Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the sad part. All these families with special needs children were caught in a battle between FCPS and Callie Oettinger.
1. It is the fault of FCPS for not properly monitoring their data and neglecting to provide sufficient training to their staff.
2. Callie Oettinger does not have the right to access and share our children's and families' personal information without our consent. Data is data, whether named or not. It belongs to us and our children.

THEY ARE BOTH GUILTY

1. Correct.
2. See #1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Np. She spent almost a decade fighting for records. Finally a court ordered the school to give it to her, and they give her 35,000 children's... This is on the school.

True. But then she publishes it for her two-bit blog for attention. That's on her and she should be punished for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Np. She spent almost a decade fighting for records. Finally a court ordered the school to give it to her, and they give her 35,000 children's... This is on the school.

True. But then she publishes it for her two-bit blog for attention. That's on her and she should be punished for that.

Agreed. But I've literally been banned ieps with another kid's name unredacted (they replaced it with my kids name, but missed a few places!)

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Anonymous wrote:Np. She spent almost a decade fighting for records. Finally a court ordered the school to give it to her, and they give her 35,000 children's... This is on the school.

True. But then she publishes it for her two-bit blog for attention. That's on her and she should be punished for that.

Agreed. But I've literally been banned ieps with another kid's name unredacted (they replaced it with my kids name, but missed a few places!)

Handed, not banned. And this wasn't in DCUM area, it's in Boston, but I'm sure the same systemic issues are everywhere

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Anonymous wrote:Np. She spent almost a decade fighting for records. Finally a court ordered the school to give it to her, and they give her 35,000 children's... This is on the school.

True. But then she publishes it for her two-bit blog for attention. That's on her and she should be punished for that.

No, she set up a whole 501c3 for this purpose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:where can we search through to find out kids names

You can’t.

Anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:where can we search through to find out kids names

You can’t.

Anymore.

Ever. But, hey, facts just get in the way of a good story.

[Anonymous]

Whistleblowing= Whistleblowing is the activity of a person, often an employee, revealing information about activity within a private or public organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, illicit, unsafe or fraudulent. Whistleblowers can use a variety of internal or external channels to communicate information or allegations.

Callie is an American hero! I hope she will consider a run for public office!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whistleblowing= Whistleblowing is the activity of a person, often an employee, revealing information about activity within a private or public organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, illicit, unsafe or fraudulent. Whistleblowers can use a variety of internal or external channels to communicate information or allegations.

Callie is an American hero! I hope she will consider a run for public office!

+1. Nobody would be aware of fcps’s disdain for information security if not for Callie. An American treasure.

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Does anyone know how to go about starting a superpac?

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Anonymous wrote:I assume she has all the original information with the names of our children. I say that because I got the letter today. I don't see why this isn't criminal. Like, if the bank gives you too much money, and you keep it, isn't that stealing? Callie, I hope you're reading this.

Her website is still up and running with all its data. How is it not shut down? I am ready to take legal action against her.

what "data" are you seeing on the website?

There is no data on her website. But there is a poster/posters repeatedly posting here that the data is available on Callie’s site to freak out parents.

I'm not that poster. There is redacted data on her website and on the journalist article, but I agree that there is no evidence that she has publicly posted data with kids' names online--whether it's identifiable in any other way I don't know.
What freaks me out is not that it's online, but that she inadvertently downloaded digital data with personal information of 35k kids that she has decided to hold onto and no one has no idea what she plans to do with it and who she's shared it with. So far from what I can understand from what she wrote it and the articles about it seems that she's at least shared it with a journalist and the Goldwater Institute lawyer guy. We also don't know where she's storing it--is it in cloud storage? Is it secure? The wording of the Reid letter is that she says she won't publicly share it online which doesn't say she's not storing it online or privately sharing it. I get the critique of FCPS--their data storage/privacy are CLEARLY inadequate--but what does HER holding onto people's private data have to do with that?

If she's not ill-intentioned towards the parents of FCPS children whose data she has, what I would hope she would provide is a some kind of a certified statement that to her knowledge she has destroyed all of the children's private data and not shared it with others (I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what that kind of statement). Or at least provide a list of those others she has shared it with so we know where we stand.

For those of you who are defending her, I'd really like an honest answer of why she wouldn't do this--and why you think it's okay that she doesn't? The parents and the kids aren't the big, bad FCPS she's supposedly fighting. She would have much higher ground to stand on if she did this. It would re-focus attention on FCPS's flaws rather than her.

I don’t think anyone is defending her. I think we’re just on the side that she never should have gotten it. And fcps has a habit of doing this. Blaming Callie as the more responsible party is straight up false. The courts told fcps that last time it happened…with her. It feels like we’re defending her because there are so many crazies on here ready to sue for laws they hope to get passed some day because they’re super pissed. But they’re super pissed because they don’t like Callie had the info but not pissed fcps handed it over. And when you call that out, they cry they’re not legal experts and how dare you call out their ignorance because Callie is evil. It’s this circular argument the common sense people are trying to balance out the conversation, so the people who truly don’t know and are looking for rational answers aren’t misled by those who are just spouting nonsense and terrible analogies comparing what she did to murder.

