callie/client privilege which only exists in the minds of some oxygen deprived posters here.

If you have a kid at one of those schools,, and you know a kid that was bullied and transferred, you can easily figure out who it is and if they got money, a lawyer, etc.

If you have a kid with a peanut allergy that had to sit alone, all the kids will know who it was.

And on and on.


Stop defending her, it is gross. Or more likely, it is you Callie. Delete everything. You're gross.

I hear you and sympathize. I hope and pray fcps will take these points into consideration and keep these sensitive points more secure in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume she has all the original information with the names of our children. I say that because I got the letter today. I don't see why this isn't criminal. Like, if the bank gives you too much money, and you keep it, isn't that stealing? Callie, I hope you're reading this.

Her website is still up and running with all its data. How is it not shut down? I am ready to take legal action against her.

what "data" are you seeing on the website?

There is no data on her website. But there is a poster/posters repeatedly posting here that the data is available on Callie’s site to freak out parents.

I'm not that poster. There is redacted data on her website and on the journalist article, but I agree that there is no evidence that she has publicly posted data with kids' names online--whether it's identifiable in any other way I don't know.
What freaks me out is not that it's online, but that she inadvertently downloaded digital data with personal information of 35k kids that she has decided to hold onto and no one has no idea what she plans to do with it and who she's shared it with. So far from what I can understand from what she wrote it and the articles about it seems that she's at least shared it with a journalist and the Goldwater Institute lawyer guy. We also don't know where she's storing it--is it in cloud storage? Is it secure? The wording of the Reid letter is that she says she won't publicly share it online which doesn't say she's not storing it online or privately sharing it. I get the critique of FCPS--their data storage/privacy are CLEARLY inadequate--but what does HER holding onto people's private data have to do with that?

If she's not ill-intentioned towards the parents of FCPS children whose data she has, what I would hope she would provide is a some kind of a certified statement that to her knowledge she has destroyed all of the children's private data and not shared it with others (I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what that kind of statement). Or at least provide a list of those others she has shared it with so we know where we stand.

For those of you who are defending her, I'd really like an honest answer of why she wouldn't do this--and why you think it's okay that she doesn't? The parents and the kids aren't the big, bad FCPS she's supposedly fighting. She would have much higher ground to stand on if she did this. It would re-focus attention on FCPS's flaws rather than her.

I don’t think anyone is defending her. I think we’re just on the side that she never should have gotten it. And fcps has a habit of doing this. Blaming Callie as the more responsible party is straight up false. The courts told fcps that last time it happened…with her. It feels like we’re defending her because there are so many crazies on here ready to sue for laws they hope to get passed some day because they’re super pissed. But they’re super pissed because they don’t like Callie had the info but not pissed fcps handed it over. And when you call that out, they cry they’re not legal experts and how dare you call out their ignorance because Callie is evil. It’s this circular argument the common sense people are trying to balance out the conversation, so the people who truly don’t know and are looking for rational answers aren’t misled by those who are just spouting nonsense and terrible analogies comparing what she did to murder.

NO ONE is saying FCPS is innocent or shouldn't be held accountable. She NEEDS to apologize, return all the flash drives, delete everything and so should the journalists. FCPS should be held accountable as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume she has all the original information with the names of our children. I say that because I got the letter today. I don't see why this isn't criminal. Like, if the bank gives you too much money, and you keep it, isn't that stealing? Callie, I hope you're reading this.

Her website is still up and running with all its data. How is it not shut down? I am ready to take legal action against her.

what "data" are you seeing on the website?

There is no data on her website. But there is a poster/posters repeatedly posting here that the data is available on Callie’s site to freak out parents.

I'm not that poster. There is redacted data on her website and on the journalist article, but I agree that there is no evidence that she has publicly posted data with kids' names online--whether it's identifiable in any other way I don't know.
What freaks me out is not that it's online, but that she inadvertently downloaded digital data with personal information of 35k kids that she has decided to hold onto and no one has no idea what she plans to do with it and who she's shared it with. So far from what I can understand from what she wrote it and the articles about it seems that she's at least shared it with a journalist and the Goldwater Institute lawyer guy. We also don't know where she's storing it--is it in cloud storage? Is it secure? The wording of the Reid letter is that she says she won't publicly share it online which doesn't say she's not storing it online or privately sharing it. I get the critique of FCPS--their data storage/privacy are CLEARLY inadequate--but what does HER holding onto people's private data have to do with that?

