Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Can someone explain why there were all the audio recordings? Of AH and JD fighting? Who was taking those recordings and why?

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Anonymous wrote:Elaine said on cbs news show that Judge Penny left out a mountain of evidence that might have led to a very different outcome. Why did she leave it out? Also do people here think that Judge Penny was easily influenced by one side or the other at different times objecting

The judge is a woman of a certain age. That's all I have to say about whether she is or is not biased.

Jeez here we go again!

I personally thought she was very fair.

Are you a trial attorney?

And you wanna tell me you are?

I am not a trial attorney, but I am an attorney who oversees many trials so I am very familiar with how they work (particularly in Virginia state court). To clarify, though, while I am the poster who asked if you are a trial attorney, I am not the one who commented on the judge being of a certain age. I do think she made a number of highly questionable decisions in this case, so lots of potential grounds for appeal. That’s to be expected after a trial of this length, however, regardless of the skill of the judge.

don't they already have a list of disputed proffers?

Oh, you’re so cute. Why don’t you go ahead and explain to everyone how that works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why there were all the audio recordings? Of AH and JD fighting? Who was taking those recordings and why?

JD. Because, in AH own words on one recording, no jury would ever believe he was abused by her.

[Anonymous]

OK, so I’ve been very critical of Amber, and I agree with the verdict.

But I also think that the right thing for Johnny to do now is to make sure that she doesn’t have to pay him that money.

He’s won and gotten what he said he wanted: his “life back.” He doesn’t need the money, and she’s clearly a very sick woman with some severe mental health issues. She can’t pay, and she isn’t likely to get another movie role that will allow her to pay. Her mental health issues (BPD) mean that, as was shown in the trial, she can’t keep friends and is largely alone with her illness. And she has a baby.

I think the only right think for Johnny to do now is to ensure she doesn’t have to pay, urge his fans to leave her alone, and move on with his life and career.

I will be very disappointed in him if that doesn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why there were all the audio recordings? Of AH and JD fighting? Who was taking those recordings and why?

JD. Because, in AH own words on one recording, no jury would ever believe he was abused by her.

What are you talking about? Most of submitted recordings come from her, JD was too uninterested and drunk to follow through.
They were advised by their therapist at the time to record each other and even write a journal together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, so I’ve been very critical of Amber, and I agree with the verdict.

But I also think that the right thing for Johnny to do now is to make sure that she doesn’t have to pay him that money.

He’s won and gotten what he said he wanted: his “life back.” He doesn’t need the money, and she’s clearly a very sick woman with some severe mental health issues. She can’t pay, and she isn’t likely to get another movie role that will allow her to pay. Her mental health issues (BPD) mean that, as was shown in the trial, she can’t keep friends and is largely alone with her illness. And she has a baby.

I think the only right think for Johnny to do now is to ensure she doesn’t have to pay, urge his fans to leave her alone, and move on with his life and career.

I will be very disappointed in him if that doesn’t happen.

I kind of agree with this. There were seriously no winners here. I don’t see this as vindication for him at all, even though I agree with the verdict. He’s a tool, she’s messed up, everyone walk away and stop acting like the victor or victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, so I’ve been very critical of Amber, and I agree with the verdict.

But I also think that the right thing for Johnny to do now is to make sure that she doesn’t have to pay him that money.

He’s won and gotten what he said he wanted: his “life back.” He doesn’t need the money, and she’s clearly a very sick woman with some severe mental health issues. She can’t pay, and she isn’t likely to get another movie role that will allow her to pay. Her mental health issues (BPD) mean that, as was shown in the trial, she can’t keep friends and is largely alone with her illness. And she has a baby.

I think the only right think for Johnny to do now is to ensure she doesn’t have to pay, urge his fans to leave her alone, and move on with his life and career.

I will be very disappointed in him if that doesn’t happen.

I agree with moving on, but he should pay for rehab with that money or give it to his kids, which is a way of moving on.
Him ensuring that she doesn't have to pay is still a way of being invested in her. She doesn't deserve further humiliation. But even more - she doesn't deserve any financial absolution, because she is all about other's people money.

[Anonymous]

I was just coming to post this. The right thing to do is settle for a dollar each and move on. Only people making money are the lawyers. If JD really isn’t a horrible person he should take his win and let Amber get the help she needs for herself and her baby.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, so I’ve been very critical of Amber, and I agree with the verdict.

But I also think that the right thing for Johnny to do now is to make sure that she doesn’t have to pay him that money.

He’s won and gotten what he said he wanted: his “life back.” He doesn’t need the money, and she’s clearly a very sick woman with some severe mental health issues. She can’t pay, and she isn’t likely to get another movie role that will allow her to pay. Her mental health issues (BPD) mean that, as was shown in the trial, she can’t keep friends and is largely alone with her illness. And she has a baby.