NO ONE is saying FCPS is innocent or shouldn't be held accountable. She NEEDS to apologize, return all the flash drives, delete everything and so should the journalists. FCPS should be held accountable as well.

A lot of people are. When they use “inadvertent” and “oh, I’ll lobby them but sue her and throw her in jail”, it’s pretty one sided.

Ok. Parents should go after FCPS. What about Callie? Do you think she should be held accountable for her actions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whistleblowing= Whistleblowing is the activity of a person, often an employee, revealing information about activity within a private or public organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, illicit, unsafe or fraudulent. Whistleblowers can use a variety of internal or external channels to communicate information or allegations.

Callie is an American hero! I hope she will consider a run for public office!

+1. Nobody would be aware of fcps’s disdain for information security if not for Callie. An American treasure.

It's not just fcps. It's all public schools in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how to go about starting a superpac?

There's got to be someone in the DC area!!

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Anonymous wrote:Np. She spent almost a decade fighting for records. Finally a court ordered the school to give it to her, and they give her 35,000 children's... This is on the school.

True. But then she publishes it for her two-bit blog for attention. That's on her and she should be punished for that.

Agreed. But I've literally been banned ieps with another kid's name unredacted (they replaced it with my kids name, but missed a few places!)

Handed, not banned. And this wasn't in DCUM area, it's in Boston, but I'm sure the same systemic issues are everywhere

Yeah, the thing is this tells me is that schools all over are just not adequately supported to handle the privacy demands placed on them. I just don't see why we think every school system should have to solve this problem on their own. We need national level data security systems for our school that are managed by people who understand these things deeply--not have school systems flounder through this individually.

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Anonymous wrote:I assume she has all the original information with the names of our children. I say that because I got the letter today. I don't see why this isn't criminal. Like, if the bank gives you too much money, and you keep it, isn't that stealing? Callie, I hope you're reading this.

Her website is still up and running with all its data. How is it not shut down? I am ready to take legal action against her.

what "data" are you seeing on the website?

There is no data on her website. But there is a poster/posters repeatedly posting here that the data is available on Callie’s site to freak out parents.

I'm not that poster. There is redacted data on her website and on the journalist article, but I agree that there is no evidence that she has publicly posted data with kids' names online--whether it's identifiable in any other way I don't know.
What freaks me out is not that it's online, but that she inadvertently downloaded digital data with personal information of 35k kids that she has decided to hold onto and no one has no idea what she plans to do with it and who she's shared it with. So far from what I can understand from what she wrote it and the articles about it seems that she's at least shared it with a journalist and the Goldwater Institute lawyer guy. We also don't know where she's storing it--is it in cloud storage? Is it secure? The wording of the Reid letter is that she says she won't publicly share it online which doesn't say she's not storing it online or privately sharing it. I get the critique of FCPS--their data storage/privacy are CLEARLY inadequate--but what does HER holding onto people's private data have to do with that?

If she's not ill-intentioned towards the parents of FCPS children whose data she has, what I would hope she would provide is a some kind of a certified statement that to her knowledge she has destroyed all of the children's private data and not shared it with others (I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what that kind of statement). Or at least provide a list of those others she has shared it with so we know where we stand.

For those of you who are defending her, I'd really like an honest answer of why she wouldn't do this--and why you think it's okay that she doesn't? The parents and the kids aren't the big, bad FCPS she's supposedly fighting. She would have much higher ground to stand on if she did this. It would re-focus attention on FCPS's flaws rather than her.

I don’t think anyone is defending her. I think we’re just on the side that she never should have gotten it. And fcps has a habit of doing this. Blaming Callie as the more responsible party is straight up false. The courts told fcps that last time it happened…with her. It feels like we’re defending her because there are so many crazies on here ready to sue for laws they hope to get passed some day because they’re super pissed. But they’re super pissed because they don’t like Callie had the info but not pissed fcps handed it over. And when you call that out, they cry they’re not legal experts and how dare you call out their ignorance because Callie is evil. It’s this circular argument the common sense people are trying to balance out the conversation, so the people who truly don’t know and are looking for rational answers aren’t misled by those who are just spouting nonsense and terrible analogies comparing what she did to murder.

NO ONE is saying FCPS is innocent or shouldn't be held accountable. She NEEDS to apologize, return all the flash drives, delete everything and so should the journalists. FCPS should be held accountable as well.

A lot of people are. When they use “inadvertent” and “oh, I’ll lobby them but sue her and throw her in jail”, it’s pretty one sided.

Ok. Parents should go after FCPS. What about Callie? Do you think she should be held accountable for her actions?

Nope, because a judge ruled if they give it to her, she has no obligation to give it back or not do anything with it. Laws can be changed but not retroactively. After spending tens of thousands of dollars on a lawsuit, losing and then making the same mistake a year later is the literal definition of insanity.

Now, if the law changes and it happens again, sure.