If she's not ill-intentioned towards the parents of FCPS children whose data she has, what I would hope she would provide is a some kind of a certified statement that to her knowledge she has destroyed all of the children's private data and not shared it with others (I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what that kind of statement). Or at least provide a list of those others she has shared it with so we know where we stand.

For those of you who are defending her, I'd really like an honest answer of why she wouldn't do this--and why you think it's okay that she doesn't? The parents and the kids aren't the big, bad FCPS she's supposedly fighting. She would have much higher ground to stand on if she did this. It would re-focus attention on FCPS's flaws rather than her.

I don’t think anyone is defending her. I think we’re just on the side that she never should have gotten it. And fcps has a habit of doing this. Blaming Callie as the more responsible party is straight up false. The courts told fcps that last time it happened…with her. It feels like we’re defending her because there are so many crazies on here ready to sue for laws they hope to get passed some day because they’re super pissed. But they’re super pissed because they don’t like Callie had the info but not pissed fcps handed it over. And when you call that out, they cry they’re not legal experts and how dare you call out their ignorance because Callie is evil. It’s this circular argument the common sense people are trying to balance out the conversation, so the people who truly don’t know and are looking for rational answers aren’t misled by those who are just spouting nonsense and terrible analogies comparing what she did to murder.

NO ONE is saying FCPS is innocent or shouldn't be held accountable. She NEEDS to apologize, return all the flash drives, delete everything and so should the journalists. FCPS should be held accountable as well.

A lot of people are. When they use “inadvertent” and “oh, I’ll lobby them but sue her and throw her in jail”, it’s pretty one sided.

[Anonymous]

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I don’t think anyone is defending her. I think we’re just on the side that she never should have gotten it. And fcps has a habit of doing this. Blaming Callie as the more responsible party is straight up false. The courts told fcps that last time it happened…with her. It feels like we’re defending her because there are so many crazies on here ready to sue for laws they hope to get passed some day because they’re super pissed. But they’re super pissed because they don’t like Callie had the info but not pissed fcps handed it over. And when you call that out, they cry they’re not legal experts and how dare you call out their ignorance because Callie is evil. It’s this circular argument the common sense people are trying to balance out the conversation, so the people who truly don’t know and are looking for rational answers aren’t misled by those who are just spouting nonsense and terrible analogies comparing what she did to murder.

"I don't think anyone is defending her"... then proceeds to defend her. Is FCPS wrong? Sure. But did they publish our children's data so they can get more attention in their narcissistic quest? Nope, Callie did. There's legal recourse for FCPS's failures, but not sure what would work to fix Callie.

Attacking fcps for a complete lack of accountability in this area doesn’t equal defending Callie. A point that’s lost….intentionally or otherwise

[Anonymous]

where can we search through to find out kids names

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:where can we search through to find out kids names

You can’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://specialeducationaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Hot-Topics-Region-4.docx-kids-names-redacted.pdf


Look at this document from her site and tell me that this doesn't identify kids. She's a terrible person.


All you who keep saying she's so great, what do you have to say about this

NP. +1. There's plenty of information in there that's potentially identifiable to parents of other students at those schools. I'm sure Callie would be suing someone into oblivion if they posted a document with that kind of information about her kids.

Yes. It’s potentially identifiable if the attorney listed said “hey, yes, that’s my case with Billy”. But that would violate attorney/client privilege. Because there are actual rules on that. Unlike Callie/client privilege which only exists in the minds of some oxygen deprived posters here.

If you have a kid at one of those schools,, and you know a kid that was bullied and transferred, you can easily figure out who it is and if they got money, a lawyer, etc.

If you have a kid with a peanut allergy that had to sit alone, all the kids will know who it was.

And on and on.


Stop defending her, it is gross. Or more likely, it is you Callie. Delete everything. You're gross.

Are you one of those people? Or are you someone who just likes to get offended on behalf of everyone else?

[Anonymous]

Np. She spent almost a decade fighting for records. Finally a court ordered the school to give it to her, and they give her 35,000 children's... This is on the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:where can we search through to find out kids names

Unless your kid is all grown up and now works as an attorney, you won’t.

[Anonymous]

Here is the sad part. All these families with special needs children were caught in a battle between FCPS and Callie Oettinger.
1. It is the fault of FCPS for not properly monitoring their data and neglecting to provide sufficient training to their staff.
2. Callie Oettinger does not have the right to access and share our children's and families' personal information without our consent. Data is data, whether named or not. It belongs to us and our children.

THEY ARE BOTH GUILTY