I think the only right think for Johnny to do now is to ensure she doesn’t have to pay, urge his fans to leave her alone, and move on with his life and career.

I will be very disappointed in him if that doesn’t happen.

I hope he does go after her for the money and donates all of it to Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles.

[Anonymous]

I actually agree with that outcome until Elaine made her rounds with the talk show circuit screaming unfair trial, how her client is the real victim, how this is a loss for women's rights, and their plan to appeal the verdict. They are doubling down criticizing the judge, jurors, social media while never admitting their own mistakes and AH's issues with credibility. How can JD move on if AH's team is still attacking him? I think JD's monetary award is the best way to keep her from causing more troubles. Maybe they can broker a deal where she has to move on (no appeal) if he doesn't seek to collect the debt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, so I’ve been very critical of Amber, and I agree with the verdict.

But I also think that the right thing for Johnny to do now is to make sure that she doesn’t have to pay him that money.

He’s won and gotten what he said he wanted: his “life back.” He doesn’t need the money, and she’s clearly a very sick woman with some severe mental health issues. She can’t pay, and she isn’t likely to get another movie role that will allow her to pay. Her mental health issues (BPD) mean that, as was shown in the trial, she can’t keep friends and is largely alone with her illness. And she has a baby.

I think the only right think for Johnny to do now is to ensure she doesn’t have to pay, urge his fans to leave her alone, and move on with his life and career.

I will be very disappointed in him if that doesn’t happen.

I agree he should settle for a much lesser/nominal sum and tell his fans not to harass her. I agree his win was justified based kn her behavior but I do also feel bad for her and the way the internet treated her during this trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, so I’ve been very critical of Amber, and I agree with the verdict.

But I also think that the right thing for Johnny to do now is to make sure that she doesn’t have to pay him that money.

He’s won and gotten what he said he wanted: his “life back.” He doesn’t need the money, and she’s clearly a very sick woman with some severe mental health issues. She can’t pay, and she isn’t likely to get another movie role that will allow her to pay. Her mental health issues (BPD) mean that, as was shown in the trial, she can’t keep friends and is largely alone with her illness. And she has a baby.

I think the only right think for Johnny to do now is to ensure she doesn’t have to pay, urge his fans to leave her alone, and move on with his life and career.

I will be very disappointed in him if that doesn’t happen.

there are a number of very serious issues for appeal. The judge treated this like a criminal trial and excluded significant evidence. The instruction on retweeting was wrong.

So yes he should agree not to seek the money in exchange for her dropping appeal. We all have had enough.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been reading about BPD and it seems this condition is very hard to treat. Many therapists will refuse to work with Personality sufferers. And I read that 70% of BPD sufferers attempt suicide, with 10% being successful. Amber is a very sick woman with a terrible disorder that must be very painful for her. She will continue to struggle to keep people in her life because her condition is just so harmful and off-putting to everyone around her.

I don’t disagree with the verdict of the trial. It is right that Johnny won, I think.

But now the issue becomes how we treat people who are mentally ill. She’s lost in court. OK. But now what? She’s at high risk for self-harm, and she’s clearly miserable and alone, with a baby. I wish that now, post-trial, people could be compassionate and hope that she gets the therapy and support she needs.

I don’t want her to hurt herself and I want her to be able to function as a mother to her baby. So I hope Johnny doesn’t push for the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually agree with that outcome until Elaine made her rounds with the talk show circuit screaming unfair trial, how her client is the real victim, how this is a loss for women's rights, and their plan to appeal the verdict. They are doubling down criticizing the judge, jurors, social media while never admitting their own mistakes and AH's issues with credibility. How can JD move on if AH's team is still attacking him? I think JD's monetary award is the best way to keep her from causing more troubles. Maybe they can broker a deal where she has to move on (no appeal) if he doesn't seek to collect the debt?

I think this is exactly her plan. To get a settlement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been reading about BPD and it seems this condition is very hard to treat. Many therapists will refuse to work with Personality sufferers. And I read that 70% of BPD sufferers attempt suicide, with 10% being successful. Amber is a very sick woman with a terrible disorder that must be very painful for her. She will continue to struggle to keep people in her life because her condition is just so harmful and off-putting to everyone around her.

I don’t disagree with the verdict of the trial. It is right that Johnny won, I think.

But now the issue becomes how we treat people who are mentally ill. She’s lost in court. OK. But now what? She’s at high risk for self-harm, and she’s clearly miserable and alone, with a baby. I wish that now, post-trial, people could be compassionate and hope that she gets the therapy and support she needs.

I don’t want her to hurt herself and I want her to be able to function as a mother to her baby. So I hope Johnny doesn’t push for the money.

This. Especially since people suffering from BPD are unlikely to seek out or continue therapy for it long term, I think her life going forward is going to be very difficult. I hope her daughter does okay.