What’s going on with the two bills?

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I don't get the moderate insistence on the CBO score. Even if you believe CBO scores have any value anymore in this world of gaming them to no end, this is not the final bill. The Senate is going to strip out and change a number of provisions. The immigration provision is obviously DOA in the Senate, and there are likely others. So they'll get a CBO score for the final version before they have to vote for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Longest roll call vote in history. At least there’s that.

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I don't get the moderate insistence on the CBO score. Even if you believe CBO scores have any value anymore in this world of gaming them to no end, this is not the final bill. The Senate is going to strip out and change a number of provisions. The immigration provision is obviously DOA in the Senate, and there are likely others. So they'll get a CBO score for the final version before they have to vote for it.

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I don't get the moderate insistence on the CBO score. Even if you believe CBO scores have any value anymore in this world of gaming them to no end, this is not the final bill. The Senate is going to strip out and change a number of provisions. The immigration provision is obviously DOA in the Senate, and there are likely others. So they'll get a CBO score for the final version before they have to vote for it.

That doesn't respond to anything. In fact, it makes my point.

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I don't get the moderate insistence on the CBO score. Even if you believe CBO scores have any value anymore in this world of gaming them to no end, this is not the final bill. The Senate is going to strip out and change a number of provisions. The immigration provision is obviously DOA in the Senate, and there are likely others. So they'll get a CBO score for the final version before they have to vote for it.

That doesn't respond to anything. In fact, it makes my point.

There is no reason to vote for a bill you don't even have the actual cost for. The House is not the Senate. They will not vote for as is. Sure you can say the Senate will make changes, but that is not a guarantee. What the House passes could go into law and they need to know the economic ramifications for that. From the Congressional Budget Office and no entity less.

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I don't get the no score, no vote.

Th CBO scored the 2017 tax cuts and accurately reflected the $1.7T in debt it would yield and the GOP voted for it unanimously anyhow.

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I don't get the moderate insistence on the CBO score. Even if you believe CBO scores have any value anymore in this world of gaming them to no end, this is not the final bill. The Senate is going to strip out and change a number of provisions. The immigration provision is obviously DOA in the Senate, and there are likely others. So they'll get a CBO score for the final version before they have to vote for it.

That doesn't respond to anything. In fact, it makes my point.

There is no reason to vote for a bill you don't even have the actual cost for. The House is not the Senate. They will not vote for as is. Sure you can say the Senate will make changes, but that is not a guarantee. What the House passes could go into law and they need to know the economic ramifications for that. From the Congressional Budget Office and no entity less.

It's absolutely a guarantee that this version won't pass the Senate. At a minimum, the parliamentarian has already ruled the immigration provisions don't comply with the reconciliation rules. A number of Senators want to trim down SALT. Manchin will almost certainly ditch the paid leave program.

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Anonymous wrote:Longest roll call vote in history. At least there’s that.

Thank god. PP has finally given up on the 'The bills will pass today'. I guess after re-iterating it four days in a row it lost its mojo.

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BIF is heading to the floor!! Yayyay

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I don't get the moderate insistence on the CBO score. Even if you believe CBO scores have any value anymore in this world of gaming them to no end, this is not the final bill. The Senate is going to strip out and change a number of provisions. The immigration provision is obviously DOA in the Senate, and there are likely others. So they'll get a CBO score for the final version before they have to vote for it.

That doesn't respond to anything. In fact, it makes my point.

There is no reason to vote for a bill you don't even have the actual cost for. The House is not the Senate. They will not vote for as is. Sure you can say the Senate will make changes, but that is not a guarantee. What the House passes could go into law and they need to know the economic ramifications for that. From the Congressional Budget Office and no entity less.

It's absolutely a guarantee that this version won't pass the Senate. At a minimum, the parliamentarian has already ruled the immigration provisions don't comply with the reconciliation rules. A number of Senators want to trim down SALT. Manchin will almost certainly ditch the paid leave program.

We know what happens. It will go to conference and old sour Joe will have to sit on the sidelines and count his money. No chance in hell Manchin is part of the conference. Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BIF is heading to the floor!! Yayyay

Yes let’s pass the infrastructure bill now and then think about the social spening bill later. This will infuriate the progressives but I don’t care at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:BIF is heading to the floor!! Yayyay

Yes let’s pass the infrastructure bill now and then think about the social spening bill later. This will infuriate the progressives but I don’t care at this point.

Are you sure it’s going for a vote? I heard he vote is delayed until the CBO scores it.

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Anonymous wrote:BIF is heading to the floor!! Yayyay

Yes let’s pass the infrastructure bill now and then think about the social spening bill later. This will infuriate the progressives but I don’t care at this point.

Are you sure it’s going for a vote? I heard he vote is delayed until the CBO scores it.

The letter means that Pelosi wants to vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill today and the social spending bill later probably around Thanskgiving after the CBO scores are out. Jayapal doesn’t like this idea.

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Oooh here we go again. Big procession.

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Pelosi's holding a presser now.